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NSA and GCHQ Target "Leaky" Phone Apps To Scoop User Data

schwit1 writes "New leaked NSA documents shed a new light on the agency's assault on the data controls of smartphone apps. Using app data permissions as a jumping off point, the documents show agency staffers building huge quantities of data, including 'intercepting Google Maps queries made on smartphones, and using them to collect large volumes of location information.' One slide lists capabilities for 'hot mic' recording, high precision geotracking, and file retrieval which would reach any content stored locally on the phone, including text messages, emails and calendar entries. As the slide notes in a parenthetical aside, 'if it's on the phone, we can get it.'"

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  1. Now we finally know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    what those birds are so angry about

  2. Can you hear me now? by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why are you listening?
    Do you understand me now?
    Why are you still listening?
    Do you think I have something to hide?
    Remember, I'm on your side
    So bugger off like a good man
    and snoop on the Taleban

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    1. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      To be clear, it's the Obama Administration that is doing this. After all, he is responsible for the actions of this and other Federal Agencies.

    2. Re:Can you hear me now? by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember, I'm on your side

      Correction: I'm on the side you *claim to be on*.

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    3. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, no president that has been before him has done this thing ever. Yay! for stupid here...

    4. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you know wrong is being done and do nothing to stop it, you are complicit. Yes, Obama inherited the problem, but could have (and should have) stopped this months ago.

    5. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he did, the Republicans would then claim that Obama is deliberately sabotaging the NSA and jeopardizing national security. To the Republicans, every move Obama makes is wrong, no matter what move that may be.

    6. Re:Can you hear me now? by morgauxo · · Score: 3, Informative

      And that's an excuse to make the moves that actually ARE wrong?

    7. Re:Can you hear me now? by fritsd · · Score: 1

      If he did, the Republicans would then claim that Obama is deliberately sabotaging the NSA and jeopardizing national security. To the Republicans, every move Obama makes is wrong, no matter what move that may be.

      The Republicans? Oh yeah, that was some kind of political party in the 20th century; like the Whigs. or was that the 19th.

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  3. Smurftastic! by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Informative

    The NSA has all the actual slides from the internal presentation:
    http://www.theguardian.com/wor...

    From what I gather, TRACKER SMURF module of the WARRIOR PRIDE rootkit for both IOS and Android sort of grabs pin positions of places you search for in Google Maps as well as where you actually ARE. What's interesting is the seeming fascination with sexual orientation and clubs. I guess if there is dirt to be had on an operative or a politician, it might be if they are secretly a wild and crazy guy, or perhaps visiting a mistress in South America instead of being lost on the Appalachian trail.

    I know it's fashionable to be angry and all that, but the more of these slides they release, the more you understand how good these guys are at spycraft. It's a solid rootkit base with modules for various device driver interaction, it's pulling back info to be sorted in databases specifically at dossier building on targets, etc etc. It's a well organized program of information gathering, actually.

    1. Re:Smurftastic! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And a police officer has the technical capacity to walk into my house and shoot me dead. That I can appreciate his likely skill with a service revolver doesn't mean he gets to shoot me dead at a whim.

      The same applies to the NSA. That it has some bright brains who have some impressive technical capabilities does not mean that they should be permitted to wantonly do it without proper civilian oversight, including the requirement that no US citizen's data be collected without an explicit and accurate warrant.

      In other words; capacity is only part of the equation.

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    2. Re:Smurftastic! by bob_super · · Score: 0

      Jawohl mein herr, ein fery efficient program.
      Vi hafe ways of knowing vat you fink! Trust us, vi only hafe the best interest of the nation in mind...

    3. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll just leave this right here..... http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/27/politics/nsa-snooping/

    4. Re:Smurftastic! by GPLDAN · · Score: 2

      Mister President, we must not allow a mine shaft gap!

    5. Re:Smurftastic! by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      The NSA seems to be only a few short steps away from the gas chambers and crematoriums.

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    6. Re:Smurftastic! by sycodon · · Score: 1

      The police do that more often than you think.

