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Unintended Consequences: How NSA Revelations May Lead To Even More Surveillance

Lauren Weinstein writes with a slightly depressing end-of-year prediction. An excerpt: "This then may be the ultimate irony in this surveillance saga. Despite the current flood of protests, recriminations, and embarrassments — and even a bit of legal jeopardy — intelligence services around the world (including especially NSA) may come to find that Edward Snowden's actions, by pushing into the sunlight the programs whose very existence had long been dim, dark, or denied — may turn out over time to be the greatest boost to domestic surveillance since the invention of the transistor."

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  1. TFA is full of crap ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody will want to have anything to do with USA

    It's not about USA per se.

    The entire thing is actually a reflection of the arrogance of those so-called "UNTOUCHABLES"

    They do not need to face the voters once every x-number of years, nor they need to answer to anyone.

    They are the bureaucrats, the non-elected bureaucrats that have grabbed hold of power through the back door method.

    Even the TFA itself is full of shit.

    If the net-surveillance scheme that has been exposed by Snowden is like giving the NSA (or any other spook organization) a blank check on what they do, we might as well stop catching murderers/rapers, and let them go on raping / murdering even more people, at will.

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    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:TFA is full of crap ! by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > 9/11 occured because intelligence folks thought that wire tapping was good enough

      Which is odd, I could have sworn it happened because a criminal group that wanted to make big headlines planned something that nobody really should have expected.

      There is also with that an implicit (and also incorrect) assumption that 9/11 was some sort of existential threat that we needed to be protected from; when the reality is it was little more than one of the the most brutal tragic publicity stunts ever by a group that had no hope of ever harming us as much as we harm ourselves in response to them....little more than a peanut to an over-active immune response.

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
  2. Re:Does it matter by ranulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nonsense. People in general don't care about in privacy, right up to the point where it suddenly works against them. It's just the laziness and apatheticness of human nature. It'll take a lot more than these leaks before people are really enraged, because at the moment everyone is still happy that "it's catching terrorists".

    It's just another example of "First they came..." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

  3. Re:Does it matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First they came for the terrorists, and I didn't care because I wasn't a terrorist. Then they called me a terrorist, and nobody cared because I was a terrorist. I hear rumors that some people might consider becoming enraged someday, but enraged people are terrorists and nobody listens to terrorists.

  4. Re:If you want to bend over ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd wager that the NSA are happy with Snowden's activities, as they've found out that the majority of people don't give a fuck, and of the minority who do, hardly any are actually taking action.

    The primary outcome of Snowden is a carte blanche to the state, and the particular businesses on behalf of which it works, to do whatever the fuck it wants.

  5. In your dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A big issue next election will be privacy.

    No it won't.

    The next election is going to be the same old bullshit issues: gay marriage, abortion, "when life begins", taxes, guns, Israel and a couple of other distraction issues that Rush and Fox News create.

    The nutty conservative fringe - I'm not talking about rational conservatives who want to put checks on government power and spending - I'm talking mostly about social conservatives who want government to regulate what one does behind closed doors. They seem to be driving the talking points in elections because they are the most shrill and irrational.

    Acid test: if a minister (Warren or whoever) gets quoted about an issue, then it's a distraction issue.

  6. Greed will stop the NSA. by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me tell you how this may really backfire on the US.

    All those greedy leaders of multi-national companies that have spent hundreds of millions on armies of lobbyists to manipulate Congress and lawmakers to make hundreds of billions in revenue are now going to start feeling the sting as they start losing business.

    You think this has to do with the average citizen dealing with privacy issues as the NSA snoops in? Like Boeing could give a shit right now about you as they've lost a multi-billion dollar contract. This has to do with greed. Always has. And to ensure those greedy leaders maintain their revenue streams, they WILL start putting pressure on Congress and lawmakers to stop the bleeding and contain this as best as possible. If that means re-gaining the trust of other countries by dismantling surveillance programs, then that may be what happens. If it means impeaching a President, then that may be what happens.

    Congress has not been under the control of the American voter for a very long time. Lobbyists control our government and laws, driven by greed, which is all-powerful. When business losses start climbing up into the hundreds of billions and unemployment rockets to 15% due to all of this, change will happen. Greed will ensure it.