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The Japanese Mob Is Hiring Homeless People To Clean Up Fukushima

Daniel_Stuckey writes "Now, where do you find people willing to work in a fallout zone for minimum wage? According to a Reuters report, hidden within hundreds of contractors working on the cleanup effort are yakuza-controlled companies that pay headhunters to find homeless people willing to work inside the fallout zone. The sheer scale of the cleanup effort is staggering. While decontaminating the Fukushima plant itself will cost tens of billions and take years, there are also the surrounding areas in Fukushima prefecture, where cleanup costs are expected to top $30 billion. With Tokyo Electric Power Co. (Tepco), the owner of the Fukushima plant, essentially nationalized at this point, Reuters reports that there's some $35 billion in taxpayer funds on the table for contractors."

90 comments

  1. subcontractors? by clovis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Would they be interested in H-1B workers here in the US being sub-contracted to work at Fukushima?

    1. Re:subcontractors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make sure you bring your own radiation gear. Who know what kind of cheap crap they are letting these homeless workers use.

    2. Re:subcontractors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Japanese healthcare system doesn't have to manage foreign workers if they fall ill, so maybe

    3. Re:subcontractors? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'm sure that they are carefully billing the workers for whatever cheap crap they are using. Debt peonage isn't terribly innovative; but it's a time-tested solution to ensure workplace docility.

      Just getting out the shackles and whips is discouraged; but there are so many ways of achieving de-facto slave labor...

    4. Re:subcontractors? by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      Would they be interested in H-1B workers here in the US being sub-contracted to work at Fukushima?

      Quite possibly, BUT...you're going to have to have very precisely written, step-by-step instructions on what exactly you want to do!!

      Don't leave anything to them using "imagination" or coming up with a unique solution, otherwise, your going to just spend more money having natives come in and re-do everything correctly.

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    5. Re:subcontractors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with debt peonage is the prerequisite you get the debt peon to stop caring about themselves.

      When bad times hit and you take too much, that tends to lead to massacre's and after a few of the debt peon's being slaughtered, it's the owners turn except the now depraved masses usually don't stop there.

      It also tends to lead to tons of radioactive debris being disposed of in a sub-par fashion.

      We've had Japanese finance ministers commit seppeku over the countries financial stupidity; this is the result.

    6. Re:subcontractors? by mikael · · Score: 1

      They offer to give the homeless food and shelter, but these bills end up costing more than the homeless earn, so they end up in debt. Now the homeless are realizing they are better off on the street that at Fukushima.

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    7. Re:subcontractors? by rmdingler · · Score: 0
      As I am unfamiliar with the homeless class in Nippon, I have no frame of reference, but my perception of the Japanese is the Fukushima 50 and Kamikaze pilots.

      Idealized perhaps, but I picture their homeless very happy, very proud to work there.

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  2. Where's Zatoichi when you need him? by koan · · Score: 2

    And what pray tell will the Yakuza do with the radioactive waste?

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:Where's Zatoichi when you need him? by boristdog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Packages of self-cooking noodles will be the next big thing out of Japan!

    2. Re:Where's Zatoichi when you need him? by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Funny

      And what pray tell will the Yakuza do with the radioactive waste?

      Collect it, mix it with a special blend of herbs, spices, and peppers, and sell it as:

        Fukushima "Devil may care, screw tomorrow" Nuclear Total Meltdown Exxxxtra Hot Sauce.

      Some people are going to be desperate due to a shortage of their favorite. They might make a quick buck in the US, maybe Korea and China too. Or maybe they could just open a store on Amazon. They could compete with this stuff, which has one of the best reviews ever.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    3. Re:Where's Zatoichi when you need him? by koan · · Score: 1

      Awwww not YOLO Noodle?

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      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    4. Re:Where's Zatoichi when you need him? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      I've already had self-cooking noodles in Japan. But they weren't the glow in the dark variety.

