It's Not Just the NSA: Police Are Tracking Your Car

New submitter blastboy writes "Every day in Britain, a vast system of cameras tracks cars on the road, feeding their movements into a database used by police. And because that data is networked, cops can use it to go back in time — or even predict your movements. But even though there are serious concerns about the technology, and it's regularly been abused by law enforcement, it has now been exported by the Brits and put in place by police departments around the world."

Comments

Well this is necessary

[Anonymous Coward]

Government surveillance is necessary in this date and age to protect not only our Freedoms but also our security.

England, the USofA, and the rest of the Free World have fought a long and hard battle against totalitarian, oppressive and stifling governments. And with the current trend of indiscriminate searching, monitoring and spying on its citizens, the Free World will stay free.

Re:Well this is necessary

[SirGarlon]

I think this is a case where Poe's Law applies.

Re:Well this is necessary

[Subm]

I think this is a case where Poe's Law applies.

I think this is a case where whoosh! applies.

State Abuse...

[Anonymous Coward]

...it's regularly been abused by law enforcement, it has now been exported by the Brits and put in place by police departments around the world....

Well, of course, the Brits have always been the first to invent new technical concepts. The steam engine, the computer, the jet, radar, you name it.. In this case we wrote the book here, so I'm not surprised that we're exporting it.

The book was 1984.....

Re:State Abuse...

[TheCarp]

I could have sworn it wasn't meant to be taken as an instruction manual. Possibly the worst mistake since that whole fiasco about serving man.

Which, coincidently is the movie reference that pops into my head whenever I see a cop car with "to protect and serve"

Re:State Abuse...

[erikkemperman]

Thank you. I was waiting for a 1984 reference to appear... It provides me with a lame excuse to plug another British writer (sort of) I've stumbled across recently:

Arthur Koestler

He wrote about totalitarianism as well, but much more subtle and less dramatic then Orwell. To each his own, but I have a new favourite dystopianist.

It's not all a downward slide

[SirGarlon]

Boston police apparently abandoned their license-plate reading program after reporters found out they weren't using it for the stated purpose of finding stolen vehicles.

Of course, it is easier to get a crooked, ineffective police program killed when it is funded from the local budget, not windfall "homeland security" dollars in the US.

Quite a bit different than NSA tracking

[John3]

Tracking the movements of vehicles is quite a bit different than tracking cell phone conversations. There is no expectation of privacy when driving a vehicle on public roads. Operating a vehicle (at least in the US) is heavily regulated, requiring registration of the vehicle, insurance, and licensed operators. In my area, in addition to the traffic cameras there are license plate scanners on most police vehicles. They scan and record the plates of vehicles as the police drive around town, popping up an alert if they get a "hit" on a vehicle with issues (suspended registration, insurance, or involvement in a crime). You're also tracked via tolls (EZ Pass in my area) and gasoline purchases (credit card data), but the police don't have easy access to that data without a subpoena.

Re:Quite a bit different than NSA tracking

[SJHillman]

If there's no expectation of privacy on public roads, then why do people get freaked out if they notice someone following them? There is some expectation of privacy on public roads, especially as you move away from cities.

Re:Quite a bit different than NSA tracking

[Nidi62]

If there's no expectation of privacy on public roads, then why do people get freaked out if they notice someone following them?

For the same reason people don't worry that people can see them when they are out in public, but freak out when they notice someone staring at them. You are being singled out and focused on, and probably not for something good.

Re:Quite a bit different than NSA tracking

[SirGarlon]

I only agree there is "no expectation of privacy" for a car in the sense that cars are not invisible. If my car is parked outside Starbucks, then anyone on the street can see it, and it is not a breach of my privacy to say "I saw Sir Garlon's car parked at Starbucks this morning." This is perfectly reasonable.

It is one hell of a leap from there to "it's perfectly OK for the government to track someone's vehicle 24/7." Pretending that "no expectation of privacy" in the first sense is congruent with "no expectation of privacy" in the second sense is totally disingenuous. As Jules from Pulp Fiction said, that "ain't the same ballpark, ain't the same league, ain't even the same fuckin' sport!"

Re:Quite a bit different than NSA tracking

[currently_awake]

If you convert the video to license plate numbers (OCR) then you can put that in a database with the time. This allows searching for cars easily and quickly, and allows you to work out the probable route the car used.

"Expectation of privacy"

[mrchaotica]

You know what? Fuck all this "no expectation of privacy" bullshit!

Sure, anything people do in public could be observed. But those are the keywords: "anything could." Not "everything will." And certainly not "everything will be observed and then get stored forever in an instantly-searchable government database!"

This Orwellian shit needs to stop.

Re:We also...

[TheCarp]

actually 1984 and Brave new world are both amongst some of my favourite books of all time.

The thing I find interesting is to think about what Orwell would include today. I mean, he had no way to know that it would be possible for so few to do so much. Even his view screens that could not be turned off and acted as cameras.... envisioned a world where nobody knew if they were watching when. He never considered a world where that act doesn't require an active observer, a world where they can just always be recording and then go back and watch later. Such technology was too far out to even be a pipe dream.

Hell, 15 years ago people in the know talked about it like it was a pipe dream. I mean sure, we could envision it then, but, the data requirements for both movement and storage were impossible, only maybe as an outside chance, in the hands of a sophisticated group like the NSA, and even then likely more than they can handle.... and now....today.... we know its true.

Hell I remember people talking about TCP hijacking and types of MITM attacks that always ended with "yah maybe if you were the NSA and could be snooping on every backbone connection".... 15 years ago, that was fiction; but it had become imaginable.

I have to wonder what 1984 would include if it had been written in the 90s.