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Sci-fi Author Charles Stross Cancels Trilogy: the NSA Is Already Doing It

doom writes "Charles Stross has announced that there won't be a third book in the Halting State trilogy because reality (in a manner of speaking) has caught up to him too fast The last straw was apparently the news that the NSA planted spies in networked games like WoW. Stross comments: 'At this point, I'm clutching my head. Halting State wasn't intended to be predictive when I started writing it in 2006. Trouble is, about the only parts that haven't happened yet are Scottish Independence and the use of actual quantum computers for cracking public key encryption (and there's a big fat question mark over the latter-- what else are the NSA up to?).'"

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  1. Scottish Independance by LaminatorX · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Scotts are to have a referendum on independance next year, as far as that goes.

    1. Re:Scottish Independance by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Scotts are to have a referendum on independance next year, as far as that goes.

      With Madrid shaking its angry little fist at Scotland, saying the can't be admitted to the EU (which is an indirect way to dissuade Catalonia from pursuing independence as well.)

      Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    2. Re:Scottish Independance by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      ... and I've got my immigration application signed and ready to send out*, just in case the independence movement actually succeeds :)

      *Emigrating to Scotland, not from.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    3. Re:Scottish Independance by meerling · · Score: 2

      Please stop looking for insults where none exist.

    4. Re:Scottish Independance by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, if Europe doesn't want Scotland. We could use a 51st state. Especially one with such great scotch.

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      Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
    5. Re:Scottish Independance by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      and there's a big fat question mark over the latter

      those of us who are plus-sized more to love find that discription offensive

      Lighten up, Francis. There's just more to love about the question mark.

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      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    6. Re:Scottish Independance by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but what would we do for the 52nd and 53rd states? We need 53, after all, the US is "One nation, indivisible."

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      Not a sentence!
    7. Re:Scottish Independance by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... and I've got my immigration application signed and ready to send out*, just in case the independence movement actually succeeds :)

      *Emigrating to Scotland, not from.

      Sorry, but there can be only one Highlander.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    8. Re: Scottish Independance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you never get insulted - just get married. Solved that problem for me.

    9. Re:Scottish Independance by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I'm fat, clean, and Mexican. I have a big fat question mark about the phrase spic and span.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    10. Re:Scottish Independance by jalopezp · · Score: 2

      What happened to question 35c and to calling it fitba'?

  2. Scotland by Threni · · Score: 4, Funny

    Still, us English folk can only hope that a future which consists of the Scots living quietly amongst themselves and us not having to put up with that awful dirge Auld Lang Syne every bloody New Year's Eve isn't the stuff of science fiction...

  3. Probably writer's block by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's probably just writer's block. Intelligence agency interest in on-line games was in the news back around 2006-2008, just like the warrantless wiretapping controversy. If he was going to abandon it for the stated reason I would expect he would have done it then. Besides, this sort of thing hasn't really stopped other writers from creating interesting stories.

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    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    1. Re:Probably writer's block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      With Bush, it was still Science Fiction. With Obama, it has become Science Fact.

  4. See what you have done, NSA ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear NSA,

    You not only cost us our privacy, the privacy that we treasure so much.

    Now you cost us a good book !

    What else are you going to cost us, NSA ??

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    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:See what you have done, NSA ? by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Mr. Stross,

      It is with great regret that we have learned of the discontinuation of your how-to manual, Halting State.

      We have unfortunately not been able to encourage Scotland to secede from the United Kingdom in a timely manner, however, we assure you that our state of Quantum Computing has reached appropriate levels.

      We have been eagerly awaiting your third instalment. Considering your decision to discontinue your series, we would appreciate any notes you have to be emailed. Anywhere will be fine.

      Yours sincerely,

      Manne I. Black
      NSA

      --
      Science advances one funeral at a time- Max Planck
    2. Re:See what you have done, NSA ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With this sentence you've given away the fake.

      C'mon that sentence with its postcedent: "Anywhere will be fine" is the payload.

      Email it anywhere ... too good!

    3. Re:See what you have done, NSA ? by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear Batman,

                Since I don't believe in Santa Claus, could you take a break from patrolling Gotham to dismantle the evil NSA and put those responsible for it in Arkham Asylum?
      I'm convinced the Penguin is behind it, due to the scope, peril and nuisance involved. Lotta tuxedos in the D.C. and burbs area. The proliferation of clowns in the White House/Capitol Hill/Lincoln Memorial areas would suggest that the Joker has been masquerading as President for years now. Could you rid us of these fiends and their henchmen?