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    7. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't really relevant. 1 person in 40,000 loses self-control, breaks the rules, and gets disciplined or fired. That behavior isn't policy, and people get punished for it.

    8. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a really lazy analogy.

    9. Re:Smurftastic! by Zaelath · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's a worthless comment.

    10. Re:Smurftastic! by bob_super · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While that's a bit of an exaggeration since NSA is only collecting (once the data comes up/who cares where the hammer falls down/it's not my department/says NSA von braun), it fits in a more worrisome pattern.

      There was never a doubt in the European's mind that waterboarding is torture, because that's what was used by the Reich on the resistance. When you add a KGB/Stasi-on-steroids NSA, that makes for a nasty vibe.

    11. Re:Smurftastic! by Zordak · · Score: 0

      That I can appreciate his likely skill with a service revolver

      Cops don't carry those anymore. They carry Glocks. 9mm, 17+1 capacity. Yes, it's a technical nit to pick, but it means that the cop has 3x more bullets than you think he has if you think he's carrying a service revolver*. Also, he's probably carrying one or two spare magazines. In other words, Rain Man is screwed. Not only can he shoot you dead. He can shoot you very dead.

      *I'm not saying this is always a bad thing. Cops deal with some seriously bad people sometimes, and I'm all for them being able to defend themselves. It just means that if you get a hotheaded cop on a power trip, there's potentially a lot of damage for IA to sweep under the rug in their coverup.

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    12. Re:Smurftastic! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      The United States government was designed, by The People, cognizant of past abuses inevitably and always leading to the downfall of freedom, with the guiding principle that this "technical capability" will be abused, and thus should only be used with warrant from a judge.

      Even forgetting the sophistry that warrants are not needed, that the technical ability exists where a warrant is just a checkbox on a sheet which can be skipped at will, or at abuse, is the problem. There should be uncorruptible access logging at multiple offsite locations, with review process.

      These offsite spots should not even be remotely editable so an agent abusong the system at the behest of a politician cannot cover his tracks.

      A sheet with "Did you get a warrant? [x] Yes [ ] No" doesn't cut it anymore.

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    13. Re:Smurftastic! by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Very eloquent post ! Government has failed the first lesson about technology:

      "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

      And if you can't that does NOT imply to wantonly ignore the rules, nor does it mean simply change them to suit your fancy.

    14. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cops don't carry those anymore. They carry Glocks. 9mm, 17+1 capacity. Yes, it's a technical nit to pick,

      Wow, every single police department issues very specifically the Glock 17? That's the only Glock chambered in 9mm with a 17 round magazine standard (though the other 9mm models will accept them). That's an interesting assertion. Perhaps if you want to "pick a technical nit" you should make sure you know what you're talking about.

      Let's look at the top 5 largest police departments in the US and see what they issue:

      NYPD: Choice of 3, one of which is the Glock 19. Close, I guess. Officers on duty before 1994 may still carry their service revolver so you're wrong about that "nit" too.
      Chicago, IL: Does not issue a sidearm. Officers must purchase their own from five manufacturers and three calibers. Again, officers serving since pre-1996 may keep their service revolver.
      LAPD: Issued the Glock 17 or 22 by default (congratulations!), but are able to qualify and carry a wide variety of sidearm based on personal preference.
      LASD: Issued the Smith & Wesson M&P9
      CHP: Issued the Smith & Wesson 4006.

    15. Re:Smurftastic! by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      There was never a doubt in the European's mind that waterboarding is torture, because that's what was used by the Reich on the resistance.

      And by the Spanish Inquisition, who documented it amongst their methods of torture.

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    16. Re:Smurftastic! by msauve · · Score: 0

      A chicken in every pot, an orifice for every edifice!

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    17. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're like the big game hunter in Jurassic Park who says "Clever girl!" to the velociraptor just before it rips his heart out.

