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British Police Censor the Global Internet

judgecorp writes "A branch of the City of London police seems to be censoring suspected pirates worldwide, using threats. The Police Intellectual Proerty Crime Unit (PIPCU), acts on tip-offs from copyright owners to attempt to close down websites accused of piracy. the process involves cease-and-desist letters, followed by pressure on advertisers not to fund the site, and finally PIPCU uses threats to the domain registrar (not the ISP), all without any sort of court order."

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  1. Corrupt City of London by benjfowler · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fun fact: the City of London (as opposed to Greater London and its boroughs outside the square mile) is a dictatorship with a mayor annually appointed by the businesses that operate in the City of London.

    Smacks of fascism? Yes. They pride themselves as "business friendly", and never met a plutocrat they didn't like. The City of London police is basically a militia for the rich and powerful. They are also in cahoots with Scientology -- some senior officers are Scientologists, and the City of London Police have been known to do their dirty work for them, as previously reported on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Corrupt City of London by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      cops are, by modern definition, thugs for the rich and powerful.

      see pete seeger's 'banks of marble' song:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-o3CJytIPE

      the more things change, the more they stay the same. not much has changed and this seems to be a universal theme with cops world-wide.

      think about who they really work for. when push comes to shove, its not you or I, that are their masters.

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    2. Re:Corrupt City of London by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a ceremonial position and its entire purpose since its creation has been to promote businesses in the City of London. The Mayor has no political authority whatsoever.

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  2. Re:No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're the only with no facts. The City of London is not the same as London. The Mayor of the City of London is not the Mayor of London.

  3. Court order by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    all without any sort of court order."

    Have you recently read of anything done by anyone WITH a court order? I wonder if the courts still remember how to write one.

    The template must have been used for the last time with WordPerfect 4.2.

  4. UK by gramty · · Score: 5, Informative

    Civil rights have been under attack in Britain for a long time. Since Thatcher, continued enthusiastically by Blair/Brown and now Cameron's government we have seen a massive assault on traditional freedoms and protections. Judicial oversight, Freedom of speech, free assembly/protest, presumption of innocence, freedom from mass surveillance have all come under massive attack by various bills over the last 20 years. This is has been met with hardly a reaction from the general public, most people don't seem to think it affects them and this has emboldened governments and institutions to act in a more and more authoritarian manner, working under the strong belief that they are doing what the public want for their own good. I fear by the time people start to react, we will be so far down the road; it will take something close to a revolution to change. We are not big on revolutions on Britain.

    1. Re:UK by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Civil rights have been under attack in Britain for a long time.

      And Britain is welcome to fuck with their own civil rights.

      When they start feeling like they have the authority and jurisdiction to affect the broader global internet, that's the point at which people need to start referring them to Arvell v Pressdram and reminding them of where exactly their legal authority ends.

      And the City of London has legal authority for an exceedingly small area, and precisely ZERO international authority.

      Anybody being bullied into doing this is an idiot.

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    2. Re:UK by gramty · · Score: 2

      I agree with you. However around the world the actions the NSA and GCHQ (and many others) has resulted in a microscopic reaction from the general public.
      This has led many in power in power to believe that that can do what they damn well please, and the threat that the powers that be are against you is sufficient to scare people into submission because they don't believe the law really protects individuals any more.

    3. Re:UK by mlts · · Score: 2

      The problem is that demanding censorship will make it harder for police globally to do work.

      Right now, a lot of people are still going about their business directly from their IP to sites. Using an encrypted, offshore VPN is a matter of a few mouse clicks, or a couple taps on a smartphone or tablet. Once people start doing this as a matter of habit, then all goes dark.

      The next step would be to block/censor/throttle VPNs, but because legitimate businesses use VPNs for secure remote communications, they will gripe, and a business that gripes is heard loud and clear compared to easily ignored individuals.

    4. Re:UK by gramty · · Score: 2

      And the City of London has legal authority for an exceedingly small area, and precisely ZERO international authority.

      Technically true, but as I mentioned in another post, the City of London police are one of the major authorities behind international money laundering laws. They put on an am AML database and any financial institution in the western world, because these lists are shared internationally, with find it very risky to do business with a listed entitity.I imagine this is the primary threat they use

      There is almost no way to get yourself off such a list, other than to convince the authority that put you and your associates on it, that you are innocent.

  5. Re:I will point out... by fredrated · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can you explain why this paleolithic institution is allowed to survive? Are the British people daft?

  6. Jurisdiction? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Do these people not realize they have zero jurisdiction outside of their own country?

    If a police department in a foreign country is trying to exert pressure on you, the response is to tell them to go fuck themselves and come back when they have legal standing.

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    1. Re:Jurisdiction? by gramty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In today's world jurisdiction and legal authority are nice to haves.
      You don't need to even accuse someone of something, just put them on a database, no-fly list, person of interest register, financial blacklists, etc. Threats from authorities do have weight even if there is no law backuping them up, it's disgusting.

      Sure you can probably win in court, but not before massive financial expense and being fucked with for a few decades.

  7. Re:No... by dominux · · Score: 4, Informative

    the City of London is a square mile business district, the Lord Mayor is the head of the City of London Corporation, and is Fiona Woolf at the moment. Boris is the Mayor of London - that is Greater London, and what Americans think of as London, not the City of London Corporation. It is actually the Livery Companies (like the Worshipful Company of Information Technologists) that elect the Lord Mayor. It is weirder than you think.

