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Cartels Are Using Firetruck-Sized Drillers To Make Drug Pipelines

Daniel_Stuckey writes "In the beginning, they used catapults, dune buggies, 'jalapeños,' $1 million submarines, and sophisticated drug tunnels to move drugs northward. Now, Mexican drug cartels are taking to high-end industrial drills to carve out literal drug pipelines into the U.S. It's the next big leap in the evolution of the narcos' ingenious smuggle tech. The future of borderland drug running, it turns out, is boring. Jason Kersten reports on the phenomenon in a great GQ feature that focuses on the Sinaloa Cartel, the international crime syndicate believed to be behind the first known narco pipeline in 2008: '...Mexican authorities, responding to reports of a cave-in and flooding near the [All-American] canal, discovered a tunnel unlike anything they'd ever seen. Only ten inches wide, it was essentially a pipe. The Mexican cops traced it back to a house about 600 feet from the border, where they found a tractor-like vehicle with a long barrel on its side—a horizontal directional drill, or HDD.'"

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  1. Hudreds of Thousands US jobs depend on cartels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just think about all US government agencies and their budgets on "war on drugs" They only exists as long drug cartel exist. Huge shipments of firearms from US side, drugs to US, hundreds of thousand jobs.
    They love each other.

  2. People must be free by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Free market finds a way. Where gov't erects legal barriers, free market becomes black market. Gov't has no business in drugs ( and almost anything except national security actually). Declaring drugs illegal is destroying individual freedoms and distorting markets and creating criminals. The real problem is gov't, not criminals that gov't creates.

    1. Re:People must be free by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Free market finds a way. Where gov't erects legal barriers, free market becomes black market.

      You are right, but if the 'free market' were an argument for making something legal, then we should make assassinations and corporations that dump poison into rivers legal, because they are going to anyway.

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    2. Re:People must be free by bentcd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are right, but if the 'free market' were an argument for making something legal, then we should make assassinations and corporations that dump poison into rivers legal, because they are going to anyway.

      Well, the free market is an argument for legalization, but only with qualifications. Essentially, if the free market for a given good or service is or would be big enough then this alone is a very strong argument for legalizing it. The reasoning behind this is that first of all, if a lot of citizens want to trade in it then it is a democratic problem if they are prevented from doing so; secondly, that with such a big market even if you outlaw it the trade is still going to happen at large scale so what are you really achieving; and thirdly, that a lot of money that would otherwise move around the economy in a proper manner is now going to get funneled into a black economy where it will see less circulation (thus having a stagnating effect on the economy overall), will not be properly taxable, and will tend to leak into other more serious criminal enterprises. Also as we have seen with drugs, criminalizing what many see as a necessary good has led to the blatant militarization of police forces and erosion of civil rights for everyone. This is a very high price to pay for feelgood politics.

      Of course this would only be one of the arguments in any given debate but it would be a weighty one.

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    3. Re:People must be free by Procrasti · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > You are right, but if the 'free market' were an argument for making something legal, then we should make assassinations and corporations that dump poison into rivers legal, because they are going to anyway.

      These are not examples of free market because participants in the transaction do not choose the transaction. The assassination victim does not to choose to be assassinated, and people who enjoy the rivers did not choose for them to be poisoned. These are called negative externalities, and a free market is defined to be free of them. They can be corrected through taxation and legal punishment.

      Drug use, by itself, is not a negative externality... and drug users who generate negative externalities (theft and other crime) would be just as guilty of those crimes whether they were using drugs or not.

      This is a strawman argument against legalisation and a false comparison.

  3. Aren't there any lessons learned from prohibition? by purpledinoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a losing battle trying to fight the forces of economics. The Prohibition was basically a gift for the criminals and gangs to make easy money. We're seeing the same thing here. Why is weed illegal anyway? It's arguably just as harmful as alcohol and tobacco. I'm certain that Colorado an Washington won't crumble into anarchy as a result of legalization.

  4. Decriminalize by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The sooner we decriminalize drugs, the sooner this sort of idiotic "war on drugs" can end. It's one that the US law enforcement can never win, which is the perfect sort of war for a government agency, isn't it? I'm not saying there aren't well-meaning people in those agencies, or among those that advocate such policies, but it's those same well-meaning policies that also gave us the mob during the Prohibition era. Same dance, different partners.