  3. Of course by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 2

    Government contracts, with government oversight right?

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    1. Re:Of course by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Members of Japanese organized crime were arrested three times this year "on charges of infiltrating construction giant Obayashi Corp's network of decontamination subcontractors and illegally sending workers to the government-funded project," which in some cases were homeless people hired by recruiters paid bounties on each minimum-wage worker they could sign up."

      Wrong.

      These are subcontractors hired by Obayashi Construction Corp.

      It's taxpayer money, but a private contract and private oversight.

    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Private exploiters, with private profit.

      Socialize the expenses, privatize the revenue.

    3. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so government money without government oversight? So much more comforting.

    4. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHEW! Good thing the government is not involved at all, or this might be an indictment on statism! Nothing but a bunch of greedy capitalists exploiting poor people whilst the government is distantly uninvolved. If only they had the example of China to show them the way of how to treat people and the environment right.

  4. I do not hate beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I only dislike it. What I hate is the random redirections to it.

  5. Why not make the Yakuza do it themselves ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the Japanse military could make them an offer they
    couldn't refuse ...

  6. Genocide, prove otherwise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an effective way to slaughter an entire class of people. I would have the UN investigate this.

    If said by KudyardRipling, mod points would not have been wasted.

    1. Re:Genocide, prove otherwise. by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      What an effective way to slaughter an entire class of people.

      If you had to slaughter 100 willing people, why wouldn't you choose the ones who demand the least compensation?

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    2. Re:Genocide, prove otherwise. by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What "class" is that? They're not slaughtering all the homeless people. They're convincing to a small number of them to take high risk jobs for low pay.

    3. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by FishTankX · · Score: 2

      having lived in Japan I can tell you the cost of getting into an apartment in Japanis something like four months rent. one month rent then one month rent realtors fees then two months rent as a gift to the landlord which is a holdover from the era after wwII when massive housing shortages plagued japan due tp large scale housing destruction. if you needed $4000 to get into an apartment you might have trouble getting into one too. also not having an apartmrnt is expensive because you can't cook or do anything for cheap entertainment.

    4. Re:Genocide, prove otherwise. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Considering the lethality of low level radiation, this is quite possibly the most inefficient way to slaughter the entire class of people ever.

    5. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all true (my first month cost exactly 1mil yen, about $15k at the time), however this sort of situation is what share homes are for. move in with nothing, live there very cheaply, probably party every night.
      not so sure they would allow most homeless people i see in their present state, though...

    6. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      Japan is not just one area thou, you make it seem as if it is all the same. Where exactly did you live?

      Manhattan is a super expensive place to live but it is not representative of all of the US. You need to provide much details to be creditable.

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    7. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true! Our class is doomed once these Mutant transients depart the worksite! Run!!!

    8. Re:Genocide, prove otherwise. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I'm curious if there is some kind of insurance fund that will help these people if they develop cancer or kidney failure in a few years.

      I'm also wondering if they are educated enough about the risks to know what they are getting into.

      Desperate hungry people doing a high risk job for low pay that may kill them? Sounds like the jobless problem is self correcting in Japan.

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    9. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Japan is not just one area you, thou make it seem as if it is all the same."

      "Thou" is a completely different word than the one you want. Though. Tip: If English isn't your native language (I suspect you're Japanese), take care to NOT copy what you see on the internet. There are an awful lot of semiliterate people here who will make you look like a moron if you follow their examples. Practice with literature, not the internet.

      Oh, and creditable isn't the word you're looking for, either. Creditable means (of a performance, effort, or action) deserving public acknowledgment and praise but not necessarily outstanding or successful. "a very creditable 2–4 defeat". synonyms: commendable, praiseworthy, laudable, admirable, honorable, estimable, meritorious, worthy, deserving, respectable.

      The word you wanted was credible. When in doubt, consult a dictionary (and NOT the urban dictionary or wictionary, use a good source like Websters or Cambrige).

