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Nokia Takeover In Jeopardy Due To Alleged $3.4B Tax Bill In India

New submitter Snotboble_ writes "The government of India apparently thinks Nokia owes a lot of taxes. They originally told Nokia that the company owed around $340 million, but now reports suggest it could be an order of magnitude higher. Such a large liability would have consequences for Nokia's sale of its handset division to Microsoft. From the article: 'Nokia Corp.'s tax troubles in India worsened Tuesday as local authorities ratcheted up the amount of tax they say the Finnish company may owe to more than $3 billion. Nokia's battle to defend itself from the claims—one of the latest surprise tax bills slapped on big foreign companies in India—could affect its plans to sell its handset division to Microsoft Corp. as the phone company's factory in India is part of the $7 billion deal.'"

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  1. corruption by BurgEnder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    nothing like a good 'ol shakedown by a government's tax authority

    1. Re:corruption by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not racist. The Indian government is pathetically corrupt. It's truly awful, and goes from the very bottom (police, petty local officials) right to the top. Finland, on the other hand, is one of the least corrupt countries in the world.

      I know nothing about this case, but I'm going to trust the Finns on this one until proven otherwise.

      (Disclosure: I'm a half-Indian who's lived in Finland and done a lot of work with Nokia. I also have business interests in India.)

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  2. Finally by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alas! The first mathematically perfect use of "an order of magnitude". Well done sir, well done.

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    1. Re:Finally by Dynedain · · Score: 5, Funny

      poetic irony (n.) Using the phrase "Alas!" instead of "At last!" in a pedantic celebration of correctness.

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  3. "Shakedown" looks very promising by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... it seems a lot more like a shakedown ...

    My company used to have 4 offices in India. Now we have only one.

    Why ?

    It's not that we don't like to do business with the Indians, it's the government that we can't deal with.

    They are worse than the Mafioso.

    They can turn the rules around overnight and demand the ransom, and they can do it in a totally legal manner.

    The longer the Indian government behaving like this the worse their reputation gonna be - and the less the multinationals will be willing to invest in India.

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  4. Standard Operating Procedure for India. by lemur666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked at a large multinational that was slated to be acquired by a larger multinational.

    Then, mid-way through the process came the "Oh no! India wants billions in 'back taxes' due to the sale!"

    The solution was that rather than merging the two companies (triggering the giant tax bill), the Indian Development Center was kept as the last remnant of the old multinational and was now considered a "wholly owned subsidiary" of the buying multinational. Apparently the lack of a formal merger of just the portion of the company based out of India negated the tax bill somehow.

    So

    a) This is nothing more than the standard shakedown the government of India does whenever there's a merger of giants like this.
    b) It can also be avoided by some rather facile legal trickery.

    It strikes me as foolish both to make such huge claims of taxes owed when a merger like this occurs and to make those taxes so easy to avoid.

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  5. Re:what's the basis for the dispute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been following this pretty closely, since I have a large position in NOK stock which I initiated about the time this news started percolating. You can get most of the story via following the links in the comment sections at seeking alpha (search for "nok", then look in news and alerts). This is not new, and has been going on for over a year, and is complete BS. NOK was in compliance with the laws when the work was done, then India changed the tax laws (and made the changes retroactive), and now expect NOK to pay. NOK is a trial balloon, and if they get away with it, there will be many other western corporations hit by this same 3rd-world silliness. A large oil company was also shaken down in a similar manner (forgot which); they settled for much less than $3.4B.

    Even if India somehow wins here, I don't believe this won't affect NOK or MSFT at all. If this goes through, and NOK have to pay these taxes in India, which is highly unlikely, then they'll file an amendment on taxes they have paid to Finland for the amount they have to pay to India. The end result if India wins will be a massive loss in western investment for India, significant misery for the Indian people affected by the Western pullout, and a miniscule amount of additional tax revenue.

  6. Obvious solution: Audit Software licenses. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just take a survey of all Indian government software licenses. Given the expense and the insanity involved in tracking MS licenses, I'm sure that they could be found to owe at least 3.4 Billion in Licensing and penalty costs.

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  7. Re:Shades of the Vodafone case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    by your links it is not the same at all. The Vodafone case had the government contending that even though the sale occurred between 2 foreign entities. the asset was Indian therefore liable to tax in India. The Government lost the case but changed the law retroactively to apply for all transactions including the vodafone one. While this is bad for business it is legally sound. Every government makes laws that apply retroactively including the U.S. government.

    In the Nokia case, the company routed all the profits out of India as "royalty payments" and did not pay tax on them over a period of seven years. In addition they are claiming Tax free status (due to their being part of Special Economic Zone) that claim is also not valid.

    Not all $3.4B is tax, significant portion of it is penalties for offending over 7 years. Basically they tried legal trickery to maintain their cash flows when things are going bad business wise and now trying to dump it on MSFT.

    Indian Government is actually doing good here, if they allow the sale to go forward then MSFT becomes liable, Like it happened in the vodafone case, instead they are ensuring NOK clears the dues, so MSFT is not in for any nasty surprises.