    18. Re:Smurftastic! by Zordak · · Score: 0

      No, not every single cop everywhere carries specifically a Glock 17. But a numerical majority of them do carry Glocks, which was the point I made first ("They carry Glocks" is a fair generalization when it applies to well over 50% of police). Then I gave an example of a specific Glock that many of them carry, and used that to illustrate the fact that your typical cop is packing a lot more than just six rounds. When was the last time you saw a cop carrying a six-round service revolver (even if some of them theoretically can if they want to)? Are you asserting that a significant number of them still do? Maybe your experience is different from mine, but none of the cops I see in 2014 are carrying a .38 Special.

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    19. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you cite the law that requires a warrant absolutely?

      Hint: there is none.

      All an officer needs to do is claim "exigent circumstances" and they can do whatever they want without a warrant, and there is nothing you can do to prevent it.

      The "exigent circumstances" exemption to the 4th amendment effectively nullifies it.

    20. Re:Smurftastic! by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      The "exigent circumstances" exemption to the 4th amendment effectively nullifies it.

      Weird. I don't see that one in my copy of the Constitution. Are you using Constitution 2.0?

    21. Re:Smurftastic! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I guess this means the Angry Birds tie in with The Smurfs and James Bond are not going to happen.

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    22. Re:Smurftastic! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      And a police officer has the technical capacity to walk into my house and shoot me dead. That I can appreciate his likely skill with a service revolver doesn't mean he gets to shoot me dead at a whim.

      Right but you accept the fact that the police need to have the capability to shoot people, right? Because if you were an armed robber or something they'd need to be able to do that to stop you.

      Similarly the NSA needs to have the capability to spy on people - terrorists, Russian or Chinese spies, or - if WWIII starts - Russian or Chinese soldiers are all people the NSA needs to be able to spy on. In fact it's highly irritating when people who tweet their every thought and bowel movement whine about this. The NSA aren't going to spy on them because a) everything they think is public and b) they're not interesting to anyone, let alone the NSA. Logically given limited resources it's more likely that people like the Boston Bombers are the target of surveillance than people someone memorably referred to as 'twitter cunts'.

      If you look at WWII Anglo American SIGINT like breaking the Enigma code was absolutely vital to the war effort and saved the UK from defeat. As China moves towards parity with the West and confronts Japan over the Senkakus it's not impossible the US may find itself in a similar situation. In the long run it's not impossible that Russia will threaten the Ukraine militarily - after all it did more than threaten Georgia.

      And in fact having a major SIGINT advantage over Russia and China is likely to act as a deterrent on them doing something like this. Conversely Snowden visiting both and telling them the US's capabilities is likely to make them think they're the ones with the advantage.

      The only reason you'd think Snowden did the right thing is if you think the US is the sole source of evil in the world and Russia and China are both governed by people who act robotically in the best interests of humanity eschewing any personal gain. How likely is it really that the people who govern the US are the only ones vulnerable to corruption and the far less open political systems of Russia and China magically produce incorruptible leaders?

      I'd say as bad as the US's politicians are the openness of the system means they are likely a lot less bad than those in China or Russia. In which case I'd rather the US has the SIGINT advantage. Snowden did exactly the wrong thing in taking US secrets to Russia and China and the Guardian is wrong to publish US secrets.

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    23. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another NSA shill.

    24. Re:Smurftastic! by coofercat · · Score: 1

      > the more you understand how good these guys are at spycraft

      Actually, I disagree - they're not targeting very well at all. If they were going after specific individuals, whom had been selected by some proper surveillance and intelligence gathering then I'd say they were really good. As it is, they're just a very large version of 'grep'.

      I'll bet I can find a terrorist if you give me every email and text message ever written and the details of every Angry Birds game ever played. The only difference between me and them is they've got virtually limitless amounts of money and don't have to worry about getting caught.

    25. Re:Smurftastic! by fritsd · · Score: 2

      There is precedent in the Amsterdam city archive keeping track of what religion everyone had. That was also only data collection, with only beneficial purpose. Then the government ahem "changed", and they sent a group of SSers over to write down where all the Jews lived.

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    26. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? They were made to fit someone's fancy in the first place.

    27. Re:Smurftastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have tricked you American idiots into thinking "we are under siege by bad guys".

      The truth is, 9/11 was manufactured by your Saudi "Allies".

      In other words, your country is corrupt to the bone.

