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Google Buys Home Automation Company Nest

JDG1980 writes "Google just announced that they will be purchasing Nest, a company best known for their 'smart' thermostats and smoke detectors, for $3.2 billion in cash. What will this mean for Nest devices going forward — greater integration with Android, perhaps?"

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  1. Track your every move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What they'll do is track when you're home, what temperature you like your house, whether you're cold at night, etc, and then use it to advertise at you. Isn't that what Google does with everything?

    1. Re:Track your every move by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Google Buys Clippy:

      "I see you are using your heater often. Would you like to purchase soft wool blankets from one of our highly-rated sponsors?"

    2. Re:Track your every move by DaHat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You forgot "requiring Google+ integration for managing your NEST".

    3. Re:Track your every move by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny
      New Google advertising jingle:

      We see you when you're sleeping
      we know when you're awake
      we'll tell you what you want to buy
      so you better buy stuff for Google's sake

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    4. Re:Track your every move by lgw · · Score: 5, Informative

      Slashdot 2015: Google announces end of life for Nest products, citing low advertising revenue from the platform.

      Oh, well, one gone, but three more will pop up hoping for that multi-billion buyout.

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    5. Re:Track your every move by phrostie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember when it wasn't Google's fault that their street view cars intercepted your emails?

      Nest uses your home network.
      now it won't matter if you're on gmail or not.

    6. Re:Track your every move by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pretty much. To quote the relevant part:

      Will Nest customer data be shared with Google?

      Our privacy policy clearly limits the use of customer information to providing and improving Nest’s products and services. We’ve always taken privacy seriously and this will not change.

      If they had plans to keep Nest's data away from Google after the acquisition, they'd have said it plainly as they have with everything else they say. The fact that they aren't doing that here makes it pretty clear what their intent is.

      I have a Nest thermostat and have loved it, but I'm actually kinda glad I ran into some financial issues that led to my cancelling my pre-order for Protect smoke/CO detector for my entire house. I definitely won't be buying them now, and I'll be seriously considering whether or not I keep my thermostat.

    7. Re:Track your every move by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      CENTRAL SERVICES!

      We do the work, You do the pleasure!

      Google resents NSA intrusion, because it horns in on their turf...

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    8. Re:Track your every move by Pirogoeth · · Score: 5, Funny
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    9. Re:Track your every move by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they had plans to keep Nest's data away from Google after the acquisition, they'd have said it plainly as they have with everything else they say. The fact that they aren't doing that here makes it pretty clear what their intent is.

      Well, all it takes is for Google to "unify" the privacy policy of Nest with the rest of the Google privacy policy.

      And yes, they probably give you an opt-out, in which case your Nest becomes a dumb thermostat because access via the (now-defunct iOS version) smartphone apps and web access require accepting G+ and the new privacy policy.

      (And note to Apple, Google and Microsoft - please, can you stop buying up companies that make apps and discontinuing the competing versions? I know it's probably good for business, but c'mon now. There's nothing wrong with seeing Google and Microsoft in the Apple App Store, Apple and Microsoft in Google Play and Apple and Google in Microsoft Store...).

    10. Re:Track your every move by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdot 2015: Google announces end of life for Nest products, citing low advertising revenue from the platform.

      And yet, Nest has a nice screen on it (not touch). Which can display ads while the thermostat is otherwise idle... what possible use could the homeover have to seeing the set temperature all day? Why not just use that idle screen space to display ads?

    11. Re:Track your every move by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nor would the under $20 fully programmable, been around since dirt, standard as the day is long, conventional wall thermostat.

      Come on for pete sake, turning on the heat when its cold is the job of a thermostat. They've been doing it since the 30s, and became programmable since the late 70s. Don't act so impressed that your thermostat actually worked.

      You've paid in excess of 15 times what you needed to pay for program-ability, only to have it be totally dependent on the internet!

      There's one born every minute.

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    12. Re:Track your every move by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We have a Nest and love it.

      I would buy one if there was a mode to "ignore any adjustment by 15 year old daughter."

    13. Re:Track your every move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any thermostat can have a remote on/off feature.

      Phone -> Web server CGI -> soft-relay on PCI card (or use an Arduino board) -> higher voltage relay wired to make/break certain wires between the t-stat and the air handler (usually a "split system" or a "fan powered box").

      Wire colors:
      Black is ground.
      Green is fan on/off.
      Red is electric heat on/off. Second stage is usually orange, also on/off.
      Yellow is gas heat, can be on/off or analog (4-20mA, 0-10V, or 2-10V).
      White is DX (direct expansion) cooling on/off. ("Direct expansion" means that the cooling effect is due to the expansion of compressed liquid refrigerant into gas in the evaporator coil directly mounted in the airflow without any heat exchanger mechanism in between. If you're not running a "chiller" and/or don't know what a chiller is, you probably have DX cooling. This includes pretty much all home air conditioners.)

      DX cooling and electric heat should both have an internal interlock (in the unit, not the t-stat) preventing them from running if the fan isn't running. But be careful with cheap residential-grade units, the manufacturer may cut that corner to save money.

      You'll probably need a 24VAC transformer (yes, AC, not a DC power supply) to drive the whole thing, which allows you to buy a cheaper t-stat. A small (small is good enough for a home system) 24VAC transformer should run somewhere in the $10-ish range at a supplier like Kele. I also recommend their line of IDEC pluggable relays. They mount nicely to DIN rail.