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      *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
  5. Pick your favourite outcome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would we rather see...

    - A Neal Stephenson world
    - A George Orwell world
    - A Cory Doctorow world
    - A Aldous Huxley world
    - Name your world...

    1. Re:Pick your favourite outcome! by cusco · · Score: 2

      CJ Cherryh's Foreigner world

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
    2. Re:Pick your favourite outcome! by jimshatt · · Score: 2

      A Ron Jeremy world!

    3. Re:Pick your favourite outcome! by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Anne McCaffrey.

      I'd happily live on Pern, Thread and all.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    4. Re:Pick your favourite outcome! by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So...
      Corporocracy
      Totalitarian states in constant war
      A post-scarcity utopia that hinges on karma
      A utopia where the people are bribed into apathy/foolishness

      I'd go with Doctorow.

    5. Re:Pick your favourite outcome! by Esteanil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Definitively a Iain M. Banks world (The Culture)

      --
      I'm a dreamer, the world is my playpen. But hey, I'm a serious person, I can't dream all the time.
    6. Re:Pick your favourite outcome! by dbIII · · Score: 2

      I'll vote for a "Letters to Playboy" world.

  6. Maybe his novel wasn't so novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of fiction looks dated when current events or technology surpass what was supposed to be a look at the future. This time it caught up with this novelist before he even finished his story. Some are suggesting it caught up with him before he finished the previous piece of it.

    Such is the life of a novelist. Next time be more novel.

    1. Re:Maybe his novel wasn't so novel by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good SF is a period piece set in the future. OK SF is about discovering some revolutionary new wonder. TV/Movie "skiffy" is about explosions and effects and depictions of new technology - ick.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    2. Re:Maybe his novel wasn't so novel by psithurism · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean the only thing that made it worth while was the ancilary descriptions of technology?

      These descriptions, to nerds, are like titty-shots in movies are to high school boys. Sure, maybe we go through the whole plot once once or twice, but what we really got the book for was to reread the technical, oh so technical, descriptions, and boners, err...uh, bonus for equations that we can work into simulations.

      plot development

      Also known as filler-between-technical-descriptions. I doubt anyone is ever entertained by that alone.

      interpersonal relationships

      I tried to Google this; still not sure what you're talking about here, but it sounds boring too.

    3. Re:Maybe his novel wasn't so novel by psithurism · · Score: 2

      That reply is actually especially relevant to this discussion. I don't like Stross's writing much; the characters aren't very interesting and his plot twists aren't handled well, but I keep reading his works for the all the mathematically derived apocalypses and computer generated magic.

  7. Advice to Charles Stross by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 3, Funny

    Be quick and write that book where a large government structure, say like the Bastille,
    is being stormed by citizens, and the Repulbic of the truly Free can finally be established

  8. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not just books. There I was, happily watching Person Of Interest, and then it turns out the premise behind a Sci-Fi show is true.

    I don't know how many bottles of scotch the writers must have got through before they managed to start writing Season 3, but I'm guessing it came by the crate.

  9. It was not predictive by Trogre · · Score: 2

    The NSA has been heavily monitoring Internet traffic since the 90s, and no one seemed to mind.

    Perhaps it was predictive in the sense of people suddenly becoming outraged about it now.

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    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    1. Re:It was not predictive by Trogre · · Score: 2

      Indeed, that is true. Though I was referring more to the fact that while he was writing those books, the surveillance was already widely known to be happening in his present, not the future, and had been for some time.

      It would be a bit like writing a science fiction novel today that involved a global social network or semi-robotic car assembly lines.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    2. Re:It was not predictive by HiThere · · Score: 3

      It wasn't public knowledge. Everyone who believed it was considered paranoid, at least during the 1960's-70's. Maybe they were. (If you think you know when they really started listening to everyone, I think you're over estimating certainty.)

      P.S.: Surveillance was not the point of the Stross books. It was background, Just like Scottish independence. In Halting State the big surprise was supposed to be a bank robbery inside a virtual game. Shortly after it was published, it happened in Eve-online. The police (and others) were wearing something considerably like google glass. (Actually, I think they looked more like a pair of heavy sunglasses, but I'd need to reread to be sure.) There were virtual overlays on reality published by advertisers, game players, etc. The wierd thing is those have started happening while almost nobody is wearing a VR headset. Spooks, a VR mixed with reality game, was a major subplot. So my brother-in-law walks in with a game called ghosts played on his phone, where he's supposed to chase around after a ghost that can only be seen on his phone, but where the chasing happens in physical space. (That's not Spooks, by any means. For one thing the ghost tried to get him to chase it in front of a car driving down the street. Spooks had more awareness of the actual surroundings.)

