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First Survey of Commercially Viable Asteroids Estimates Only 10 Are Worth Mining

KentuckyFC writes "In 2012, Richard Branson, Larry Page, and Eric Schmidt announced the launch of Planetary Resources, an ambitious start up with the goal of mining nearby asteroids for natural resources. Now an academic survey of ore-bearing asteroids estimates that only about 10 are likely to have resources worth mining. The new approach is to create a Drake-like equation that starts with the total number of asteroids and determines the percentage that are close enough to Earth, the percentage of these that contain valuable resources, the percentage of these large enough to pay for a space mining mission and so on. Each of these factors is filled with uncertainty but the bottom line is that when it comes to platinum group metals such as platinum, palladium, and iridium there are likely to be very few worth exploiting. That has significant implications for the future of space exploration. With so few commercially-viable space rocks out there, knowing which ones to pursue will be hugely valuable information, concludes the study. And that means the prospecting of asteroids is likely to become a highly secretive commercial endeavor in the not-too-distant future."

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  1. Baseballs... by mythosaz · · Score: 2

    ...someday we'll have the technology to shotgun baseball sized probes at the hunks of rock and figure it out. [Citation needed.]

    That said, the real question is what is the intersection of the availability of asteroid mining technology with the obsolescence of the need to mine these asteroids.

    1. Re:Baseballs... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      Also, getting the stuff (whatever it is) from the Moon to Earth would require climbing out of Moon's gravity well, which, while much lesser than Earth's, is still significant.

      However, there's a delta-v cost for getting to/from the asteroid, not just getting to/from the surface. That was the point of TFA, there are few worthwhile asteroids with low delta-v requirements.

      Also, given that space-worthy robots tend to suck, there's a large human component in their control and guidance. So the short time-lag to the moon allows near real-time teleoperation, greatly simplifying work. The time back to Earth is days, instead of months at best and years probably. This particularly matters if there's a reason to send humans (ie, someone has to repair the robots.) Gravity (such as it is) may also simplify the development of some equipment/methods, simply because they are more familiar to us, therefore 2/3rds solved by starting with Earth-analogues.

      The moon itself sucks as a resource. The surface is essentially light-slag. But billions of years of asteroid bombardment means it has pretty much anything that you'd find in an asteroid anyway. Run a magnet over the regolith, for example, and you get nickel-iron dust from metallic meteorite impacts (about 1% by mass, apparently). The poles may have water ice in permanent shadows. Possibly. (Man, we seriously need to put a decent lander/rover or ten on the moon again.)

      Long term, I think we'd want to mine asteroids. Shorter term, we may find the moon a more convenient place to cut our teeth, and build the resource supply chain into which asteroid mining fits.

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    2. Re:Baseballs... by Ihlosi · · Score: 2
      He said the platinum industry used to sell almost exclusively to the military for fuses in bombs.

      I guess a jeweler doesn't need to know what other industrial uses platinum has. It is an extremely common catalyst in the chemical industry (not just in catalytic converters in cars) and it is used in electronice (e.g. Pt100 resistance thermometers).

      I haven't heard about its use in bomb fuses. What's it used for in a bomb?

      Compared to Platium-group metals, gold has very few industrial uses.

  2. Uncertainty by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This kind of estimating may have an order of magnitude error. So it could easily be only 1 asteroid worth mining. Let the asteroid war begin!

    1. Re:Uncertainty by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      Recent measurements estimate that 10 +/- 20 asteroids may be commercially viable to mine!

    2. Re:Uncertainty by shadowrat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Recent measurements estimate that 10 +/- 20 asteroids may be commercially viable to mine!

      so there could be -10 asteroids worth mining? Somebody has to make the 10 asteroids first?

    3. Re:Uncertainty by VernonNemitz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I prefer to think that the definition of what is "valuable" is subject to change. This idea describes a kind of "overview" regarding converting just about anything into a pile of resources. The main cost is Energy. And in space, solar energy can be very cheap. IF they bother to put a solar-power station into Space, that is, with the goal not of using it to beam energy to Earth, but to use it to "smelt" (for want of a more precise word) space rocks down into useful oxygen, silicon, aluminum, iron, magnesium, etc. Then it won't matter in the least if one of those space rocks happens to be full of platinum.