    10. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      Lol, thank you oh wize (ass) AC! You found a word where I missed letters on and something my spell checker fixed wrong! I bow to your wizdom!

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    11. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having lived in Japan, I can tell you the cost of getting into an apartment was factored in and completely handled by my employer.

    12. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your punctuation is terrible. You should have paid attention in English class.

    13. Re:Genocide, prove otherwise. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They have a national health care system, coverage cannot be denied, and hospitals are, by law, physician-owned non-profits. The government sets the prices and generally the patient gets a bill for 30%. I'm sure if they can't pay they'll feel very ashamed, and beg for more nuclear cleanup work.

    14. Re: Genocide, prove otherwise. by FishTankX · · Score: 1

      Actually I lived in Aomori city in Aomori prefecture for 5 years. Are you from Japan? If so, you know it's not a super expensive place to live. But normally they wanted 1 months rent, security deposit, 1 months rent as a real estate agent fee, and 1 or 2 months rent (I forget which) as key money. (A gift to the landlord.)

      My apartments base rent was 50,000 yen (`$500) and was not the most expensive place in the city. But worse case scenario that's still almost $3000, or close to 3 months salary for a minimum wage worker. Even if you lived with your parents, it might take a year to save enough to get into an apartment like that if you still want to have fun.

      In Tokyo? Blech. minimum wage isn't that much higher, but rents are almost double in the city. You have to live in Chiba or some other suburb and have long commutes to get a good rate.

  7. At least they are not being employed by the mobs ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Would they be interested in H-1B workers here in the US being sub-contracted to work at Fukushima?

    You may like to snide at those who work under the H-1B visa as "illegals", but at the very least, they do not work for the mobs, unlike what is happening right now in Japan, the land of the Yakuza !

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  8. Burakumin targeted, prove otherwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a swell way to dispose of the Dalits of Japan!

  9. Might as well use them at Tepco by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the evidence to date, I think that the management of TEPCO would be improved by replacing every C level executive with a homeless person. It could hardly get worse.

    1. Re:Might as well use them at Tepco by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      what about some BIG PRISON time for all bribes

    2. Re:Might as well use them at Tepco by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Why stop there? Take it all the way to the top! If they choose people with a general resemblance, they could leave the country and it could buy them weeks. "They've been spotting entering and exiting the meeting room, but nobody has been able to get through on the telephone"

  10. Wages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also of note: once food and lodging costs are deducted, the homeless people are working for less than minimum wage. The extra money being provided as compensation for the dangerous work is being pocketed by the people doing the "hiring."

  11. errr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the damn thing was just reported to be melting down, how in the hell can people be that close to it??

    1. Re:errr by CdBee · · Score: 2

      Mainly because melting-down failed nuclear reactors reactors arent actually as dangerous as common perception would have you believe. Comparatively safe zones can start within hundreds of metres of the breach and in many cases the radiological effects on long term health are on a sufficiently long timescale that normal human mortality steps in first. The experience of Chernobyl taught us this. Total long term deaths resulting from that meltdown were initially expected to be in the hundreds of thousands. In practice so far the death toll is less than 100 (yes, one hundred) - plus a much larger number of people living-with-health-issues

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    2. Re:errr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As in most things, deaths (unless they're a substantial fraction of the population) don't matter that much in dollars & cents. Disabilities, however, cost an insane amount of money. And Chernobyl caused a significant number of disabilities, physical and mental, among children born in effected areas or by effected parents.

    3. Re:errr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Chernobyl caused a significant number of disabilities, physical and mental, among children born in effected areas or by effected parents.

      The mental issues I am familiar with were pregnant women who decided to get an abortion rather than have a deformed child only to later find out that the child was perfectly healthy. I would attribute that to the fear-mongering around Chernobyl rather than the radiation itself.
      Sadly most numbers of Chernobyl related disabilities are greatly inflated since Russia agreed to compensate Ukraine for the damages. That led to a situation where pretty much everything that could be blamed on the radiation was, including lung cancer from a life long smoking habit.