    BTW, we recently decriminalized weed here in Washington State, and now people are setting up shops to sell the stuff. I'm betting the world won't come to an end.

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    1. Re:Decriminalize by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a sign of movement in the right direction, but unfortunately Washington's law, as it currently stands, doesn't really target this problem. The only thing that was legalized in WA is possession of up to an ounce of marijuana. Possession of larger quantities, not to mention growing or sale of any quantity, is still illegal. With consumer-level possession legal but production, distribution, and sale illegal, that doesn't really do much to harm the drug smugglers' business. To undercut the Mexican smugglers, we have to make it legal to grow and sell domestically, so there is no reason to import it from Mexico.

  5. Re:Plotline of Weeds by niftydude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Season 4 of Weeds aired in 2008. FTFA, the first drug tunnel was discovered by police in 1990.

    So I don't think the cartels are the copycats here...

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  6. Re:Plotline of Weeds by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    But thankfully they probably won't try to enforce the copyright.

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  7. Re:Any drones yet? by Noishkel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well hell they have their own submarines and now large tunneling machines. Seems like drones are the next logical step.

    If they get to the point where they have their own space program I say we just surrender in the war on drugs and let them run things.

  8. Re:Aren't there any lessons learned from prohibiti by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's just heaps more difficult to produce high quality booze or cigs. If people can get plastered on drugs they can grow at home at the same quality that you could sell them... that's just so un-American!

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  9. Second pipeline? by CaptQuark · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, was there a second pipeline for all the cash to flow back into Mexico?

    You wouldn't want to interrupt the flow of drugs for something as inconsequential as cash.

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  10. Re:Hudreds of Thousands US jobs depend on cartels by erikkemperman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, which is why the reverse is equally true: the cartels will only exist as long as the war on drugs exists.

    You've got to wonder why the folks on the right who care so deeply about individual freedom of choice and despise government intrusion in personal affairs are such big fans of the war on drugs.

    If it were about protecting the people from harm (which drugs can undoubtedly do to its users) or about reducing crime, the exact opposite approach would make much more sense.

    I believe there might be a hint in the fact that sentencing in cases involving cheap drugs is so much harsher than cases involving expensive drugs.

    Combined with the infamous two-tier justice system, and the various ways in which ex-convicts are reduced to subhuman status well after they formally did their time, it is effectively a war on the poor, and their vote.

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  11. Re:Plotline of Weeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    All real world tunnels discovered so far have only been a few inches wide and use a pulley system to move drugs.

    Incorrect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_tunnel#U.S.-Mexican_smuggling_tunnels

  12. Re:Plotline of Weeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_smuggling_tunnels

    "The Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels are passages that have been dug under the Philadelphi Corridor, a narrow strip of land, 14 km (8.699 miles) in length, situated along the border between Gaza Strip and Egypt. After the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty of 1979[1] the town of Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, was split by this Corridor. One half of the town belongs to Egypt, and the other half was under Israeli military control until 2005. After Israel withdrew, the Philadelphi Corridor was placed under the control of the Palestine Authority until 2007. When the Hamas seized power in 2007, Egypt and Israel closed borders with Gaza. []

    "The tunnels are used to import a wide range of goods, including livestock, zoo animals, food, legal and illegal drugs, clothes, car parts, building supplies and weapons. The tunnels were also used to smuggle in construction materials for the Gaza Mall and the Crazy Water Park.[9][10] Palestinians view the tunnels as a lifeline, enabling them access to a wide range of commercial goods during the blockade of the Gaza Strip."

  13. Re:Hudreds of Thousands US jobs depend on cartels by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the group referred to as 'the right' actually consists of several contradicting ideologies forced together by the nature of the US political system. While they do hold to the principle of small government and individual freedom, these are not their highest priority goals and so will be ignored when a seemingly more important idea is in contradiction. This happens quite often, as the political conservative and social conservative factions are fundamentally conflicted - they'd be at war with each other if they hadn't found a common enemy in the liberals.

  14. Re:Any drones yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The War on Drugs is just bullshit talk. Nobody in power is really serious about stopping stuff, they're just interesting in keeping a profitable War going on.

    The reason why the drug lords have the money for submarines, tunneling machines, armies and actual wars is because big banks launder billions for them AND the people involved in that mostly get away with it.

