Have a Privacy-Invasion Wishlist? Peruse NSA's Top Secret Catalog

An anonymous reader writes with a link to Der Spiegel, which describes a Top-Secret spy-agency catalog which reveals that the NSA "has been secretly back dooring equipment from US companies including Dell, Cisco, Juniper, IBM, Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor and more, risking enormous damage to US tech sector." Der Spiegel also has a wider ranging article about the agency's Tailored Access Operations unit.

Comments

And Ultimately

[mrspoonsi]

The NSA will achieve the opposite for the USA, not more security but less, with the rest of the world now keen to do their own thing, the NSA are a loose cannon on a rolling ship.

Re:And Ultimately

[Anonymous Coward]

The NSA has already achieve the opposite for the USA

There FTFY... Talking to non IT people, the thing that most people don't seem to have understood is that Snowdon and hundreds of administrators from private contractors like him had uncontrolled access to all of the data. Those people will for 100% sure include some spies from hostile powers like Russia, China and North Korea. Some of those people will have already extracted data. People working for the NSA and DOD wrote the orange book about this. They have no excuse to pretend they didn't know that gathering all this data together would be dangerous.

The real thing that the NSA and GCHQ are trying to hide, is not the spying. It is that they were caught seriously endangering their countries for profit.

Re:And Ultimately

[paiute]

Have we already acquiesced to the NSA's desired reality?
Were these criminal activities which could not have been prevented by old-fashioned police work done within the law or were Orwellian-scale intrusions absolutely necessary?

Re:And Ultimately

[VortexCortex]

A scientist would say: Prove their evidence is real.

They lied to congress, and have a a long history of evil. It would be foolish to trust anything they say. See, that's the thing with secrets and lies: You can never trust anything they say to be true. "Oh we're strengthening security." Prove it -- Could be weakening security instead, we don't know because: Secrets. Oh, so they say these guys are terrorists? Prove it. You'll have to use independent evidence -- not like digital records can't be fabricated, what with all the routers and systems backdoored or exploited. They could have written the damn email from the guy's system themselves at a whim. These spooks are real creeps, tasked with socio-political control, not safety. What they do is target "radicals". They thought the Civil Rights Movement was "radical". The Privacy Rights Movement is considered "radical" too, especially since it requires an end government secrets. Everyone knows the atrocities the CIA gets up to, you think any of theses guys have qualms about silencing "radicals" any way they can?

Anyone think these programs are beneficial? That's an unproven claim. Disprove the null hypothesis: No secret spy organization can be proven to be beneficial. They can't be proven to be telling the truth. A secret oversight committee just moves the problem around.

You're 4 times more likely to die from lightning strike. The flu kills six times more people than a 9/11 scale attack every ear. Cars and cheeseburgers have killed Four Thousand times more lives than a 9/11 scale attack since 9/11. The cost to benefit ratio of the spying programs is ridiculous. Life is dangerous: There are risks that are acceptable. If we're brave enough to drive the kids to get a Happy Meal, then what possible fear can we have of a minuscule in comparison terrorist threat? Even if all 50 of those supposed bombers would have gone off, they'd still wouldn't justify the cost to privacy, freedom, and trust in our governments -- Falling down in the shower is more dangerous than terrorists. Where's the free government bath-mats if terrorists are such a big concern? Mutually assured destruction means big countries are no threat. The cold war didn't end, the military industrial complex just turned on its own people in secret. Everything Eisenhower warned us about came true.

The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
- John F. Kennedy

What a "radical" thought.

Re:Dell

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm surprised you couldn't come up with at least some possibilities on your own, K. S. Kyosuke. I always thought that you were a smart cookie.

One obvious one is that the disk's firmware is updated to detect and modify critical Windows executables, DLLs or drivers with some additional code to send out information to remote servers once a network connection is detected, or perhaps to introduce flaws that can be exploited easily. The same could be done for Linux kernel binaries or modules, too, of course.

Another pretty obvious one is that the disk's firmware alters log files to remove any traces of intrusions, making it appear as though no intrusion has occurred.

