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NSA Uses Google Cookies To Pinpoint Targets For Hacking

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "For years, privacy advocates have raised concerns about the use of commercial tracking tools to identify and target consumers with advertisements. The online ad industry has said its practices are innocuous and benefit consumers by serving them ads that are more likely to be of interest to them. Now the Washington Post reports that the NSA secretly piggybacks on the tools that enable Internet advertisers to track consumers, using 'cookies' and location data to pinpoint targets for government hacking and to bolster surveillance. The agency uses a part of a Google-specific tracking mechanism known as the 'PREF' cookie to single out an individual's communications among the sea of Internet data in order to send out software that can hack that person's computer. 'On a macro level, "we need to track everyone everywhere for advertising" translates into "the government being able to track everyone everywhere,"' says Chris Hoofnagle. 'It's hard to avoid.' Documents reviewed by the Post indicate cookie information is among the data NSA can obtain with a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act order. Google declined to comment for the article, but chief executive Larry Page joined the leaders of other technology companies earlier this week in calling for an end to bulk collection of user data and for new limits on court-approved surveillance requests."

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  1. Now 2 good reasons not to allow cookie tracking by mrspoonsi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The EU is right on this one...

    1. Re:Now 2 good reasons not to allow cookie tracking by erikkemperman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The EU is right on this one...

      I'm not so sure about that. I am afraid this is one of those deals where the compromise (require the user be presented with an opt-out) turns out to be worse than either of the proposed "pure" alternatives (do not regulate tracking at all, vs disallow all tracking, period).

      Because what happens is a site says: either allow my cookies or I will not, or not fully, serve you. And because the average user is basically an idiot -- as is true for any large group of people, and in many instances of course it includes myself -- they go for it.

      Tracking not reduced for all a but a tiny minority of paranoids and actual baddies, and the ad companies can now say they do it with user's consent.

      This PREF cookie is an especially nasty piece of work, seeing how it rides on the very Safe Browsing system that Google "generously" facilitates to protect against online malware. Check the link in TFS.

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    2. Re:Now 2 good reasons not to allow cookie tracking by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The most sensible solution is to allow only sessions cookies. I know everyone loves their "keep me logged in button" but simple solution is to have browsers silently convert all cookie requests to session cookies no matter what the server or script asks for.

      This should do be the default, as it breaks very few sites and existing web applications other than you have to logon every time. Users should have to manually go white list domains that are allowed persistent storage.

      Browsers need to stop providing useragents, they need to start sending strings like
      "traditional HTML 5.0 ready browser" or "touchscreen HTML 5.0 browser" instead.

      The default behavior should be to only send a referer header when the request is to a page on the same domain as the one already being displayed.

      As much as I hate to advocate it because its a waste of everyone's network resources, the same approach needs to be applied to document caching. There are to many possibilities for script based timing analysis attacks and server side request analysis that will enable tracking with the cache enabled.

      Implement those changes and you will an WWW that still mostly works without alot of changes to existing sites but is decidedly less trackable.

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  2. Oh I love how they pander... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A CEO of one of the most successful US Corporations in the entire world wants to put an end to data gathering, and doesn't somehow fucking get that their company exists only because they are in the business of data gathering.

    Oh, I love how they pander to us while continuing to shake hands with the devil. You act like they're going to turn away one of their largest customers.

    Don't get me wrong, businesses like Google almost have to take this stance "against" the enemy of the People, else they risk losing other portions of their customer base. I simply don't like being lied to by them any more than I like being lied to by my own government.

    In the end, nothing will change. Nothing. The US government won't allow it. You're a fool to think otherwise.

  3. Funny that Google complains by yacc143 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, the collection of privacy relevant information by private companies like Google is way more scary than what a government fools around with.

    And don't come, it's voluntary. It's anything but, considering how many sites include elements from Google/Facebook/... (e.g. ads or like buttons), and they DO track you even if you are not a registered user. And the end user tools to customize browser behavior (to suppress unwanted elements of a webpage) are mostly non-available on mobile platforms

    Worse, as is the "fundamental law" of privacy & data collection, any data collected will be abused. (Classical example, when the truck toll system in Germany was introduced, it was only allowed by the data privacy commissioner because it's absolutely illegal to use the data for anything but tolling. Couple years later, new government, and immediately "let's use the toll data for law enforcement" is a nice idea in the back rooms.)