    If people know they might end up in jail for laundering, you'd see more of them start getting formal approval from their bosses for dubious stuff, and their bosses will say "No", or pass stuff up to their own bosses and so on. There won't be any bullshit about no trails. A bank could believably claim it lost track of a few hundred dollars here and there, but not when billions are being transferred.

    Stop the laundering of billions of dollars and the drug lord budgets will shrink.

  15. Re:Any drones yet? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Drones will surely happen. I predict that at that time they will obviously have won. (They have won a long time ago, the "war on drugs" is just authoritarians trying desperately to tell others how to live and what to think, regardless of how much more damage that does.)

    The space program is a nice idea though.

    While I am not a drug user (beyond the obvious mood-altering substances: Alcohol, Caffeine, Sugar, Fat, Chocolate), safe (as far as possible, but see the dangers of legal drugs), medical-quality and reasonably priced drugs in general availability are the only sane thing to do. Everything else costs far, far too much.

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  16. Re:Any drones yet? by Mithrandir · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they get to the point where they have their own space program I say we just surrender in the war on drugs and let them run things.

    It's when they start taking over pizza delivery franchises that you have to really begin to worry.

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  17. something similar happened already by CdBee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look up the Glasgow Ice Cream Wars - battles for control of the drugs via ice cream van trade

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  18. Worse than jobs, it's authority by swb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My neighbor is a cop and a pretty conservative guy.

    I've been on ride-a-longs with him and one thing that surprised me was the amount of "paperwork" (which is really just database entry, not actual paper) associated with pretty much any call. We went to a house that was under renovation that had been broken into. Lockbox smashed and door opened. As it happens, the house was nearly done and they had just finished doing the hardwood floors -- the place was EMPTY, no tools, nothing at all to steal. The only thing that had happened was the breaking and entering. We were at the house and talked to the owner for maybe 10 minutes. We were at the precinct entering data for nearly an HOUR!

    I asked him what he does when he finds pot on someone. He said mostly nothing if its a small amount -- dump it on the ground and grind it up with this boot -- "You saw how much paperwork there is. If wrote every guy up with pot, I'd catch hell from my supervisor because I wouldn't be taking enough other calls."

    But, I suspect that despite that street cops don't want to or can't arrest everyone, cops generally LIKE that pot is illegal because it gives them a LEVER. A tool to use against people to justify stopping them and searching them. Look at Stop and Frisk in NYC -- so many arrests there are from stopping someone, making them dump their pockets and then arresting them for public display of marijuana.

    The DEA and the like organizationally don't like legalization because it undercuts their bureaucracy, but they really don't like the loss of authority.

    1. Re:Worse than jobs, it's authority by LoRdTAW · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was talking to my cop friend a month or so ago and he said the same thing: "No one wants pot to be legal more than us cops. We have better things to do. We really cant voice our opinions about it because as cops, we have a duty to enforce the laws. It's taboo for us as protesting the laws we are supposed to enforce. It's looked at as unprofessional by our superiors." Those aren't his exact words but it sums up what he said. Basically they have better things to do than arrest or fine a kid for a bag of weed. They simply destroy the bag and tell them to take a hike. The intoxicated trouble makers are mostly drunks who get into fights or car accidents. Its a bit ironic that the legal substance (alcohol) is responsible for more deaths and violence than the illegal substances.

  19. Re:Any drones yet? by Sique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's much more complicated than just "the evil banks launder drug money". If you use the money from drug sales to buy lets say on the next food market, then open up a restaurant and sell the food there, you already have washed your money, because then your drug money gets orderly booked and taxed and is as clean as you want. Do this with several layers of legit companies and then even a very investigative reporter or police officer will have a hard time to prove money laundering.

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  20. Re:Any drones yet? by hawkinspeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rather than letting the drug cartels run things, why don't we just legalise the drugs and put the cartels out of business by having the goverment sell drugs and thus earn some tax revenue.

    Seems so obvious to me.

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  21. Re:Aren't there any lessons learned from prohibiti by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Most people aren't going to be able to smoke as much as a single plant can produce in a year... why would they ever buy it?"

    Same reason people buy vegetables from the store and hamburgers from McDonalds. Convenience.

