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Regulations Could Delay or Prevent Space Tourism

schwit1 writes "This report explains how Virgin Galactic space tourists could be grounded by federal regulations. From the article: 'Virgin Galactic submitted an application to the FAA's Office of Commercial Space Transportation in late August 2013, says Attenborough. The office, which goes by the acronym AST, has six months to review the application, meaning an approval may come as early as February. Industry experts, however, say that may be an overly optimistic projection. "An application will inevitably be approved, but it definitely remains uncertain exactly when it will happen," says Dirk Gibson, an associate professor of communication at the University of New Mexico and author of multiple books on space tourism. "This is extremely dangerous and unchartered territory. It's space travel. AST has to be very prudent," he says. "They don't want to endanger the space-farers or the public, and they can't let the industry get started and then have a Titanic-like scenario that puts an end to it all in the eyes of the public.""

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  1. Titanic by Spaham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, like the Titanic stopped boat traveling, right ?

    1. Re:Titanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hindenburg would have been a better example.

  2. Bullet meet foot by horm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like a good way to drive privatized space travel to another country.

  3. So, launch from off shore by bobjr94 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just like cruise ships are registered all over the world, typically in countries with fewer regulations, whats to stop these space tourism companies from doing the same thing. If you can pay $100,000 or whatever for a quick trip into space, kicking in another $700 for airfare shouldn't be a deal breaker.

  4. Re:That's stupid by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Hey guys! I just went to Paris! I stayed in the plane the whole time and flew over it and came back!

    People take balloon and helicopter rides, cruises, etc, just to sight-see. There are routine 747 flights over Antarctica which never land there, sight-seeing only through little airliner windows.

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    Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
  5. The Largest Gallery by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An empty deadly vacuum is not that much of a destination, you know?

    It is when it's a gallery that holds one singularly fine blue object on full display.

    Plus, weightlessness.

    Frankly I don't agree with anything you are saying.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  6. Re:extremely dangerous and unchartered territory by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Informative

    (Qualifier: Yes, we know that Morton Thiokol designed the system and made the O-rings, but NASA administrators were familiar with the situation and approved the launch anyway.)

  7. Hindenburg by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, many similarities: airships float in a sea of air, using buoyancy just as a ship does. Perhaps more like a submarine, but those are boats too. :)

    And the loss of the Hindenburg certainly put a crimp in airship travel!

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  8. Space is dangerous by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please raise your hand if you are planning on using a large controlled explosion to propel yourself into the oxygenless, -270 Celsius medium of space, return by crashing back down hundreds of miles, and your plan to do so is rooted in the belief that this is all fantastically safe and unlikely to result in your death.

    I think the government space program has had an overall fatality rate of something not quite 10%. It's reasonable considering just what they've been doing, but even if commercial space flight is 10 X more safe than the program NASA developed, that's still going to be some guaranteed casualties for any widely implemented program. It's certainly nothing you would tolerate coming from an air liner. Anyone going up is going to have to be acknowledging the not-utterly-unlikely possibility of their death

    That said, some oversight isn't bad -- as long it's reasonable and not based on the stupid and unquantifiable "We have the prevent the next Titanic" metric -- but what the government should *really* be offering is direct assistance. The program is still small enough that it's entirely reasonable to help out all the viable startups, and nothing is going to promote success and safety so much as direct cooperation with experienced persons at NASA.

    1. Re:Space is dangerous by Teancum · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the government space program has had an overall fatality rate of something not quite 10%. It's reasonable considering just what they've been doing, but even if commercial space flight is 10 X more safe than the program NASA developed, that's still going to be some guaranteed casualties for any widely implemented program. It's certainly nothing you would tolerate coming from an air liner. Anyone going up is going to have to be acknowledging the not-utterly-unlikely possibility of their death

      The actual number of people who have died as a direct result of being in a spacecraft which malfunctioned or somehow caused the death of the occupant is a fair bit lower than you are suggesting. See also:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents

      Of the total number just more than 500 people who have been in space, 22 people have died. While certainly worse than what you would expect for air transportation, it is not a figure to simply pull out of your behind. It is important to note that these are also pioneers with this form of transportation, where at least for the early travellers they literally had no idea what to expect when they even got into space and the designers of these vehicles really didn't know what to anticipate either.

      When compared to the deaths of early aviators and even the deaths of passengers in aviation for the first 50 years of air travel, this is dong pretty damn well and has a surprisingly low casualty rate all things considered.

  9. Re:That's stupid by Bartles · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "jaded rich white people"? Do you think non-white people might be interested in traveling into space? Are only rich white people jaded? Can a brown person be rich and jaded? Or just jaded?

  10. Re:Certainly the government can make sure it's saf by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the day people stop clapping their hands just because the spacecraft takes off without blowing up on the launchpad.

    People clap because its fucking awesome.

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    "His name was James Damore."
  11. Re:That's stupid by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    but to link cities between Australia and South America or Africa.

    Oh for...

    http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/ Tourist flights. Flies out of an Australian city every two weeks, returns to that same city 12-14 hours later. Doesn't land anywhere else. Has Antarctic experts on board to explain what the tourists are seeing. Has nothing to do with Sth America or Africa.

    If you don't know what you are talking about, okay fine, but don't just make shit up.

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  12. Re: Certainly the government can make sure it's sa by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, sort of like how all those private job creators got to the Moon in 1969! Yeah! Fuck that Fox News chicken you retard!

    "Those private jobs creators" *were* the ones who got us to the moon. It certainly wasn't NASA bean-counters and administrative wonks. I know, I was there and worked for some of those companies. Don't try to rewrite history.

    NASA would put out a contract for a launch system/rocket engine/capsule/etc to accomplish "X" goals with certain requirements, private companies and their engineers and scientists went to work to research, design, test, and build it. Engineers and scientists who likely would have gone to school for something else if there was little demand for private sector science and engineering jobs.

    Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty and made more people self-sufficient than any other system ever devised, as well as spurred and funded the greatest and most rapid advances in science and technology the human race has ever known.

    It's not perfect. It's messy. Individual freedom and the individual responsibilities that come with it are likewise messy. People will disagree and argue. But capitalism and the individual freedom & self-sufficiency it empowers has through history, and still does, the most good for the largest number of the poorest people compared to anything else ever tried on a national or global scale, by orders of magnitude.

    There's simply no other system that's even in the same league when it comes to empowering the poor and raising their standard of living.

    Socialism, fascism, communism, and nearly all other ideologies/political systems put the individual secondary to a sovereign State/Collective. The US Constitution is unique in being the first time a nation was built on the basis of the State being secondary to the citizen.

    Strat

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