    14. Re:Track your every move by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would buy one if there was a mode to "ignore any adjustment by 15 year old daughter."

      lock the thermostat and adjust it via your phone or computer. Then she can't do a thing.

      She probably has a key logger on my computer. But if not, she will just tape an ice pack to the thermostat.

    15. Re:Track your every move by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 4, Funny

      See? It's easy! Anybody with an electrical engineering degree can do it!

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  2. More targeted ads? by Pirogoeth · · Score: 3, Informative

    "We've noticed that you've been running your furnace a lot recently. Here's a list of insulation installers in your area that you might be interested in."

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  3. $3.2B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ridiculous sum of money for Nest. Google is starting to look like a has been trying to buy their way to relevance like Microsoft.

  4. Chromecast it by MrDoh! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, the AC unit can be the master, with wifi, that also connects to the smoke alarms around the house with wifi, with speakers... I'm sensing the chance for streaming music wherever you go in the house. Notifications, warnings where you left the phone. More of the chromecast model of a fairly basic module that's controlled through the phone's UI and just streams. To have these neat devices ONLY used for fire/ac, when they could have so much more running? Lots of potential. Tied in with your phone, and it's location, so as you're returning from work, crank up the heat/AC as needed. Maybe tie it into Google Glass so you can wander around the house and SEE the temp and control it with a few blinks? Very very cool, hopefully Google won't dump it but really go all out to make it the base of an Aware House.

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  5. Re:I'll be keeping mine by Trashcan+Romeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That assurance should last as long as "We won't track your data across services" did.

  6. What's with the Doom and Gloom? by retroworks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I own a warehouse and have to pay a security firm to receive emergency signals for freezing (pipes!) and smoke or overheating. I'd like to be able to monitor it myself. I'd live with ads if i can reduce what I pay the security company. Seems kind of obvious.

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  7. I think $3.2B is too much by AaronW · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I own a Nest thermostat and while it's a great and innovative device I don't see the company being worth $3.2B. There are also a lot of other new Internet enabled smoke detectors coming out. I looked at their smoke detectors but in many jurisdictions they can't be legally installed since smoke detectors are required to have a hard-wire connection such that if one goes off they all go off. Since Nest does this wirelessly it's not allowed. They're also incompatible with all the other smoke detectors and alarm systems and are quite expensive for what they are. I looked into this since I just wired in a bunch of 2-wire (12v) smoke detectors into my alarm system. I picked up a combination smoke/CO detector with heat sensor that integrates into my alarm system for $80.

    Now what would be cool is for someone to integrate a good wireless AP with a smoke detector though I think the smoke detector signalling should remain separate (at least here in California they require using special fire alarm wire for hooking up fire related stuff).

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    1. Re:I think $3.2B is too much by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

      I own a Nest thermostat and while it's a great and innovative device I don't see the company being worth $3.2B.

      With the way valuations seem to be done nowadays, a bloody lemonade stand made from a sheet of plywood and a few 2x4s is probably going to be worth a few million bucks.

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    2. Re:I think $3.2B is too much by bob_super · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only of you draw a cloud on it

    3. Re:I think $3.2B is too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's always money in the banana stand.

  8. The Thermostat by H.L. Mencken, 1931 by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    THE THERMOSTAT

    Of all the great inventions of modern times the one that has given me most comfort and joy is one that is seldom heard of, to wit, the thermostat. I was amazed, some time ago, to hear that it was invented at least a generation ago. I first heard of it during the War of 1914-18, when some kind friend suggested that I throw out the coal furnace that was making steam in my house and put in a gas furnace. Naturally enough, I hesitated, for the human mind is so constituted. But the day I finally succumbed must remain ever memorable in my annals, for it saw me move at one leap from an inferno into a sort of paradise. Everyone will recall how bad the coal was in those heroic days. The patriotic anthracite men loaded their culm-piles on cars, and sold them to householders all over the East. Not a furnaceman was in practise in my neighborhood: all of them were working in the shipyards at $15 a day. So I had to shovel coal myself, and not only shovel coal, but sift ashes. It was a truly dreadful experience. Worse, my house was always either too hot or too cold. When a few pieces of actual coal appeared in the mass of slate the temperature leaped up to 85 degrees, but most of the time it was between 45 and 50.

    The thermostat changed all that, and in an instant. I simply set it at 68 degrees, and then went about my business. Whenever the temperature in the house went up to 70 it automatically turned off the gas under the furnace in the cellar, and there was an immediate return to 68. And if the mercury, keeping on, dropped to 66, then the gas went on again, and the temperature was soon 68 once more. I began to feel like a man liberated from the death-house. I was never too hot or too cold. I had no coal to heave, no ashes to sift. My house became so clean that I could wear a shirt five days. I began to feel like work, and rapidly turned out a series of imperishable contributions to the national letters. My temper improved so vastly that my family began to suspect senile changes. Moreover, my cellar became as clean as the rest of the house, and as roomy as a barn. I enlarged my wine-room by 1000 cubic metres. I put in a cedar closet big enough to hold my whole wardrobe. I added a vault for papers, a carpenter shop, and a praying chamber.

    H.L. Mencken
    The Boons of Civilization
    From the American Mercury, Jan., 1931, pp. 33-35

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  9. Re:It's a Google aquisition by gregmac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That would beat how long it took them to discontinue selling SageTV by "a few years".

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