  12. Re:If it works for them... by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was once told that an invisible man in the sky loved me and if I did not do exactly what he said no matter what he would show me that love by burning me for eternity.

    Don't believe everything you hear...

  13. Re:At least they are not being employed by the mob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it happens everywere, not only in japan.
    were I live we call it "echo-mafia", working all aspects of toxic (and radiological/nuclear) wastages without all those legal hassles and expenses - for organized crime it nets a lot more than drugs nowadays.

  14. This is a conservatives wet dream by CdBee · · Score: 0

    Private sector doing something about homelessness in the long term. I bet Michele Bachmann is positively moist at the prospects for this sort of entrepreneurship in America

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    1. Re:This is a conservatives wet dream by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      In America, we don't want our homeless working. We want them dependent and we want them voting. Jobs...for homeless....HOW HORRID!

    2. Re:This is a conservatives wet dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People with rich parents don't take the shitty, dangerous jobs. That's why meritocracy is an illusion. Only spoilt brats who don't want to be reminded that they are spoilt brats believe it.

  15. Fallout Zone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What fallout? There was a containment breach at a nuclear reactor, not a nuclear bombing.

    1. Re:Fallout Zone? by egr · · Score: 1

      Well, to avoid one they had to do some gas venting and coolant leaking.

    2. Re:Fallout Zone? by PPH · · Score: 2

      Actually, there were a few explosions. Not nuclear, but accumulated Hydrogen gas. They did distribute radio isotopes into the atmosphere, which was deposited in the local environment. That is what fallout is.

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  16. What about Paul Stamets' mushrooms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mycologist Stamets has proposed remediation of radiation by fungi. Of course, his approach would still require lots of human workers within the zone.

  17. Typical Western journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The only reason this story, is a story, is that many Westerners do not understand the role of one's work in Japanese culture. Despite the criminal activity of their employers, many of these homeless people must feel some level of satisfaction from having something to do other than beg in a culture that most definitely despises begging of any type. To the Japanese, having something productive to do - kameseru - is as important as breathing.

    If the emphasis of this story is that the mob is involved, so be it (although I imagine most Japanese would comment ".. and the sun rose today"). However, if they are outraged that the homeless are being exploited, they should save their pity for someone who would appreciate it.

    1. Re:Typical Western journalism by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      To the Japanese, having something productive to do - kameseru - is as important as breathing.

      THANK YOU for adding some interesting vox punctus contra punctum to the steady throb of exploitation exposé. Appreciation of pure kameseru does exist in Western cultures as well, though we try to balance it with a certain measure of laziness that varies with the individual.

      Disaster cleanup is noble work what ever the hazards, compensation or conditions.

      Here's hoping that with the intense scrutiny that this operation is under, the loosened purse-strings towards refugees (see the October 30 entry) and a sense of parity will ensure that those who participate will find suitable recompense.

      And no, this is not what I had in mind.

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    2. Re:Typical Western journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's bullshit. My guess is that either you're ignorant, or you're trying to make yourself feel better about corruption and human abuse in your preferred energy-generation industry. "I Like Nuclear Power! Therefore, slaves having to choose between starvation or being bullied into life-threatening work MUST be a good thing!"

      That kind of "It must be good because it affects my comfort zone" thinking is perhaps the number one feature holding back the entire human race.

      Watch, "Nuclear Ginza", made by a Japanese filmographer about this same corruption in the nuclear industry back in the 80's.

      Nothing has changed.

  18. Re:If it works for them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    come to japan and check out the homeless. some have decent setups (there is a semi-permanent "blue tarp" community in the western outskirts of yoyogi park), but most are not in such relatively enviable situations. even those with a stable makeshift home and community are quite likely not there by choice.

  19. Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There was an SF TV series that had something almost exactly like this as the plot.

