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How Chris Christie Could Use the NSA Playbook

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Conor Friedersdorf has written a tongue-in-cheek article in The Atlantic advising New Jersey Governor Chris Christie how he can use the NSA playbook to successfully defend himself of the charges that a senior member of his staff was involved in shutting down George Washington Bridge traffic, a stunt meant to punish the mayor of an affected town for opposing his reelection. Christie's NSA-inspired explanation would include the following points: There are almost 9 million people in New Jersey, and only one was targeted for retribution, an impressively tiny error rate lower than .001 percent; The bridge closure was vital to national security because [redacted]; Since the George Washington Bridge is a potential terrorist target, everything that may or may not have happened near it is a state secret; Going after a political rival is wrong but it's important to put this event in context; Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich was the only target of non-compliant behavior. No other Fort Lee resident was ever targeted for retribution, and any delays that any Fort Lee resident experienced were totally inadvertent and incidental; Finally a panel will be formed to figure out how to restore the public's faith in Chris Christie. "To some readers, these talking points may seem absurd or deliberately misleading," concludes Friedersdorf, "but there isn't any denying that so far they're working okay for the NSA.""

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  1. beacon of freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it is really telling that the public official closed the bridge illegally and nobody is sitting in jail for this.

    1. Re:beacon of freedom by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is really telling that your entire list refers to a certain Democratic president, and mixes in things that (in your opinion) are bad policy. There are plenty of legitimate complaints about corruption in government, and then there are partisan shills. By acting as the latter, you demonstrate that you have no real concern about the former.

    2. Re:beacon of freedom by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By labeling that poster a "shill" you are obviously attempting to delegitimize the criticism over policy matters. Should we likewise label you a "shill" acting in defense of the administration or its policies? Apparently nobody here can hold an opinion without being a "shill." That does get to be tedious.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    3. Re:beacon of freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with the OP comments, but I like to read rebuttals.

      I read the one about fast and furious that you said was completely made up (Over 200 dead Mexicans disagree), so I followed you link, even though it was Huff Post. I figured the Huff Post would have a link to where the information that it was fake would be. It didn't even MENTION Fast and Furious.

      Were you just posting random links hoping people wouldn't follow them? It talked about the IRS scadal, and I've read the DNC talking points on that and they are all lies. No right wing group got tax exempt status for over 2 year, a process that is not to take longer than 90 days. Because of that many donors could not donate until they got the status. I've yet to find a source to debunk that bit of fact.

      So I stopped following your talking points because they appear to be just made up with random links.

    4. Re: beacon of freedom by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your point for 4 is no better than what was originally stated. It's still very bad monetary policy.

      And for 5 you're the one spreading bullshit. The republicans have been unable to pass anything to actually get in the way of Obamacare. Sure republican governors have opted out of building exchanges but the law gave then that choice. What the law didn't do was allow insurance to be sold across state lines, which would have only required a federal exchange. It was a colossal miss by the law. Oh and the gp post is correct Obama's constant executive changing of the law is sure as hell completely illegal.

    5. Re:beacon of freedom by readin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you use a bunch of left-wing websites to "debunk" the news?

      I don't have time to go into everything, and in fact most of the list doesn't interest me that much.

      But the IRS scandal wasn't hatched a couple days before the national press finally noticed. The IRS behavior was being noticed and complained about for many many months before it became widespread knowledge. You probably heard about the IRS being used as a political weapon in spring of 2013.

      From July of 2012, "Even worse, the IRS has responded to dozens of tax-exemption applications by tea-party groups with astonishingly intrusive document demands, seeking not only donor lists but also lists of volunteers." http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/310384/obama-s-sunshine-policy-david-french

      Mr. French is referring to a DailyCaller article from February 2012, http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/22/congressional-investigations-sought-over-irs-assault-on-tea-party-groups/

      Yes it's true that these are all conservative websites, but who else was going to cover news at that time that was negative to President Obama and wasn't already high profile?

      Anyway, here is a non-conservative site debunking your debunking http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/irs-tea-party-progressive-groups/2158831/

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      I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
  2. Random satire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm struggling to understand how this qualifies as "News For Nerds" or "Stuff That Matters".

  3. Re:No need to use the NSA's playbook... by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too late for all that. Christie allready apologized at length and fired the staffer involved. I don't get it anyway. How was closing lanes to a bridge going to hurt the mayor of Fort Lee? It inconvenienced a lot of the people in the area but they overwhelmingly voted for Christie anyway. The whole thing sounds idiotic. Is he hiring 7th graders for his staff or something? I would have broken his legs or something if I was angry with him. A traffic jam? Really?

