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Translating President Obama's NSA Reform Promises Into Plain English

Posted by timothy on from the dynamo-of-a-blender-of-an-analogy dept.

sandbagger writes "The cynics at the Register have picked apart Barack Obama's NSA reform promises. As to be expected, there's some good, some deliberate vagueness, talk of 'ticking bomb scenarios' and the politician's favourite 'promises to commit to future reforms'. Basically, it's a fig-leaf to kick the can down the road so the next president has to deal with it. He's promising bulk data will go to a third party so the NSA can't see it. Okay, who is this magical third party?" They don't seem to me nearly cynical enough.

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  1. If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it, period".

    Why would you bother parsing what he said word by word. He lies, period. What he says means nothing.

    1. Re:If you like it by redemtionboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "If you like your privacy, you can keep it"

      This is how power creeps. No one thinks they're evil. Each trust themselves to not abuse power. But even if this is going to a third party, it's still a violation of the 4th amendment. There are rules in place for a reason. This is asking to be abused.

      Even worse, they still haven't proven or show any evidence that this is necessary. It's one thing if you were preventing terrorist attacks left and right and could make a utility argument, but they aren't even doing that. It's disgusting.

    2. Re:If you like it by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is important here is the appearance of doing something... At least as far as ANY politician is concerned. The suckers buy into it.

    3. Re:If you like it by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's one thing if you were preventing terrorist attacks left and right and could make a utility argument

      No, it's not. Freedom is more important than safety. The people who are focused on the question of whether or not these programs stop terrorists are missing the point entirely.

    4. Re:If you like it by DrJimbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      so you never wear a safety harness, because your freedom is more important than your safety?

      Saying freedom is more important than safety does not imply that safety is unimportant just like Saying Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is taller than Shaquille O'Neal does imply Shaq is not tall.

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    5. Re:If you like it by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really, so you never wear a safety harness, because your freedom is more important than your safety?

      False analogy. In a survival situation, you need water before food. That does not mean that you never eat, and making such an implication is simply asinine.

      Ok, so you don't like that way of analogy, fine, let's consider putting people in prison. Why do we do this? Isn't that impairing their freedom? How dare we!

      Another false analogy, and horrible logic. Are you really trying to imply that if you believe in Natural Law, the US Constitution, or personal freedom that there can be no accountability for actions, no justice system, or that having a justice system makes freedom impossible? This is another asinine implication, no matter how it's viewed.

      There is no possible way to debate anyone with logic this horribly broken. Yes, that is correct. It's impossible to debate someone that uses this level of irrationality.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  2. Plain enough. by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Will this POTUS stop surveillance of citizens?

    Nope.

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  3. Get a warrant by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quite simply there needs to be two things. One is get a warrant, and these warrants need go public in short order. Public with no redactions. My guess is that 99% of redactions are not to protect sources and whatnot but to avoid embarrassment.

    Also these warrants need to go before real judges. If they can't trust the judges then how can they trust anyone?

  4. Re:Everybody Knows by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arguably corporations already have this data so all you need to do is have a law that mandates a retention policy. I still don't like it but it's definitely an improvement (of miniscule proportions)

  5. Register's response is good. by bussdriver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main issue that a lot of people are going to have is:
    1) They denied everything until Snowden
    2) What they fix, they'll deny until the next leaker.

    Possibly) What Snowden didn't leak, they will continue to deny and have no need to fix it. Plus there is the "need to know" stuff, some of which POTUS doesn't even know.

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  6. Re:make this an issue for the next POTUS election by NoKaOi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was an issue in the election that Obama won in 2008. The problem is that he lied his ass off and wasn't held accountable in 2012, not because Obama was doing a great job but because the other guy would have been 10x worse. I'm sure whoever runs in 2016 will either lie their ass off or figure out a way to make it a non-issue.

    Among other lies on the subject:
    "That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient," Obama said in 2007.
    Later:
    "I take the Constitution very seriously," he said. "The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America."

    But either way, this won't be a huge issue in the next election. Ironically, it'll be the things Obama actually did right that the democrats get reamed for, like social services (since that costs money, albeit a teeny tiny fraction of what the wars are costing each year) that help a helluva lot of people,I didn't even know how much good they did until having a conversation with a relative who's a social worker, and healthcare reform (although implementation was half-assed, it is allowing a lot of people get insurance, and in the bigger picture it's a move in the right direction).

  7. That interpretor's language is not Turing Complete by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Informative

    What good is a lexical translator if the output doesn't compile? We've been incrementally compiling the language of ++BS (doubleplus bullshit) for quite a while, so let's just run what we've got now and see if there are any obvious errors.

    The FBI and NSA have now both been tasked with maintaining "national security": This means maintaining the political, and socio-economic status quo despite the will of the people. It's a fact they have a long history of acting to silence civil rights activism, anti-war activism, and other activist groups. They claimed to stop the practice, but the NSA has now admitted it still entertains the idea of discrediting "radicals", via exposing porn habits, etc. Under the state secret label of "national security" they FBI and NSA won't have to worry about pesky FOIA requests revealing their programs like they did in the past, and can delegate enforcement to the state police agency: DHS. It doesn't matter where the data is stored online, or how encrypted it is, the NSA can and will get at it via exploits., so Obama is free to promise the moon and stars. Not like oversight ever stopped them from blatant constitutional violations before.

    Here is a documentary / book presenting facts which can be easily verified in an attempt explain the practice of Disaster Capitalism. The gist is that through application of social, political and economic shock therapy you can bend the will of the people to your design and siphon a lot of wealth up into the upper echelon of private business. It's also a great way to force the privatization of public resources for corporate benefit. Anyone who objects or holds counter economic views is labelled a "radical extremist" of a "dangerous ideology" and rounded up in prison camps as examples of what happens if you disagree. The bogeyman of Communism or Marxism or Terrorism, etc. is thereby leveraged.

    Warning: Cognitive Dissonance Detected.
        Assumption of inherent benign governance illogical: More evidence for Null Hypothesis against this stance exists.

    This article examines the Pentagon's preparation to implement the round-up of those having "radical ideologies" in the wake of a Disaster Capitalism event, (essentially following the predicitons and warnings of the prior linked documentary) and explains how the PRISM system is apparently connected to it.

    Error: Expected Event "Future" not found.
        Democratic Republic execution model is not consistent with economic ruin and despotism.

    So, there we have it. It would be crazy to think anyone could benefit through economic ruin, so everything's probably OK. It seems our government is just run at the behest of rich corporations, and is wearing tinfoil hats in preparation of ensuring our continued acquiescence just in case they're ever able to strip more power from the people than is bearable. However, it's probably nothing to worry about unless they plan to let some "unforseen disaster" happen, like a Stock Market Crash, Pearl Harbour, 9/11, Energy Crisis, etc. or our ability to influence the government via the democratic vote has been hacked.

    TL;DR: Obama's Promises are merely legitimization and fulfilment of The Nightmare Eisenhower Tried to Warn Us About.