    1. Re:Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by Bevilr · · Score: 2

      Life emulating anime? Now I'm just waiting for the wine bank break in.

    2. Re:Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I'm just waiting for the wine bank break in.

      ...Given that wine as an investment is an actual thing, you probably aren't going to have to wait all that long.

      Nuts to that though, I'm holding out for cyberbrains and prosthetic bodies. Suck it, mortality.

    3. Re:Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by ikhider · · Score: 1

      I think it was referred to as the 'Japanese Miracle', they were radiation scrubbers, or something like that. Put me down for a couple of tachikomas and a few fan-service shots of Major Motoko Kusanagi's exemplary bod. She's a lithium flower...I'm smelling lithium now...she's so huuuuumannnnn

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    4. Re:Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I specificly mean the episode where some homeless migrants are working on radioactive reactor bits despite whatever the "Japanese miracle" of fixing radiation is supposed to be. Some time back and there have been some awesome movies in the setting since then.

    5. Re:Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Now that was the boss's shining moment of awesome. Going from hostage to completely in charge.

    6. Re:Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      The Wallman manga's last 3 or four episodes have been dealing with yakuza exploiting cleanup money in Fukushima also.

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    7. Re:Plot of Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig episode by Talderas · · Score: 1

      The Japanese miracle was nano-bots that would scrub fallout that resulted from the use of nuclear weaponry but these nanobots had to be deployed prior to a blast to be useful. They're basically a deterrent for the use of nuclear weapons by making the radiation aspects of the weapons pointless.

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  20. Welcome to the Jungle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At the turn of the 20th Century Sinclair Lewis wrote about working conditions and corruption in the Chicago stockyards. Since then the US has allowed 12 million undocumented immigrants to work for minimum real wages, often without benefits or protections for which 'we' have understaffed federal agencies that can't adequately monitor all the businesses that pump out seasonally harvested food crops, let alone mass produced crap like salmonella laden peanut butter. But for some reason, we have to focus on what the Japanese are up to?!

    Redirect your attention away from the Yakuza behind the curtain. There's plenty of local corruption to go around, no matter where you are.

  21. Re:Western Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Japanese Mob spills over in America!

  22. Homeless people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bigger, more shocking news here is that now there are homeless people in Japan! That was unheard of, even as recently as 5 years ago. Japan used to be a very egalitarian country, where the wage disparity between the lowest salary and the highest, within a company, was never more than 1:10. But the right-wing governments of the past years have worked to undo a lot of the social and taxation policies, and the results are already visible.

    1. Re: Homeless people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unheard of? Says someone who very likely never visited the Land of the Rising Sun.

    2. Re:Homeless people! by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Open your eyes. Homelessness has been a problem in Japan for decades, it was terrible when I visited their even in the 1990's, but it has gotten a lot worse in the last 10 years.

  23. How is this different from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the poor or uneducated people joining the army and fighting in the middle east?

    1. Re:How is this different from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      the poor or uneducated people joining the army and fighting in the middle east?

      The homeless in Japan are not white trash like the scum who volunteer
      for the US military at a time when it is clear that the US is the aggressor,
      not the defender.

    2. Re:How is this different from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand, it's okay for people to die so long as they disagree with you, and they're white. Thank you moderators for giving this man the Interesting that he so obviously deserves.

  24. Confucius say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Two birds, one stone"

  25. Robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think japan need to announce robots challenge. Another kind of darpa. To help this jobs, and minimize the human need on dangerous area

  26. agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its pretty true. The poblem with slave minnions though is that Japan and other Asian countries get an edge by being able to cheaply (in more ways than one) offer themselves proudly to the state. its a race to tge bottom mentality as some day ifeuropeans and americans ever lack such self respect and dignity, there will be no benrfit to their slave efforts, though well meaning -ultimately basee on slave minded nationalist serfdom.

    i.e all they wilk have achieved is global suffering fir cheap people.