  4. Re:Not news for nerds by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I look forward to the posting of mainstream stories on the green line site (my son's colloquialism).

    Often they arrive after being picked apart by the news media, but there are still moments of insight in this forum that I can't find anywhere else.

    All that,AND they talk about computers here.

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    Ernest Hemingway

  5. there's a better NSA link here: by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how did those emails and texts get to the media?

    i'm not saying the NSA did it. but how easy would it have been for it to do so?

    i'm not even saying the NSA would be pursing this as policy. the NSA is not an iron machine, it's composed of people. there's greed and corruption everywhere. for every virtuous edward snowden, there's another guy like edward snowden who knows a political operative and would do what snowden did, but for the motivation of cash instead. sell this kind of info for six or seven figures

    that's how dangerous the NSA is to democracy. infiltrate the NSA, abuse its powers as an employee, destroy the legitimacy of our government with the leaks and manipulations you are now capable of

    we live in a world where the NSA can decide presidential elections, or any elections. right now. everyone has dirt on them. focus on the candidates you want to weed out, get dirt like this bridge fiasco on them, leak it to the media, and voila: you decide elections

    this is why the NSA has to be curtailed. it is incompatible with democracy. the NSA will destroy this country, make everyone believe their government is fake

    the NSA must be made transparent, congressional oversight bolted on, its scope of powers severely reduced, etc. secret courts? what the fuck? no! not acceptable

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  6. Re:No need to use the NSA's playbook... by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is he hiring 7th graders for his staff or something?

    Take that back! I have a son in the 7th grade, and I assure you that most 7th graders are more mature than politicians.

    I would have broken his legs or something

    So you do understand NJ.

  7. If you want to know a child, look at his friends.. by Proudrooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So by looking a Chris Christie's friends what can we determine from him? All of his friends seem to be petty, vindictive, bullies. Then when things go bad, it is every man for themselves which shows a lack of loyalty since everyone except Christie has had to resign. It won't be long until one of his friends turns on him, but then it will be an all out character assassination against that old friend.

    This little stunt happened on the first day of school, messing with kids and communities on a stressful first day, the people of NY & NJ, interstate commerce, and possible security and emergency services.

    Some of the friends are going to need a timeout, where big people go for timeout. A little jail time.

  8. Re:Not news for nerds by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This should be posted on a political forum. Maybe slashdot could create a second site for stories like this.

    I think you have misunderstood the target of the referenced article. It is not actually about New Jersey politics, it is about the weakness of the NSA's justifications for its recently-revealed actions. Those actions seem to have attracted a lot of interest on slashdot.

  9. Actaully Fox News is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Rupert Murdoch and couple of other billionaires started their own network in the 1980s and Fox News in the 1990s, they intentionally wanted the network to be on the right side of the political spectrum because they felt that part of the US market was being under served by other news outlets. After all, Regan was big then, the DEmocrats still had a strangle hold on Congress and the Conservatives had non outlet that catered to them.

    Flash forward 25 years and the country as a whole has moved more to the right. So, hows does Fox News differentiate itself now?

    By being so wacky right wing that they have become a parody of themselves. Colbert is making a real nice living by just accentuating some of the rhetoric - not adding too much to it, BTW.

    That's how ridiculous they have become.

    When I see commentators and anchors talk out of their ass; like blaming the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 on the financial meltdown; which it turns out it had nothing - zero - contribution to the financial meltdown.

    Fox News narrative is now scaring old white people. My doctors office has it on (all those old white people live it) and the BS that comes out of those people's mouths makes me wonder how these people can keep a straight face - actually I can - they millions of dollars a year to read the BS the Fox writers come up with.

    Also, notice how all the "anchors" are pretty MILFs with short skirts and hooker/stripper heels?

    All of the women on Fox News look like strippers.

    Infotainment, baby! with shitty half truths and lies.

    And parroting what they see on that shitty lying network. I've actually talked to people who were convinced that we the US will become just like Greece and they put their life savings into Gold - when it was pushing $2,000 an ounce (it since has fallen 40%). Guess where they got that idea from?

  10. Not "working well" by jodido · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The NSA's "defense" is not "working well." Except maybe with Democrats and Republicans who wish Snowden never existed. For a lot of the rest of the population NSA excuses are making things worse for them, not better.