      And I suspect Putin plays a similar game. Otherwise he would put some cruise missiles into Mecca.

  4. So what. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People seem to be freaking out that all these capabilities exist when anyone with half a wit or more knew that this was all possible.

    The question is regarding the set of controls over how and when this is done.

    I mean, by golly, did you know that 5 years ago they could listen in on your phone conversations and even determine where you were located when you were making the phone call?!

    Carrying on about these capabilities (as opposed to the way they are used) is going to look as quaint to people in 20 years as the above concern about land-line phone calls looks now.

    1. Re:So what. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      I mean, by golly, did you know that 5 years ago they could listen in on your phone conversations and even determine where you were located when you were making the phone call?!

      I mean, by golly, did you know that 50 years ago they could listen in on your phone conversations and even determine where you were located when you were making the phone call?!

      Not quite as meaningul 5 years ago, lol.

    2. Re:So what. by bob_super · · Score: 2

      But but... Hollywood keeps telling me I have 59 seconds before they can complete the trace?

    3. Re:So what. by bob_super · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but it's only in the last couple decades that they've been able to regroup all the data from all the forms of communication attached to every single user.
      The scale of the task used to keep people focused on potential targets. Now it's about having everything on everyone, because nobody ever got fired for having too much data when shit happens.

    4. Re:So what. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The question is regarding the set of controls over how and when this is done."

      Yes, about those... The secret ones, that you'd need access to secret information to verify compliance with, based on a classified interpretation of a massive hodgepodge of assorted laws, executive orders, and precedents, as interpreted by a secret court that doesn't release opinions and hears only testimony from the state agents requesting authorization? Those ones... Forgive me if I'm... less than 100% reassured.

      Internal regulation and discipline can't even keep the officers of Hickville PD from periodic abuses that end up drawing big civil suits, and those guys are both nearly powerless and highly vulnerable to 3rd party scrutiny. Why would anyone expect 'controls' on an agency that can just stamp 'Double Top Secret' on anything embarassing and bury it forever to be more than a joke for the break room?

    5. Re:So what. by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      They can't stop the officers of Hickville PD mostly because the community doesn't really have a problem with the abuses of Hickville PD.

      You see, the citizens of Hickville don't much like African Americans or other minorities very much, they wouldn't say that to your face, but it the cops are hassling people, well they're probably criminals. Because they're in Hickville, the residents of Hickville are the only people who regularly see what they're doing and since those same residents actually approve of what they're doing nothing happens.

    6. Re:So what. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And people outside US see US through that same lenses. They are all thinking, we (US Citizens) are getting what we deserve.

    7. Re: So what. by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      That wasn't even close to my point. The police in Hicksville are doing what the residents if Hicksville want them to do which is crack down on undesirables. They wouldn't for one second get away with treating the town majority like that. It's not lck of oversight or the fact that control measures don't work. Not for the NSA, and not for the Hicksville PD, it's that we don't really want criminals to have civil rights because civil rights get in the way of arresting them.

    8. Re:So what. by fritsd · · Score: 1

      Just the data is not very useful in itself, but the last couple of decades have also seen great progress in Machine Learning, Bayesian statistics, Neural Networks etc. etc.

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  5. Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Funny
    I, May of 2000, President Clinton unscrambled GPS for civilian usage.

    I always wondered why he did this. To create the GPS industry? I don't think so. Instead I think it was with the full knowledge that in a short time, the NSA could track people using it.

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    1. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Kardos · · Score: 1

      What? GPS receivers don't transmit. How do you track a GPS receiver?

    2. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A GPS receiver which is part of a phone/computer with multiple transmitters? Gee, that DOES seem really hard to do.

    3. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What? GPS receivers don't transmit. How do you track a GPS receiver?

      You don't(well, somebody with an indistinguishable-from-magic antenna array and a truck full of DSPs might be able to pick up some effect of your antenna and RF circuitry against background; but it'd be dubiously practical at best); but a great many GPS receivers are connected to cellphones that are delightfully cooperative about providing those data for you. Now, even without GPS, cell tower triangulation would provide rough data; but GPS neatens it up nicely.