    So Google might be collecting "anonymous" data about person X, not knowing who X is, but that does not mean that the identity of X cannot be revealed later on, or be known by a third party.

    Worse, anonymizing data (removing the parts that identify the user and potentially replacing them by a random id) is way harder, e.g. an interested adversary can usually reconstruct the identities, sometimes even trivially.

  4. Idea: Build the biggest choke point possible. by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've said it once, and I'll say it again: We gave you a decentralized network capable of self-healing in the face of thermonuclear war -- Packets routed around cities moments after they've vanished. Then you took the Internet, and built centralized data silos with it like fools. There is no such thing as a client and server, there are only peers that wear those hats. From here you look silly with them glued firmly in place.

    There's no reason not to have your own recommendation engine in your own home. There's no reason to send personal messages and pictures to a third party just so your friends and family can see them too. As I've said: You will decentralize services, or the web will die by the folly. It may yet be too late. It would be wise to plan on a re-beginning.

    Repent. The end is incredibly fucking nigh!

  5. Self destruct cookie by pmontra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This firefox plugin deletes the PREF cookie and all the others as soon as you close a tab. This means that it's created again every time with a different value.

    I went to youtube and got this (I must split the values with spaces because /. complaints about long strings of letters)
    google.com PREF ID=b59d89f696da3efa:FF=0: TM=1386759139:LM=1386759139:S=mRC2qiDMZ3ir_5JK
    google.com NID 67=c1dV2B25sq3P2XdfPrBzGx9yb89H089A9yORn8UeoYGlGbjOUIbHPs03t_7JesDo_7NcnT UlDm90BZEpoSPX9A7FmbYORqBl5WwLmUiCzjreycq2wGE1rAMOSuXlFaZg

    I closed the tab, waited for the cookie destruction message, went to google.com:
    google.com PREF ID=024924c1c44d8beb:U=9b9ed7f900bfc1f0:FF=0: TM=1386758246:LM=1386759139:S=GCtQO6AoyqL-fqze
    google.com NID 67=lPuV792TXm6MLVCnzVYUN-U2Q7B-XRd1d5xCYp7DXjvXvKzEjxtn99DTIbvaFFIg9a8uk2 AmkokD1TaYRnXL3iNA9SrPc1hj3611xY66gObS6pCY4jTTMeQpF6YHLJnn

    Different. Well, mostly different. That LM=1386759139 in both PREF worries me. I should understand what it is for.

    1. Re:Self destruct cookie by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you plug the number into a unix timestamp to GMT converter, it returns Wed, 11 Dec 2013 10:52:19 GMT, so it looks like it is a time stamp, probably LastModified or something.

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  6. Keywords: Tracking can NOT be eliminated by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... Tracking not reduced for all a but a tiny minority of paranoids and actual baddies ...

    We do need to understand this --- tracking can NOT be totally eliminated.

    Cookie tracking is but one of the various ways they use to track us. The report @ http://truththeory.com/2013/12/10/how-to-see-what-government-agency-is-spying-on-your-phone/ tells us about another way (they hack the prepaid phones and track the unique IPs).

    No matter if you are an idiot or a tin-foil hatter, you gotta understand that there is only so much you can do.

    The world we live in a FREE WORLD for the Big Brothers (commercial or otherwise) to do whatever they want with us.

    Even if you only use cash / bitcoin to do purchases, they _still_ can find ways to "understand" you.

    I may sound like a defeatist, I may sound as if I have given up. I am not.

    I am a realist, though.

    No matter what step (or steps) I take to minimize my exposure, they know who I am, where I am, with whom I am, my favorite watering hole, the usual kind of food I take, my regular schedule, and so on...

    In one of my previous posts (some moons ago) I mentioned that we need to keep alert 24/7, and someone replied that if I keep on doing that I'm going to go bonker.

    Perhaps I have already gone bonker, but then, that's what Big Brothers want anyway.

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