    4. Re:Uncertainty by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 2

      First you need to split up larger asteroids. The most effective strategy is to position your ship in a corner.

    5. Re:Uncertainty by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      I've heard of of an asteroid in near earth orbit, filled with oxygen and useful industrial materials. It's apparently called "ISS" which must be some sort of ancient Babylonian goddess or something.

    6. Re:Uncertainty by Megane · · Score: 2

      The problem is that once you get them split up small enough, they're all whizzing around and there are a lot more that can hit you. And even if you get them, eventually some alien flying saucers get pissed off and start shooting lasers at you.

      The only way to win is not to play.

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    7. Re:Uncertainty by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2

      More to the point, they are basing this judgement on what is commercially viable FOR INVESTORS ON EARTH to mine. Asteroid mining has never been about how commercial competitive it would be versus mining the same materials from the Earth. Rather, asteroid mining has always been suggested as a way to kick-start space industry, because Earth-to-orbit fuel costs are so amazingly high. Sure you could grab some huge chunk of platinum from deep space and drop it down into Earth's gravity well to be harvested by planet-based corporations but - as the study proves - is a stupid way to invest your money.

      On the other hand, if you were interested in space industry, it is probably cheaper to harvest the resources "locally" rather than expensively hauling them to Earth orbit. However, this requires a far, far greater initial investment than merely sending out "miners", since you will also have to construct the initial infrastructure (refineries, factories) to make use of those resources. But in the long run - if your goal is more expansive and forward-looking than simply enriching a few people - asteroid mining has clear advantages.

      In other words, while accurate, the study misses the point of mining asteroids entirely.

  3. Drake by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And much like the Drake equation if even one of the inputs is a WAG the final result is meaningless.

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    1. Re:Drake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And much like the Drake equation since nearly all of the inputs are WAGes the final result is meaningless.

      FTFE (Fixed that for everyone)

    2. Re:Drake by gman003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wild-Ass Guess.

  4. Pure speculation on their part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    As anyone in mining can tell you, 'ore' is defined as mineral resources that can be mined at a profit. Binghman Canyon mine, for example, ran out of ore a few years ago, but then regained ore after they build a conveyer belt that let them move material more efficiently.

    The number of asteroids that are 'ore' depends on the cost of mining and the price of metal, both of which are subject to change. The cost of mining, especially, is basically unknown at this point, given that we've never done it.

  5. Star Wars economy by crow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What we need for this to work is essentially the Star Wars economy. Wonder how they built the Death Star and all those massive ships? Droids. If we can launch something up there that can harvest enough materials and build what it needs up there to keep going, then it just takes one launch. It sends robots to the right asteroid. They extract metals, build more robots, build space ships, go to other asteroids, and keep repeating the process. Occasionally they send shipments back home.

    We're a long ways away from that level of technology, but I don't think there's anything preventing us from getting there.

    For energy, the robots could either build nuclear or solar power systems.

    For manufacturing, 3-D printing is likely an enabling technology. It needs to advance way beyond where it is now, such as making full computers.

    Refining the raw materials found on the asteroids is another obstacle.

    I would guess it's 50 to 100 years out.

    1. Re:Star Wars economy by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

      You do realize that there was not really a Death Star or massive ships, right?

      It was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. You couldn't be expected to remember that from your non-AP History classes.

  6. Bad Assumptions by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Informative

    These numbers are highly speculative and reflect bad assumptions.

    The main bad assumption: That one would mine an asteroid for any one resource. Platinum/water etc.

    Much more likely is mining whatever is there and refining it into things useful in space, at least at first. Particularly obvious is making fuel from water, but any asteroid with ice will likely also have useful metal.

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    1. Re:Bad Assumptions by cusco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just the sheer mass of an asteroid is valuable, first for radiation protection and also for reaction mass. Strap a small nuclear reactor on a big ingot of whatever you've mined, feed slag into a NERVA-type engine, and let the resulting plasma propel your product to its destination.