    4. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by tbuddy · · Score: 1

      It was because it was largely useless to use selective availability at the time as the only people who were punished were those using low grade GPS receivers. Military wasn't subject to it and golf courses, surveyors, and our enemies could get around it via base stations.I'm sure this is intentionally paranoid but a GPS is essentially nothing more than a clock, with more expensive GPS being better clocks.

    5. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      I, May of 2000, President Clinton unscrambled GPS for civilian usage.

      I always wondered why he did this. To create the GPS industry? I don't think so. Instead I think it was with the full knowledge that in a short time, the NSA could track people using it.

      Not exactly. GPS was always available for public usage, they just turn off "selective availability", which increased the accuracy of civilian GPS (from the ~50 meter accuracy down to meter or sub-meter accuracy).

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    6. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by csumpi · · Score: 1

      uhhmmm. yeah. the gps receiver doesn't transmit. but your phone, hooked to a gps receiver, does. now go back and read the article again.

    7. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What? GPS receivers don't transmit. How do you track a GPS receiver?

      People keep saying this, but even putting aside cellphones (which obviously transmit this information frequently), unless you're very careful with the (often repetitive) privacy questions, your car GPS (which is what most people think of as a "gps") will transmit history every time you plug it in to update it.

    8. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by nctritech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is why the FIRMWARE of phone radio CPUs needs to be fully open-sourced. Until they are, there is no way to audit them for privacy concerns nor modify them to close such loopholes.

    9. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by jddeluxe · · Score: 2

      While they don't transmit, per se, if GPS is enabled (and sometimes even if disabled) the most recent GPS fix is typically stored in memory.

    10. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? GPS receivers don't transmit. How do you track a GPS receiver?

      No but your cell phone does transmit, ever wonder why the government REQUIRED all cell phones to be GPS enabled? It was very hard to track the old analog phones, that is why the government MANDATED that all analog cell service end.

    11. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by thelexx · · Score: 1

      While I don't agree with the op's premise, if you encourage civilian devices to use it while knowing you can tap or otherwise access all the logs of the receiving devices (vehicles/OnStar, phones), then...?

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    12. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All cell phones have GPS for E-911 compliance. People calling 911 on a cell phone often tend to forget or are unable to tell the dispatcher where they are. The E-911 system uses the GPS integrated into the phone to allow the dispatcher to pinpoint the callers location. The E-911 mandate increased public safety and has saved lives.

      Analog cell service ended because it is an inefficient use of spectrum and cell phone companies could carry more simultaneous phone calls per cell site with digital. Battery life was also much better with digital. Most of the digital TDMA and CDMA from the 1990's up the early 2000's had no GPS receivers. The FCC issued an order requiring cell phone companies to keep analog running much longer than those companies would have liked. So thank the federal government for keeping analog running for years after it was considered entirely obsolete.

      Now that I have completely debunked your paranoid fear-mongering with some facts, would you please take off your tin foil hat.

    13. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by swillden · · Score: 1

      This is why the FIRMWARE of phone radio CPUs needs to be fully open-sourced. Until they are, there is no way to audit them for privacy concerns nor modify them to close such loopholes.

      Either the firmware didn't have spyware built in or the NSA's slides are misinformation, describing rootkits they didn't actually need to create in order to keep us from worrying about bugged firmware. Oh, and they must have planted this misinformation expecting that Snowden (or someone like him) would leak it.

      I'm not discounting your concern, firmware is a nice vector for such spyware. But this particular data release is fairly strong evidence against it being a real problem, at least in the recent past.

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    14. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but that will make it harder for google to lock people in to android.

    15. Re: Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do when they are in a smartphone and you 1. get served "advertisements", 2. use Google Maps or other major map service.

      This is of course done to "improve the user experience" and NSA has nothing to do with it.

      Whoever thought this up is brilliant. Get humans to pay for their own surveillance and make it financially incentivized to do more of it! Bravo, I tip my hat, Sir.

    16. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      This is why the FIRMWARE of phone radio CPUs needs to be fully open-sourced. Until they are, there is no way to audit them for privacy concerns nor modify them to close such loopholes.