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  22. Re:Plotline of Weeds by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Undermining defenses is WAY older than WWI. It is where the word "undermine" actually comes from. According to Wikipedia it was used by the Romans, Greeks, and ancient Chinese, and of course in the Middle Ages.

  23. Re:Aren't there any lessons learned from prohibiti by kimvette · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Why is weed illegal anyway? It's arguably just as harmful as alcohol and tobacco.

    It is nowhere near as harmful as either. Does Tobacco show promise as a cancer-fighting, epilepsy-siezure-preventing drug, stress reducing, migraine treating, cluster headache killing, sinus and bronchial congestion reducing, muscle cramp reducing, eating disorder treating, antiemetic, appetite correcting, MS tremor reducing, parkinsons, glaucoma-treating, inflammation-reducing, pain reducing, mood lifting and NOT PHSYSICALLY ADDICTIVE (and can actually be used to treat addicts coming off harmful addictive drugs!!!) drug that is impossible to overdose on? (okay you can theoretically OD on it if you combust many pounds of it over the period of an hour or two - just like you can "OD" on water) Does Alcohol show any promise? Hmm, perhaps then you should not use the word "harmful" anywhere near any word specifying cannabis nor compare it to harmful drugs.

    As far as the few potential effects may be concerned? The mental "high" can be avoided by either choosing a low-THC, high-CBD strain or by selecting a method of delivery which limits the release of THC. Tar? Not really tar but there are resins, and those can be avoided by vaporizing it, making extracts, infused oil for cooking, adding it to salad dressings, baking it into cookies, brownies, etc. and avoiding combustion, CO2 and CO exposure. Short-term memory loss? Sure the effect is real, but it is temporary and limited (only while high) for all but chronic users.

    There is no miracle drug, but Cannabis may very well be the next closest thing.

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  24. Re:Any drones yet? by hawkinspeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a tough choice between crime cartels and the government, but at least the government sometimes pretends to be benevolent.

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  25. Re:Any drones yet? by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's what we're doing in Washington and Colorado. And I should note that in the latest polls 58% of Americans favor that exact policy.

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  26. Re:Any drones yet? by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was a great talk at the 30th Chaos Computer Congress about this, I was just watching on youtube. The talk is called "Four Wars" and it by a former MI5 whistleblower from the 90s. She makes some good observations, basically....her prediction is this will happen.

    The reason being that the war on drugs is no longer useful for the state apparatus. The war on terror replaced it.

    Look before the WOT and what do you see? Before the 90s, how often were people's homes raided and why? Where were all the swat teams and justifications for wiretaps? It was drugs, it was drugs for a long time. Drugs was used to both fund and justify so much.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G81tJI2Pls

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  27. Re:US jobs depend on cartels by HBI · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It appears no one has answered this question, so I will. Why are people on the right so resolutely anti-drug?

    If you spent your whole life working - regardless of the delivered value to society - the idea of paying an able-bodied person's way in life is antithetical. Those on the right perceive drugs as a certain way to turn an able-bodied person into someone who requires social welfare. No one on the right trusts the individual to make logical choices in the presence in the corrupting influence of a mind-altering drug. They correctly identify the number of people who would remain productive members of society while consuming drugs as very small.

    Legalizing drugs would amount to at least removing society's disfavor from the consumption of same. The right expects that an ever-increasing crop of wastrels who do not work will be the result, increasing their tax burden and further damaging the perception that work is the correct pathway to life success. To the right, there is no upside to legalization.

    Wresting alcohol and marijuana from this perception goes far to explain why blue laws are still prevalent in many areas and that the first commercial legalization of marijuana happened this year.

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  28. Re:US jobs depend on cartels by erikkemperman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks for taking the time, it is certainly a very considered and eloquent piece.

    There are many countries where substance abusers are considered similar to alcoholics, which is to say as having a condition (a complex of psychological and physiological factors) which one can hope to alleviate by professional, targeted treatment -- instead of locking them up together with actual criminals (I mean the kind that leave victims).

    I live in one such country, the Netherlands, and while it is of course only a single anecdotal observation, I don't believe we have a noticeably larger fraction of our population on welfare due to drug-use than the US, or any other tough-on-drugs nation I am aware of. We do however have a whole lot less people in jail, per capita.

    I'm not sure how widely this fact is known, but the US rather stands out when it comes to incarceration. With 5% of the world population, it holds 25% of the world's prisoners.

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