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Antarctic Climate Research Expedition Trapped In Sea Ice
First time accepted submitter Stinky Cheese Man writes "An Antarctic climate research expedition, led by climate researcher Chris Turney of the University of New South Wales, has become trapped in heavy ice near the coast of Antarctica. The captain has issued a distress call and three nearby icebreaker ships are on their way to the rescue. According to Turney's web site, the purpose of the expedition is 'to discover and communicate the environmental changes taking place in the south.'"
It's not about being the frist pole. It's about being the first best poler who can spell.
> the purpose of the expedition is 'to discover and communicate the environmental changes taking place in the south.
Looks like they found some.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
There's about 1.53 million more square km of ice than what is usual.
...it's starkly beautiful, and nothing compares to hiking an extinct volcano and looking down on a colony of hundreds of penguins.
But I don't recommend getting stuck there. No. Definitely not.
Anyone who would insinuate that there is any ice left anywhere on Earth after Global Warming must be an anti-science denialist and must be purged in the name of tolerance.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
They can call it the "Endurance Centennial Reenactment".
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Afaik, there are no ice breakers on the way to rescue but ordinary fright ships. But perhaps they are ice breaking and that fact never was told in germany. The likely closest one is: note, a chineese freighter that stopped unloading its freight and moved imediatly towards the hazardouse ship.
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The GP posted a statement of fact, relevant to the story. Doesn't sound like a denialist to me.
They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let'm crash.
what it does prove is the complete intellecutual bankruptcy of the deniers
You AGW cultists are a real trip. When you say there will be less sea ice before you say there will be more, it means that the scientists arguing against your beliefs are the ones in intellectual bankruptcy?
Have the stones to admit you don't actually understand what you thought you did. But then, a real cultist will die before undergoing change to deeply held beliefs...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Your post is unbelievable.
The GP poster posted a subject of:
Seems there's more ice than usual in the antarctic
And then they posted a LINK to a graph that proved their subject.
THIS IS ALL THEY POSTED!! No follow on sentences about global warming. No links to any other sites about global warming or to sites denying global warming for that matter.
The post stated only facts, and made no arguments. Facts that seem to be backed up by the research vessel being stuck in the ice.
YOU brought global warming into the discussion, YOU called the GP poster a denier (note: I am speaking only to evidence in the GP post, if mc6809e is a raging denier elsewhere I don't know it).
This isn't really cherry picking of data, it is only presentation of data.
If there is an increase in antarctic summer ice at the same time there is a decrease in arctic summer ice, we should study what is happening.
There really wasn't a global warming argument being made in the GP. You just saw one there. Check your glasses.
:-) welcome to climate "discussion". It is like talking to religious fanatic -- logic just doesn't work. I gave up trying to argue with them long ago and probably this is exactly what they want -- to control mass media (in this case chats/reddit/etc).
I know some people have trouble with the concept, but Antarctica and the Arctic are different places. Also, Gore didn't predict that the Arctic would be ice free in the winter, FWIW.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I don't see how Arctic air temperature is at all relevant to a story about a ship stuck in Antarctic ice.
But you also seem to be reading things that just aren't there. The post *did not* say "Ha!". It was a statement of a fact. That's all.
mc6809e noted that in the SOUTHERN hemisphere, there is a +1.53 million square km ice anomaly.
However, in the follow-on post, it shows that in the NORTHERN hemisphere, there is a -0.63 million square km ice anomaly.
So, +1.53 - 0.63 = +0.9 net global ice difference over the past 3 years. And this is relative to the mean from 1978-2008.
Personally, it does make sense to me that there is AGW, but these graphs indicate a net global sea ice increase over the past 3 years. Is it the last word in the discussion? No, but it is an interesting data point.
Huh? Physicists have GREAT predictive power. You have to build multi-billion dollar devices to get unpredictable results these days.
Don't care about the rest of your post. Don't drag physics down to the level of climate "science" and geology, you filthy dirt person.
which in turn will allow England to cool to a temperature more in keeping with it's latitude ( North Dakota type latitude).
North Dakota runs from about 46 to 49 degrees north. England is 99.9% north of 50 degrees. It would be more accurate to say it's "James Bay type latitude".
You should be more careful when you're criticizing people for their ignorance.
(as always subject to revision with new information)
Shouldn't that be "As Never"? Because you never, ever change your CONCLUSION. You just change measured data until it fits the CONCLUSION you know is true.
That's not science man. Even a guy who builds Vacuums understands this far better than you.
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Deny that CO2 causes global warming as a scientist and you will lose EVERYTHING, no matter what your field is.
To deny that an increase in CO2 will cause warming goes against fundamental physics and the radiative absorption properties of CO2. Even such noted contrarians as Roy Spencer and Richard Lindzen will tell you the increase in CO2 will cause warming due to the physics. They just think there are other factors that cancel that warming.
The heat capacity of CO2 and the atmosphere in general has very little to do with global warming. It's the radiative properties that cause the effect. Over 90% of global warming goes into the oceans.
You are right that ocean acidification may turn out to be as big if not a bigger problem than global warming but when you say "who gives a fuck about a couple of degrees change" consider that the temperature difference between the depth of the Little Ice Age and the mid-20th century was only about 1 degree C. What difference will 2 C of further temperature rise make?