      "Fully open sourced" means at best you get the source code for what is claimed to be the firmware. The question is whether an open source or close source implementation makes it harder for an attacker to insert malicious code. Obviously assuming that the attack code would be in the source code that you get is more than naÃve.

    17. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      Now let me demystify your comment good sir, this time with some actual facts: The FCC order doesn't explicitly require phones with GPS at all, it requires the telco ultimately provide 50ft accuracy on location, then by 2018 they'll issue a deadline on when any device capable of calling 911 requires GPS.

      Source: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/F...

    18. Re: Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since that firmware is updatable, one could flash the open source firmware in.

    19. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I suspect that (particularly when dealing with foreign subjects; but in general because they don't have many field agents) the NSA prefers full-featured rootkits; but agencies with more boots and fewer nerds are known to have taken advantage of the weaknesses of cellular firmware.

      In this case, for instance, (atypically well documented, because of the court spat; but probably also occurs more quietly elsewhere), the FBI set up a stingray, then had verizon do a silent PRL push that reconfigured the target's cell modem to switch over to the stingray as its preferred tower. That isn't even an 'exploit', in the sense that PRLs are supposed to be able to do that, and carriers are supposed to be able to push them, and it still adds up to a fairly hairy security problem.

    20. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Very interesting. Having open source firmware is irrelevant if the authorities can simply and silently replace it at will.

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    21. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The PRL isn't the firmware itself, it's a configuration file that instructs the firmware what towers to use (and a suitably paranoid OSS firmware would presumably at least tell you about the PRL push, and ideally apply heuristics to warn you about salient details, like "Hey, you just got a PRL push, and the PRL includes a tower that didn't exist at all last week. Isn't that interesting?", in sort of the same way that various SSL bandaid techniques try to warn you about SSL certs changing when they shouldn't). It is a good example, though, of the degree to which the cell system is build around trusting the network, as well as the rather dangerous things you can do without even qualifying as an 'exploit', though researchers say that cell basebands are held together largely by obscurity, spit, and duct tape, so exploits can't be safely ruled out.

      A trusted firmware would be an improvement; but I'm personally a bit skeptical about anything being enough to safely interact with a cell network. The connection between subscriber ID (at least at the level of 'SIM with ID XYZ', the degree to which that correlates to a human varies by jurisdiction), location (at least at the level of tower triangulation, possibly E911-compliant, or GPS provided), and latency-sensitive network activity (difficult to route over TOR) is a lot of strikes against it. With untrusted firmware and dubious OSes, it's a total loss; but it's a dangerous game in the best of cases.

    22. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And unless you yourself compile and put that firmware on your phone's CPU, how do you know the source that's released is the same program as comes with your phone??

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    23. Re:Ever wonder why US unscrambled GPS Signals. by nctritech · · Score: 1

      You don't, but then again this applies to every piece of equipment that has any kind of computer code running on it, from NIC firmware to entire operating systems and software suites (TrueCrypt came under fire for precisely this line of reasoning, and comments on /. TrueCrypt posts go into great depth about it.) What this does allow you to do is to check the compiled code already in firmware against the source code and see if there are discrepancies between them that should set off red flags. If you find an unaccounted-for function in the firmware code, alarm bells can be set off and everyone will know that something is amok.

  6. I stopped using smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully the open source phones catch up, because right now carrying around a general purpose computing device you have no control over thanks to the carriers strikes me as an astoundingly bad idea.

    1. Re:I stopped using smartphones by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Hopefully the open source phones catch up, because right now carrying around a general purpose computing device you have no control over thanks to the carriers strikes me as an astoundingly bad idea.

      Having a phone whose OS is either compromised or deliberately acting against you is obviously unhelpful; but unless you control the baseband you are pretty much fucked regardless of the OS. Cell networks are fundamentally pretty hostile in terms of how much control is held by the network or at very low levels in the baseband, rather than where you can actually see it.

    2. Re:I stopped using smartphones by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Hopefully the open source phones catch up, because right now carrying around a general purpose computing device you have no control over thanks to the carriers strikes me as an astoundingly bad idea.