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    2. Re:Bad Assumptions by mdielmann · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that was my base assumption. Just the $/kg to get anything into orbit makes it more valuable if it's already out of our gravity well. There just aren't that many things on earth that we value at greater than $1400/kg, and most of those don't count for a lot of the weight being sent up. Of course, you have to factor in the transportation cost to get it where you want it, but there are a number of options in that area, too (painting one side of an asteroid a different color can change its orbit). Imagine if the only things we sent up the gravity well were the things we don't already have in space. Plants, seeds, people, high-tech components (for now), and all those other things - oxygen, hydrogen, water, rock, metals - were shipped in 'locally'. That's your initial case for space mining/manufacturing.

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  7. Profit by iONiUM · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Step 1. Pay an academic entity to release a study saying that it's not worth mining asteroids, even if it is
    2. Step 2. In the meantime, get ready to mine asteroids
    3. Step 3. Start mining asteroids while everyone else isn't
    4. Step 4. Profit
    1. Re:Profit by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Funny

      Son of a bitch, an actual step three.

  8. Survey of my garden says... by bob_super · · Score: 2

    ... most rocks have little commercial value.

    Just because they have yet to get trapped by the earth's gravity well doesn't mean that most asteroids (especially the ones with the right orbits to mine) are fundamentally different in composition from what we find in the earth's crust.

  9. Re: Why just look near Earth? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    With what energy? Short of fission or fusion, how exactly do you plan on smelting ore in space (let alone forge it)?! Perhaps fusion in zero-G might make it easier, but who knows at this point. It's not being done now.

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  10. Re:Why just look near Earth? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 10 asteroids idea is based upon the premise that the resources are going intended for consumption on Earth. For the first iteration of things this only makes sense. There's no benefit to Earth based investors in resources with delta-v requirements effectively locking them to the vicinity of the Jovian system. Nor is there any ROI on resources even from NEOs that isn't in the Platinum group. Even in iteration 2 we'll still be looking at NEOs as the resources will be required for Earth orbiting projects.

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  11. Re:Gold and California. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gold created a short term spike of activity and created all kinds of damage for which we are still paying. California is all tech, agriculture, and movies now. None of that stuff runs on gold, but gold ran on mercury which still contaminates many of our bodies of water. Fish from Clear Lake (terrible misnomer) are almost inedible because of Hg contamination.

    Mining sucks in the long run. Sustainable forestry, fishery, and agriculture are the true key to prosperity. That's not just California greenie hippie bullshit. It's the dogone truth.

  12. Did we Learn Nothing from the Drake Eq.? by Araes · · Score: 4, Informative

    In many ways, these equations are almost worse than useless. For years, the Drake Eq. gave everyone the impression there were 1 or 2 other planets in the whole universe that could support life, and reinforced the whole contingent for which space exploration is never a "cost effective" endeavor. Then we found out "oh, wait, all our guesses were wildly pessemistic." They get filled with extrapolated numbers about a place we've only begun to tip-toe into and then make dire predictions.

    Some are also just wrong. For example, he uses 4.5 km/s delta-V but that doesn't even cover the maxima for Liquid Fuel Rockets (7 to 9 km/s). If you start to approach tech like Electrostatic or Hall Effect (Ion) Thrusters you get up into numbers more like 50-100 km/s, which would probably multiply his 10 number by a bit (most of the Oort Cloud becomes available over time).

    There's just so much fuzziness here its hard to find the use in it.

  13. Re: Why just look near Earth? by CreatureComfort · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why waste time with that? For smelting, pretty much all you need is a good fresnel lens.

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  14. Commercially viable by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    The kind of investment needed to mine a single asteroid put a limit of what is viable and what is not, at least in the most straightforward way (launch a rocket to that asteroid, mine it, send the materials to earth, game over). But can that limit be lowered changing the goal? What instead of searching for a platinum rich asteroid the goal is iron or needed materials (fuel?) ones to build/resuply ships already in the asteroid belt, would that initial investment raise the bar in what is profitable and what not? One of the biggest costs should be the initial launch of the ships from Earth, where every pound matters.

  15. Re:Need for materials by EdZ · · Score: 2

    I dare say that creating a rocket and fuel to launch tones of stuff far enough into space to reach an asteroid is going to be pretty rough on the local environment.

    Don't forget that after a handful of mission to metal-rich asteroids and water-rich asteroids, you have all the materials needed to assemble further missions in orbit. Much cheaper than lofting all that stuff out of Earth's gravity well.