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"Perfect" Electron Roundness Bruises Supersymmetry

astroengine writes "New measurements of the electron have confirmed, to the smallest precision attainable, that it has a perfect roundness. This may sounds nice for the little electron, but to one of the big physics theories beyond the standard model, it's very bad news. 'We know the Standard Model does not encompass everything,' said physicist David DeMille, of Yale University and the ACME collaboration, in a press release. 'Like our LHC colleagues, we're trying to see something in the lab that's different from what the Standard Model predicts.' Should supersymmetrical particles exist, they should have a measurable effect on the electron's dipole moment. But as ACME's precise measurements show, the electron still has zero dipole moment (as predicted by the standard model) and is likely very close to being perfectly round. Unfortunately for the theory of supersymmetry, this is yet another blow."

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  1. Re:Time for some really new physics by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to nitpick, but isn't the collapse of the universe *always* closer than ever before?

  2. Re:Invisible unicorns in a garage by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An aspect of science is applied math as the AC below mentioned. More particularly, we should be somewhat cautious in treating math as physics. Physics is describable in math, but it isn't math. And the mathematics of a physical situation functions more like an analogy. It says "that works like this"...and usually it does that to some epsilon because we can only measure up to a certain energy. One can think of a physical theory described in mathematics as an idealization. The math is very precise, the real world is not necessarily.

  3. Re:Invisible unicorns in a garage by CreatureComfort · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The trouble is that Mathematics can describe ANY universe, not just the one we happen to be able to perceive.

    Math is great at describing perfect theories that fail to pan out in real life, but that are perfectly self consistent in the theory and equations. Just look at all of the great, and completely wrong, models offered in super-symmetry, string, and all the other Grand Unified Theories that mathematically are perfectly sound, but are disproved by actual experiment.

    This is why Physics, e.g. "science" > Math.

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  4. Re:Invisible unicorns in a garage by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mathematics cannot be the language of the universe as the vast majority of the universe does not communicate any ideas. The parts of it that do is an insignificant, tiny portion that includes us and whatever other self-aware/reasoning beings that may be out there.

    What mathematics is are a set of insanely great tools that we use to create models helping us to describe the universe. One thing we've learned from math is that self-referential systems tend to have issues that can crop up in spots. And it's hard to get more self-referential than a subset of the universe trying to understand the whole thing.

    Saying that mathematics is sufficient to describe the real world, no matter how successful it has been at it so far, is awfully presumptuous.

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