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Theo De Raadt Says FreeBSD Is Just Catching Up On Security

An anonymous reader writes "The OpenBSD project has no reason to follow the steps taken by FreeBSD with regard to hardware-based cryptography because it has already been doing this for a decade, according to Theo de Raadt. 'FreeBSD has caught up to what OpenBSD has been doing for over 10 years,' the OpenBSD founder told iTWire. 'I see nothing new in their changes. Basically, it is 10 years of FreeBSD stupidity. They don't know a thing about security. They even ignore relevant research in all fields, not just from us, but from everyone.'"

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  1. Now, if... by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...only OpenBSD would catch up in every OTHER category...

    1. Re:Now, if... by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...only OpenBSD would catch up in every OTHER category...

      You can always port or build other software on OpenBSD.

      You can't really bring other operating systems up to OpenBSD security standards with just a compile or two.

      Make your pick: secure, or convenient.

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    2. Re:Now, if... by Arker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What method could possibly be more convenient, simple, and appropriate than opening the file with your text editor of choice and deleting the line?

      What do you expect? Some bulky "management interface" to hold your hand while you take 10 times as long as necessary to do the simple task of *removing an entry from a text file*? What is wrong with you?

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  2. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good old Theo De Raadt.

    Half human, half cunt.

    1. Re:Yeah by ArchieBunker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And usually right.

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  3. Quick Wiki Summary by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "De Raadt has been criticized for having a somewhat abrasive personality..."

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    1. Re:Quick Wiki Summary by chill · · Score: 5, Funny

      Note: That wiki summary was from the entry on "Understatement of the Year, 1996-2013 inclusive"

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    2. Re:Quick Wiki Summary by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Funny

      We just need a flame war between him and Linus. Nerdwar will never be the same

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    3. Re:Quick Wiki Summary by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've personally exchanged emails with De Raadt on the OpenBSD mailing list. Actually, he weighed in on a conversation which didn't initially involve him. He wa calm, helpful and polite and the discussion was a productive one.

      Why was this? I didn't start off by being extremely rude to him. Because I did my homework and found out as much as I reasonable could with my knowledge and skills. Expecting someone like that to hold my hand and do my homework for me for free no less is exceptionally rude. Somehow many people are too dumb and selfcentred to realise this.

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  4. Re:Framing the debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How is OpenBSD any different in that regard? They rewrote CVS (OpenCVS) for heaven's sake, so they didn't have to move to SVN, let alone Git.

    And Git's hashes are not for the sake of security. Linus made that abundantly clear when he refused to allow SHA-2 to be used, even after people were able to manufacture a Git collision using SHA-1.

    People misunderstand what makes OpenBSD secure. OpenBSD is about being conservative and simple. Lots of the things they do seem backwards or antiquated. In this case, XORing your random bit streams is as conservative as you can get. And when Theo talks about following the research, it's not to jump on fancy new technology, but in tracking the evolution of software and cryptographic exploits and trying to preemptively get out of those paths. That's opposite of Linux and FreeBSD, where they're constantly chasing new features, new optimizations, and new technologies.

  5. Re:Do these projects OpenBSD, FreeBSD matter anywa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A new 10x faster network stack is coming to Linux via FreeBSD, enjoy your 10gb routing speeds with a 1ghz cpu and in user mode, not kernel. Nginx, that's BSD, Varnish, that's BSD. Actually, most OS research is done on FreeBSD, then ported to Linux. Anecdotally, several large datacenters are claiming they're seeing a rise in BSD services and VMs and some major customers with millions invested, switching to BSD from Linux.

    One corp claimed to have over 10,000 VMs and paid RedHat for enterprise support for those VMs with a 5 year contract. They're still locked into contract, but they switched to FreeBSD because they can cut down their number of VMs by 30% and get the same performance. They also found it easier to manage FreeBSD. They're paying for that contract, but not using it. I bet that was a fun sell to management.

  6. Re:so letting the nsa hire someone by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...those NSA guys have tainted so much everywhere simply because it is their job description to decrypt sensitive communications for the intelligence community.

    To play devil's advocate for a second (and from someone who is as opposed to the NSA's spying as anyone), they job is also to prevent adversarial spying on us. That presumably applies much more to government functions than day-to-day ones, but if, say, the military or state department actually follows the NSA's suggestions, there's a decent chance that those suggestions are pretty close to as good as it gets.

  7. Re:Framing the debate by styrotech · · Score: 5, Informative

    - Theo is a complete asshole, but also quite correct about most things. OpenBSD is rather behind the times in general, but very good at what it does do. And their stance on BSD license and making BSD tools is great.

    Yeah the bit that struck me here was that Theo was relatively complimentary about Linux and Linux devs. eg mentioning Linux also did this stuff ages ago and that OpenBSD used some research from Ted Ts'o (and others) in their implementation.

    So the complaint wasn't about credit for who was first, just about how FreeBSD got a bunch of Snowden related media coverage for something practically everyone else did ages ago as if it was something new to worry about.

  8. Re:Not really by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pretty sure whoever wrote "House" was looking at Theo and thinking "You know... that fucker could make a great TV show character". Of course it was probably followed by "but screw that IT crap" but whatever.

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  9. Re:Not really by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's often "technically correct".

    You are aware that that is the best kind of correct, right?

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