I'm sure there are many, many other ways that I haven't thought of.

Re:Misleading Summary

[the eric conspiracy]

Do you think the NSA is somehow unique in possessing tapping and forensic tools for IT equipment?

Every police agency in the world will have some of this stuff. Heck, when I accidentally repartitioned a hard drive a couple of years ago I used some software to recover files by carving them. One of the items listed in the article was a splitter cable for crying out loud.

Backdoors are seriously different from exploits. One implies collusion between a national security agency and a manufacturer. An exploit is the work of somebody independent of the manufacturer.

The NSA is seriously a problem. However this summary states US equipment manufacturers are in collusion with them. Without presenting any evidence, and filters out information that contradicts that statement from the reference it cites.

This is not journalism. It's a troll.

Re:The summary is not wrong.

[Desler]

Didn't say the summary was wrong. What it said was perfectly correct, but leaving out the fact that the article didn't just talk about US companies made it misleading.

Re:What are you going to do about it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, if you put it that way... it certainly sounds easier to just let the government keep fucking me up the ass.
By now I'm used to it. And your way sounds like work. Yuck.

Re:Don't buy from US companies

[noh8rz10]

naive. if US is doing this, then Chinese and Russians are doing it too.

Re:Dell

[gweihir]

It can do any number of things, but they have to be pre-arranged, as the disk cannot access main memory. It can, for example, inject code into the boot-loader or compromise known executables. The firmware compromise is not really necessary, but it can help disguising things. For example, with a firmware compromise you can do things like boot-code compromise only if the power went up less than a minute ago or if there was a reset shortly before. Then anybody reading the bootloader to verify it will not see the compromise. A BIOS-attack would be doing something similar, but without the possibility to hide so easily. (If these things become widespread, I will start to verify my BIOS regularly with an SPI adapter. No way to hide from that.

Full disk encryption with boot from a non-writable medium (kernel and initrd on CD in a non-burner drive, for example) will neutralize a compromised disk firmware pretty effectively or alternatively protect the boot-loader against manipulation. Of course "they" could then try to compromise the CD drive...

Still, the NSA is not magic. They do not even have the best hackers, just those with the biggest egos ans smallest morals. These tend to be rather mediocre. No, the problem is that PC security sucks badly and that you can break into almost any standard installation if you throw enough money at the problem. My guess would be that even a restrictive firewall configuration on a Linux firewall keeps them out reliably. Of course, if you use Windows, they can just get past that with the update mechanism and with active help from Microsoft...

Re:Don't buy from US companies

[Carewolf]

i wonder if many companies were listed from around the world, but spiegel focused on US companies because the anti-american angle works well for them.

It is not the Spiegel that wrote the slashdot summary, it is the Spiegel that wrote the article that includes the non-American companies, and the American Slashdot that only included American companies. So how about rethinking your comment?

Re:Dell

[Bert64]

You sure this isn't an Apple feature called "power nap", the system wakes up and downloads updates, checks for new email etc, then goes back to sleep.

Bullshit

[pablo_max]

"loose cannon"? Bullshit.
Don't you think for one damn minute that the NSA is "off the ranch" with their programs. They were implemented at the behest of our beloved and benevolent leaders.
The "justice" branch (haha) just declared everything is just fine after all. The executive branch and legislative branch has already said time and time again that the NSA is doing useful and important work.

What really chaps my ass, is not that the government tells people these programs are for the so-called "war on terror" or that certainly, the government would never use it against non-terrorist, but the that nearly every poll indicates that most 'mericans fucking believe them!
I know they have done their best over the last 40 years to indoctrinate kids starting in kindergartener, but it is sad that so many folks just close their eyes and refuse to ask hard questions.
Think about it...forcing children to pledge allegiance to a government... It is fucking crazy. We are brainwashed never to question our masters, and it is working. Fuck, look at the shit your facebook friends post! That is a representation of America.
Disclosure, I feel I have the right to bitch. I did my 4 years in the services and about half that was in the shitty hotspots of the world keeping and eye on brown people.