      Or, another sub-plot involved remotely driven taxis. But Google has nearly gotten fully automated vehicles working.

      Basicly, the world that developed made a lot of choices that weren't the same, and the stuff that was supposed to be new and exciting kept happening before most people bought the book. Near future SF used to be easier. Unexpected changes were slower in arriving. They ALWAYS arrived out of order, and with some choices not the same, but usually you had several years leeway (so most of your sales could happen before the book was obsolete).

      So now he's discontinued the series. And he's going to wait until the votes for Scottish independence and Britain remaining in the EU are in before he tries any more near future books. Quite reasonable. (Snarl! I don't care if the series didn't match this universe, I wanted the next volume.)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  10. We are already fucked ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    You're fucked!

    We are already fucked no matter how you look at it.

    The technology that we have (and the more advanced versions of technology that the BIG BROTHERS get to play with) today already enables 24/7/365 tracking - and the way we laid out our "rules and regulation" we have already submitted EVERYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO US (our name, our address, our car registration number, our HAM radio identification, our spouse' identity, the identity of our children, our education, the subjects that we took in the schools, and so on) to the authority (aka BIG BROTHERS).

    They know us better than we know ourselves.

    They know us so well that they can actually predict what we most probably going to do and/or going to be next week/month/year, while most of us do not even know what we are going to do next weekend.

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    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  11. A scary thought. by Molt · · Score: 4, Funny

    It could be worse, The Laundry could be becoming reality.

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  12. New direction for his creativity by namgge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps Mr Stross could use his skills to to describe an imaginary world where the government told the whole truth to the electorate, there was a right to privacy, and only politicians were systematically spied on and investigated...

    It sure would be interesting to know what that would be like.

  13. Re:Given that Mr. Stross' books come true... by Artifakt · · Score: 2

    In a word, NO. Stross wrote three books that are formally Singularity/Post Singularity novels, and I guarentee you he absolutely cannot write a nice utopic singularity (although Accelerando has a happy ending for some lobster dataclones, and some individual people in the Iron Sunrise duology make it through all the horrible things happening and have nice enough individual lives, a Strossian Singularity inevitiably includes mass extinctions.). His current series include one with a possible future singularity-like event looming over the protagonists, as directed by Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep, and a "fun with cultural misunderstandings of various robots, settling down after they have already killed off their human masters" series. Read his short novella, "Missle Gap", or "A Colder War", and THEN ask youself if he could write a story where where everything changes but nothing horrible happens to anyone. You could offer him income like J. K. Rowling's to do it, it's the one thing he just couldn't do.

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    Who is John Cabal?
  14. Another Example Fiction = Reality: TobakkoNacht by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I sympathize with Charles Stross's problem. When I wrote "TobakkoNacht" in 1997, it was based on a prediction that by the mid 2020s we'd be seeing the introduction of smoking bans outdoors in public plazas (which NY's Bloomberg brought in three years ago and has been emulated in California and elsewhere), smoking bans in brothels to protect the "working girls" (old news now in Canada), people being shot in smoking disputes (numbers of them by now, including two pregnant women, as well as country singer Wayne Mills last week), a worldwide antitobacco treaty (similar to the 2000s' "World Framework On Tobacco Control" that is now threatening countries that refuse to abide by its dictates) and a president having to hide his evil smoking habit. The problem was that aside from a preliminary Kindle short story version in late 2008, I didn't get to fully publish it until a few months ago as an opening fiction-piece in "TobakkoNacht -- The Antismoking Endgame." When I originally wrote the story I was criticized for supposing that any such things could come about as early as the 2020s ... or *ever* come about at all.

    NOT "anonymous coward" here:
    Michael J. McFadden
    Author of "TobakkoNacht -- The Antismoking Endgame"

  15. "The present is becoming the future.. by blahblahwoofwoof · · Score: 2

    ..faster than it is becoming the past."

    (That may be a paraphrase of a quote in the last year or so from a lady whose name I can't recall. Nor can I find the original text where it appeared. But it has stuck with me just the same. My apologies to the original author.)