  8. Re:I will point out... by barlevg · · Score: 5, Informative

    IIRC the British monarchy brings in more revenue than it costs. Those most critical of the monarchy put the annual cost of maintaining it at 400 million GBP (more conservative figures peg that as much lower), but the royal family generates 500 million GBP / year in tourism revenue. I'm sure one can poke holes in this argument, but based on these two figures alone, it sounds like the monarchy is worth it.

    Citation

  9. So all crime in GB..... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is now gone? no killings no robberies, All real crime has been taken care of so they have to move to IP enforcement?

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  10. Re:I will point out... by Alioth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of us would rather have the Queen as head of state than any recent prime minister.

  11. Re:No... by BlueLightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want it all summarised (very) nicely, checkout these videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ROpIKZe-c

  12. Re:The correct response by all companies by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

    or to be blunt "We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram"

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  13. Re:Which is ironic by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Actually, no. The CoLP are very heavily influenced by corporate pressures, but not those ones. They work for a number of British corporations, most of them financial.

    So this action is at the behest of the British record and film companies. There is some overlap, with a lot of them being multinational.

  14. Re:I will point out... by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

    IIRC the British monarchy brings in more revenue than it costs. Those most critical of the monarchy put the annual cost of maintaining it at 400 million GBP (more conservative figures peg that as much lower), but the royal family generates 500 million GBP / year in tourism revenue. I'm sure one can poke holes in this argument, but based on these two figures alone, it sounds like the monarchy is worth it.

    Citation

    The Royal Family certainly doesn't generate £500M/year. The top place given following the reference on your link is the Tower of London, which no longer has anything to do with the Royal Family, except they "own" it.

    Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle would bring in much more money if the Queen would fuck off. They could be permanently opened as museums.

    http://republic.org.uk/What%20we%20want/In%20depth/Royal%20finances/index.php

  15. Re:Actually no by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Informative

    Boris Johnson, Mayor of the Greater London Authority is in charge of the Metropolitan Police. He is elected by the people who live in the Greater London Area, a region of England with a population of around 8 million people comprising two cities, London and Westminster, and 31 boroughs such as Camden, Southwark, Croydon and so on.

    Fiona Woolf is Lord Mayor of the City of London. The smallest city in England with a population of around 10,000 people. She is in charge of the City of London Police, and is elected by the businesses that are based in the City of London.

  16. Re:I will point out... by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can you explain why this paleolithic institution is allowed to survive? Are the British people daft?

    For the same reason /. keeps recycling old news. This tempest in a teapot has already been beaten to death here, months ago I think. At least the original date of the blog from easyDNS is dated back in September.

    The summary is: the City of London police cover a small area in London, dealing often with IP and financial issues. They asked a DNS provider to look over their AUP concerning a certain website to see if action was appropriate. They asked the DNS provider, if they thought an AUP issue merited action, to please do certain things that would protect the ability to bring the matter to justice in a court (freeze DNS records to prove ownership, etc.) They left the decision up to the DNS provider. They then dared to ask the DNS provider to respond either way.

    This is, of course, on /., an attempt at censoring the global internet. Just as I've attempted to censor the global internet by reporting spam factories to their DNS hosts/ISP to deal with.

    Must be a slow news day.

  17. Re:But in reality by meerling · · Score: 2

    I've lived in the UK for a few years. I also looked up some of the legal issues regarding the monarchy, and watched it in action. The way it currently stands, they have very little actual power beyond that of any other obscenely rich person. On the other hand, they have a lot of influence. So they may not be able to wield the law like a scythe, but there words can and do make things happen. Then again, I've seen the queen try to quell stupidity in the houses, and though they quietly listened, it didn't do a damn bit of good.

    The British monarchy is a figurehead.

  18. Re:I will point out... by Minwee · · Score: 2

    In the UK, the Royal Family keeps at least three different newspapers alive and is responsible for at least 60% of the content in most popular magazines.

    It's not easy being the stars and writers of the world's most popular soap opera.

  19. Re:Actually by meerling · · Score: 3, Funny

    Trying to compare the Kardashians to the British Royal Family is like trying to compare dog poop to ambergris.

  20. Re:I will point out... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, the homoeopathic nutter also generates wealth through the sale of chutney and biscuits. Granted, that's through the Duchy of Cornwall, which is land essentially stolen from the public through the outdated and unfair law that says if you die in Cornwall without a will, ol' big ears gets everything....

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  21. Re:I will point out... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

    Yes, but the Crown Jewels would still exist as a relic if the monarchy was disbanded.

    In fact, the Crown Jewels are one of the monarchies biggest costs historically. They are owned by the realm, not the Crown Estates, and every monarch or two the realm (ie taxpayer) has had to pay to have them replaced, cos the previous king or queen has decided to flog them off to pay a gambling, drink or drug habit. This is technically theft, but no-one's ever prosecuted the royal household for their incredibly huge criminal acts. (To be fair, it would be difficult as it's never been found out until it's time to crown the successor, so the guy who did it was usually dead by then.)

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  22. Re:You get how English works right? by macbeth66 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anonymous Coward, are you new to Slashdot ?

    Nah. He's been saying stupid things since slashdot first opened its doors for business.