      Having a phone whose OS is either compromised or deliberately acting against you is obviously unhelpful; but unless you control the baseband you are pretty much fucked regardless of the OS. Cell networks are fundamentally pretty hostile in terms of how much control is held by the network or at very low levels in the baseband, rather than where you can actually see it.

      Sometimes you just have to hope for the best.

      I like having a smart phone (and Android tablet), I was able to root the tablet before it became illegal. The phone calls out from the tablet (cyanogenmod ROM) that has Droid Firewall and permissions denied; the tablet through a router firewall. So no cell towers (if that helps much).

      Hiding from NSA is or was never a goal, but from advertisers, while having everything at my disposal all the time, calendar, games, videos, and mostly the camera. I go to a parts store anymore, hold up my camera and say I need this :}.

      While a smart phone isn't necessary for it, it's just nice to be able to call anybody at any time, still remember scouting for phone booths at times with little luck.

      Sometimes the best isn't always a goal, two things I still won't do with my cell phone (tablet) is transfer money from an open account (money cards ok) or use them for my Email. Email is more prevention (malware) than eves dropping. I expect my Email to arrive as text, reading it in HTML being my decision; still using Forté Agent 1.93 just for that reason (Windows).

      Trust is also missing from a mobile device in a way that just occurred to me, Cell phone or tablet, I don't have one website I'm able to auto log-on to. Fact, I rarely if ever log onto a web site mobility, ya, the camera I carry it for the camera - changed stroke mid pool (Grin)

        if avoiding NSA were my goal, it's been referenced already as the "Eye of Sauron" :}

  7. Big surprise (NOT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The permissions system in Android is and has been a joke since the beginning. I would never use it as is.

    I install F-wall for fine-grained control of network permissions on per-app basis. I don't use any "cloud-based" applications (Google, Facebook, etc). There ARE FOSS alternatives.

      * K-9 mail (IMAP mail)
      * Calendar Sync Adapter (plugs into Android's calendar and enables sync to a Caldav server. It's early in development but works for me)
      * Firefox

    We spent 25 years getting rid of Windows and it's ugly .exe-world and now we're quickly replacing it with something even worse. It's deeply tragic from a security point of view.

    1. Re: Big surprise (NOT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your summary of what you do and don't use. That has helped us further refine our incomplete profile on you and connect additional data into your master record.

      Yours sincerely,
      National Security Agency

  8. Don't buy from US companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't use their products. The move away from US technology has only just begun.

    1. Re:Don't buy from US companies by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      Shut up you fucking dunce. What are you going to buy, Chinese products? Or maybe you can buy from one of the other altruistic nation states, amirite?

    2. Re:Don't buy from US companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese phones have BigBrother software intended for tracking Chinese citizens. This spyware probably won't work well from US providers. I bet Chinese phones are actually more secure in the US, and I also suspect the converse is true.

    3. Re:Don't buy from US companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots harder for Chinese spies to come over and screw up my life than it is for American spies. Today, knowing or not knowing about backdoors and hacked products, I'd buy Chinese over American beause we all know that US tech is all built in China, anyway. And, for sure, none of our data is going to be sitting in a data-centre "cloud" in the US. Screw that. So, ya, I believe it's probably best to not use US products.

    4. Re: Don't buy from US companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Chinese products. They are cheaper too!

  9. Angry Birds by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    One article I read phrased this as the NSA spying on Angry Birds use. Come to think of it, it makes sense! You are launching projectiles (birds) at "buildings" (the pigs' structures) to cause casualties (pigs). The black bird's even a bomb that blows himself up. The Angry Birds are terrorists!!!

    --
    My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    1. Re:Angry Birds by bob_super · · Score: 2

      I approve the part about the pigs being the target.

    2. Re:Angry Birds by fritsd · · Score: 1

      Because they're "capitalist pigs", or because they're haram?
      Never mind either case, you're on the watchlist now, Bob.--Meat packaging lobbyist group of America

      --
      To be, or not to be: isn't that quite logical, Slashdot Beta?
  10. Cyanogenmod Privacy Guard by emil · · Score: 1

    Does this feature have any ability to secure a phone?

