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Police Pull Over More Drivers For DNA Tests
schwit1 sends this news from the Washington Times:
"Pennsylvania police this week were pulling people to the side of the road, quizzing them on their driving habits, and asking if they'd like to provide a cheek swap or a blood sample — the latest in a federally contracted operation that's touted as making roads safer. The same operation took place last month at a community in Texas. Then, drivers were randomly told to pull off the road into a parking lot, where white-coated researchers asked if they'd like to provide DNA samples for a project that determines what percentage of drivers are operating under the influence of drugs or alcohol at given times. With uniformed police in the background, the researchers also offered the motorists money — up to $50 or so — for the blood or saliva samples."
Am I being detained?
Am I free to go?
No, I do not consent to any search.
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What the **** does a DNA sample have to do with the percentage of drunk drivers?!?!?!?
to make sure everyone understands that it is voluntary.
Tons of people. People are taught to always listen to cops. Lately I'm more scared of the police than any criminal. Police can ruin your life and easily kill you without repercussions. Cops are trained to always maintain control of the situation no matter how minor or petty. That is why so many people are tazed, beaten, or outright murdered when they tell cops they are wrong or the cops are doing illegal things.
Obama administration is getting uglier by the day.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
... approved this study?
Pretty much all studies involving human subjects in the U.S. have to be approved by a review board for compliance with ethical and safety standards. This study is an obvious fail in multiple respects, and I can't imagine a reputable review board approving such a thing. And if it wasn't reviewed, the study participants^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H victims of the study probably have standing to sue.
The thing is, the people who have something to hide because they're drunk or stoned behind the wheel are exactly the same people who won't buy into it. So, the statistics gathering will be highly skewed. Researchers probably know this because it's obvious, and it's likely just a cover story.
They aren't the same people. I wouldn't buy into it, and I've never been stoned, and am almost a non-drinker. I would just find getting pulled over and being asked for a cheek swab to be a bizarre and highly intrusive request.
Right. Either the test is voluntary, and suffers from selection bias, or it is involuntary, and is draconian.
We only need to know one thing:
They abused their power and position in the community to forcibly detain motorists under false pretenses .
There is only ONE instance in which an officer can use a marked vehicle (never stop for unmarked ones) with their lights and/or sirens to pull a citizen over. The officer either witnessed a crime or has reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been committed.
Yes, using the lights and/or sirens is forcible detainment. It's not like you have a choice do you?
It falls under the same bullshit of a fishing expedition. The cop pulls you over just to look inside the windows and fuck with you. Asks a bunch of questions trying to trip you up, to obtain a legal reason for detaining you in the first place when all they had was a hunch .
We don't need any further accuracy into their actions. Absolutely nothing justifies that initial act of forcible detainment.
The state should lose a couple million dollars in nice fat settlements to everyone pulled over. It's the only way they ever learn.
Just having an officer present is coercion enough. Perhaps they think they have plausible deniability since they are calling it "optional".
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
That's true of individual policemen / women. Whether it applies to the political and financial designs of the 'Police Department' (and associated governmental agencies) is another thing entirely.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
$50 is a lot more to a lot of people than you think. If you have a secure job or a lot of money it may seem like surrendering your privacy for nothing important. But for some people that means a chance to eat more than beans and rice this month, a phone card that could land them a job, or a 5 month overdue oil change.
Perspective is important.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
Voluntary is having a sign "$50 for a cheek swab, next right". Involuntary is police directing you to testing area. Period.
I've always said English was my second language. Had Romeo and Juliet been written in C, I might have understood it.
Ah, no. Good cops cover for bad cops, and that makes them bad cops. No such thing as a good cop.
This isn't about DNA or road safety it is a test to see how much shit people will take from their government and what additional compliance can be purchased with money.
The overwhelming majority of police are, frankly, pretty good folk who actually enjoy serving the public.
If you really believe this you are either willfully ignorant or a child,
... or a cop.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Remember: It's only being done in red states by state police.
Since when is Pennsylvania a "red state?"
Better zip up, your confirmation bias is showing.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
The state should lose a couple million dollars in nice fat settlements to everyone pulled over. It's the only way they ever learn.
No.
The officers doing these illegal fishing expeditions need to GO TO JAIL. Along with the chief of police, mayor, and governor.
You think these guys are going to shed a tear over losing millions of taxpayer dollars? (note: these are the same people burning DHS handouts on tactical armored personnel carriers, drones, license plate scanners, "less than lethal" toys, and machine guns for their SWAT teams)
shoots you?
Make love, not sigs
But you were also only privy to what they didn't mind you seeing or knowing about. The other 90% were just more careful.
Like you said, the other 90% already displayed that they were criminals by covering up for the 10% that were brazen with their criminal activities.
"You can have my DNA when you suck it out of my dick."
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Cops are the ones that refer to non-cops as "civilians".
Look, all cops have to do to win back support is to start arresting bad cops on the spot.
And in most cases, they could tie the DNA sample to your name using your car registration number.
He's likely referring to the presidential election. As the electoral votes are awarded on a popular vote, with gerrymandered districts NOT figured (directly..) into the outcome, he clearly forgets that the State GOP has deemed that their continued representation of a minority through use of gerrymandered districts is more important than having a representative democracy.
Happens all the time.
If you actually believe its about driving drunk, where they already can do a Breathalyzer or blood sample? i have a bridge you might be interested in. Its about getting as many citizens in as they can into their DB, specifically the poor. they know the person driving that Lexus is gonna tell them to get bent while the mother of 3 in that 94 Dodge? Not so much.
I never thought I'd say this but I'm glad my beloved grandfather and great uncles are gone, they fought against fascism in WWII and this kind of gestapo shit would disgust the hell out of them. I could probably wrap his body in some copper wire and run my entire neighborhood from all the revolutions he's turning in his grave.
I urge everybody who hasn't seen it to watch Naomi Wolf's lecture which shows how shit like this and the TSA intimidation fits into the bigger picture, because its fucking SCARY folks. This is the same plays that have been run since the time of Lenin and El Duce, get the population used to being confronted, cowed down and intimidated, makes things easier when they inevitably clamp down. Never forget that in 1930 Germany was a democracy and the NSDAP was a fringe bunch of kooks. Countries don't go from free to non free slowly, the shift is VERY fast but there is warning signs that a shift is occurring. I'd say shit like this and the NSA watching everything you do would be good indicators.
For those that think this kind of shit doesn't have a chilling effect? remember that when the wall fell it was found that the STASI had less than 7% of the population on their lists yet the entire population lived like they were always under the boot because everyone thought that they were one of the 7%. It really doesn't take much to break the will of a populace, just intimidation and fear used in the right places.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.