    I hope they survive and realize that its not just how we die but how we live. No true Buddhist would live on his knees like a nuclear cleaning minion.

    But a confucian minion would. Frikin excessive OTT confucianism is the problem here. Dont let thesr muppets convince u theyre helping. in the long rub theyre destroying Japan and civilization and decent standard of living for the masses.

    The globalist thank them dearly for supporting the elites.

    1. Re:agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could I ever disagree with someone with such impeccable language skills and obviously deep understanding of world philosophies? Certainly, your entitled, self-serving principles are the one true way. Let everyone rot, as long as the enlightened like you and I have our Big Macs and Dancing with the Stars.

  27. What does this really cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, I don't know the exact numbers, so forgive my ballparking and correct where possible but:

    Let's say Fukushima delivered power for 3 years to 250,000 people. Further, let's say each of those people used its power for 6 kWH per day.

    That means that it delivered 1,642,500,000 kWH and cost $35,000,000,000 to clean up. That's an additional fee of $0.05 per kWH for cleanup. Not really that bad, I don't think.

    How much does it cost to clean up the strip mining of 800,000 tons of coal?

  28. Re:If it works for them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice offtopic troll there. Not invisible, not in the sky, and you are forgiven for not doing exactly what he says (unless you're jewish or an Arab).

    So yes, don't believe everything you hear.

  29. JAPAN RADIATION POISONING AMERICA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JAPAN RADIATION POISONING AMERICA? New concerns hitting U.S. Pacific coast
    Dec 30, 2013 WorldNetDaily

    “The world is closely watching whether we can dismantle the Fukushima plant, including the issue of contaminated water,” said Prime Minister Abe. “Japanese government is determined to work hard to resolve the issue.”

    This is quite a change from previous statements Prime Minister Abe has made. In a speech Sept. 7 in front of the International Olympic Committee in Buenos Aires, Prime Minister Abe stated categorically, “Let me assure you the situation (the contaminated groundwater problem) is under control.”

    6 days later, Tokyo Electric disputed Prime Minister Abe’s claim at a meeting in Fukushima.
    “We regard the current situation as NOT being under control,” said Tokyo Electric.
    Tokyo was awarded the 2020 Olympic Games following Prime Minister Abe’s speech.

  30. Re:If it works for them... by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 1

    lol.

    He is invisible because you cannot see him. That whole Jesus thing was a bizarre and very temporary manifestation with many conflicting theories as to what exactly he was even among the faithful.

    He is everywhere so in the sky too. Also that was a metaphor as you well know.

    You are only forgiven if you ask for it. And what exactly constitutes someone who goes to hell is likewise extremely vague and conflicted. I was told as a child the very strict version of that myth and was not limiting my sentiment to christianity. (because none of the religions have any more truth to them that each other - even the fringe ones)

    But if it provides you comfort to believe in that nonsense then feel free to go ahead.

    But likewise don't expect me to do anything other than find you crazy and point out how ridiculous your position is and use it is the best and most extreme example we have of how people believe in all sorts of crazy shit when told by some other crazy as shit person with no evidence whatsoever to back up their position.

    Your ilk don't get the privilege of being nuts in public and have me not comment because you have not earned it. And considering how much harm and damage religion has caused over the years I would argue any example of it has not earned the right to exist and not be publicly vilified.

    So I will use the sheer insanity of religion as a metaphor, example, counterpoint or any other literary device for whatever I deem fit. It deserves far worse than anything I could ever give it.

  31. Re:If it works for them... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    I think calling them crazy or crazy-as-shit is a bit uncalled for. Sure, some of them are, but most are not.

    Just misguided, gullible, or naive.

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  32. I'd do the work, but . . . . by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

    I'm 46, probably done having kids, and more than willing to sign up for dangerous work, but NOT for any less than what I'm making now, plus enough to pay for adequate life insurance so that when I finally do die from butt cancer, or undergo spontaneous fission, my family will be properly provided for.