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The Geek Group's Hacker-Oriented High Voltage Lab In Michigan Damaged by Fire

Tech educational collective The Geek Group, based in Grand Rapids, Michigan, has more than 25,000 members, scattered all over the world — most of whom have never been to their flagship location in Michigan. Sadly, a fire Thursday damaged one of the facilities at their Leonard Street Labs (damage report starts about 26 minutes into this video), the High Voltage Lab. Since there aren't that many places for amateurs and hobbyists to learn about high voltage (even with the growing number of maker spaces around the world), that leaves a hole that hopefully will soon be filled; lucky for anyone interested, The Geek Group welcomes volunteers.

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  1. Not again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why is it that every couple of years something catastrophic happens to the group that severely impacts their progress, and trivializes the hard work of many contributors? And, why does it *have* to be something that’s amplified by the group’s “quirky” management who are clearly out of their league?

    My prediction is that their insurance won’t cover this. Eerily enough, the building’s lack of a fire alarm was also made evident. They will have a salvage mission on their hands and they will beg for private donations to cover the expense. Donator’s contributions burnt up in this incident, and donators will again have to swoop in and clean up the mess.

    I have no confidence that the group will cease to have these periodic, major incidents. And, I caution everyone to consider that fact before engaging yourself, and especially participating in one of their far-too-often fundraising drives.

    I’m sure everyone is aware of my perspective by now, but regardless, it’s been published many, many times in the past that despite the majority of the members being reasonable and well wishing, the management of the group need shuffling.

    1. Re:Not again... by megabeck42 · · Score: 2

      You know, I think the lack of fire alarms is by far the biggest WTF especially considering how much effort they invested in the HV room's grounding setup, for example.

      Hindsight's 20/20.

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    2. Re:Not again... by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Sounds like the sort of place that needs to be rebuilt; concrete, cinderblock and rubber.
      This is the internet, they have 25000 members.
      Im guessing between stumping for donations and passing the hat, this can be accomplished quickly.
      Theyll be up and Teslaizing before you know it.
      Used to be, sticking a fork in the toaster was the extent of learning outside school, and usually the end.
      From a Darwinian perspective, the more weeded out through caveat increases the likelyhood of obtaining the services of a COMPETENT electrician in the future.
      Maybe its a good thing, maybe its a bad thing. Its definitely a perspective thing.

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    3. Re:Not again... by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hindsight's 20/20.

      Horsepuckey. Not having fire alarms isn't a "hindsight 20/20" moment (I.E. something no one could have foreseen a need for), it's a "WTF were you *thinking* you blithering idiot" moment.

  2. Add to the heap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's been a lengthy discussion over at HaD regarding the fire:

    http://hackaday.com/2014/01/03/fire-at-the-geek-group/#comments

  3. This fire was.. by Anubis350 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Shocking! I'm positive the emergency contacts for the lab blew their fuse when they heard. Nothing like getting such negative reports to ground you in the harsh reality of life's load.

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  4. Re:25,000 members by MattskEE · · Score: 2

    I doubt they really have 25,000 members, that's probably the number of people who have signed up on their forums at one point or another. Active membership is surely much smaller.

  5. Re:25,000 members by grub · · Score: 2

    Maybe that's how the fire started. All 25,000 soldering irons plugged in.

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  6. Re: Ohh.. high *voltage*! by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

    Orignlinally this *was* a high current lab, but work there faced a lot of resistance from OSHA.

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  7. Never heard of them by RedBear · · Score: 2

    It's very weird to me that I've been reading /. and other geeky websites for a decade and a half and I've never, ever heard of this "The Geek Group" with 25,000 members and a 42,000 square foot headquarters/lab facility. What is their purpose? Should I have heard of them? Where would I hear about them, if not here? Am I supposed to turn in my geek card if I have no idea who these people are? Are they the ones that issue geek cards in the first place?

    Questions abound.

    1. Re:Never heard of them by Obliterous · · Score: 3, Informative

      Disclaimer up front: I am a IRC moderator and web volunteer for the Geek Group.

      Remember the shrunken quarters that you used to be able to get over at thinkgeek? Yeah, The Geek Group made them. you can still buy them over at thegeekgroup.org/store

      I'll be the first to admit that a lot of people don't like Chris Boden, but really, what large organization DOESN'T have a personality conflict or two?

      Yeah, Chris can be kind of a dick at times, but this whole thing started as his dream, and still is. You'd be a dick too, if people were fucking with or fucking up YOUR dreams.

      Please keep in mind, tho, that every story has more than one viewpoint, and there's more than one person that has been asked to leave and never come back, and some of them stir up shit as often as they can.

      As for the clutter in the room, the area has been used to store a lot of spare parts, both new and used, like high voltage power supplies, actuators, and parts for various future projects.

      So Yeah, lessons have been learned, the cleanup has already started and plans for rebuilding are being made and executed. Maybe they'll even be able to find a smoke detector that can handle being next to a 100KW arc.

      If you're interested in helping out, chatting, or just seeing what the Geek Group is all about, I suggest you watch their videos on youtube, visit their web page, and/or come join us in IRC @ irc://irc.thegeekgroup.org/#thegeekgroup

    2. Re:Never heard of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      25,000 is how many people they have "worldwide". Physically, they only have like 20 people. Chris, the owner has managed to swindle lots of donations out of people since he has been in this business (I met him in 1997), so he bought an old YMCA after a long line of other locations.

      No need to turn in your geek card or anything else. It's a group of 1 guy who cycles through volunteers on a very regular basis who sucks $$ of out the community that could be much better spent on the real makerspaces around town. He posts videos and counts followers on his videos as "members".

      Look up his history. He actually burned down his first building in Grand Rapids. He then moved to Kalamazoo and got run out of that town. He's on a first-name basis with his entire insurance company (not just the agent) because of all the incidents they've had to pay out for. He says he teaches kids and teens (he does hold workshops on occasion), but the amount of money he burns through could be much better spent on real community projects -- not his pet projects.

    3. Re:Never heard of them by slewfo0t · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Obviously this was posted by someone from the "Other" makerspace in town. Physically we have much more than 20 people, there are several hundred working directly with The Geek Group on a daily basis. Anyone can become a member - just visit the website and sign up it's free. If you want to work on projects at the lab, it's $40/month. The Geek Group is much more than a physical building, it's a community. It's geeks online and at the multiple facilities around the globe. It's crowd sourced engineering and science. It's a place to learn and teach technology. The Geek Group isn't just a makerspace, it's an entire community of folks trying to learn and teach technology. The fire here at the lab is a huge blow to what we've been working so hard on for so long. To sit on your armchair soapbox and dismiss it as you do and post as an anonymous coward speaks volumes as to the type of person you are. I'm sorry you hold so much contempt for such a great place. If you had any kind of soul, you would come out and help out with the rest of community. The Geek Group will get the mess cleaned up and get back open to the public. In the meantime, come volunteer at the greatest hackerspace around and show what your made of. Slewfoot