    I take no small pleasure in doing this to Facebook.

    1. Re:Cyanogenmod Privacy Guard by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      You need to think of the NSA as the "Eye of Sauron" Sauron had immense power, but without focus it was spread weakly across the world. But when the Eye was pointed your way, whoa unto you. You can't secure your phone against the NSA. If you get their attention they will have everything. This is the way it will be until the evil is destroyed.

    2. Re:Cyanogenmod Privacy Guard by nctritech · · Score: 1

      I would specifically like to see this gain the ability to spoof or randomly generate phone ID data for that "read phone identity and number" permission. That'd be pretty fun.

  11. So... by DigitAl56K · · Score: 1

    now can we encrypt all traffic by default?

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now can we encrypt all traffic by default?

      Why do you hate our Freedoms?

    2. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you may. For maximum security we recommend that you use an encryption standard from the NIST.

      Yours sincerely,
      National Security Agency

    3. Re:So... by Burz · · Score: 1

      There is one way... http://geti2p.net/

      They have an android version in alpha, too, but its mainly a PC/server networking layer.

      The thing to remember about plain encryption is that it still shows a lot of metadata: the Who, When, and Where of all your communications. It should be paired with an anonymizing network layer like I2P if you want to minimize leakage of that info.

    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you're rooted, encrypting does nothing but give a false sense of security.

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you're rooted, encrypting does nothing but give a false sense of security.

      Enough with this ancient bullshit about "sense of security" already!

  12. Re:Of course it's Google Maps by gmuslera · · Score: 0

    The difference between Windows and android phones is that they must install a backdoor in the android ones.

  13. And the collusion continues.... by Anachragnome · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the following linked article:
    "During a recent interview session I had with Mikko Hypponen, the chief research officer for digital security company F-Secure Corp, he shared that he was friends with the men behind Rovio, the creators behind another massive success story--Angry Birds."

    http://www.thestar.com.my/stor...

    A couple of years ago I tried, in earnest, to inform Mikko Hypponen of evidence I had acquired (first-hand) that proved that Sony Entertainment was gathering data from computers that had Sony software installed, after being referred to him by Mark Russinovich (of Microsoft/Sysinternals fame). I was stone-walled completely, even after providing crash-dumps that held all the evidence he needed to go public-- now, I know why.

    1. Re:And the collusion continues.... by Anti-Social+Network · · Score: 1

      Wow. As much as I liked the TED talks the guy gave that put him firmly in the anti-NSA camp, I wonder what his scruples say about this potential conflict of interest (considering how much info Angry Birds sends back to the mothership...). If you weren't already at +5 I would mod you up.

      --
      Goddammit just when I get my first +5 the Beta rolls out and kills everything
    2. Re:And the collusion continues.... by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      The folks behind the tracking...

      According to Rovio's own site, they use Flurry for data acquisition:

      "In addition to the information covered above, we use Flurry Analytics in most games to collect gameplay-related information and technical data. This is a common analytics component, used widely in mobile gaming - for more information see www.flurry.com."

      From the Flurry site, one will find the following code used by "Angry Birds" to track users:

      http://support.flurry.com/sdkd...

      Above code is part of larger cache of code documentation related to Flurry Analytics:

      http://support.flurry.com/inde...

    3. Re:And the collusion continues.... by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      I think someone at Rovio is pissed...

      At the bottom of this page at the Rovio website...

      http://www.rovio.com/en/news/b... ...are four links to further information regarding privacy policies and FAQs, including a link to The New York Times privacy policy page...WTF?

      http://www.nytimes.com/content...

      If you'll scroll down the section titled "Analytics Technologies", you'll see that The New York Times uses Flurry to track their users, just like Rovio does.

      "We use Localytics and Flurry to track and report on the usage and browsing patterns on some of our mobile applications." (my emphasis)

      In light of the fact that The New York Times were one of the three media outlets that initially released the Snowden documents regarding Rovio tracking users of "Angry Birds" for the NSA, the irony of their articles only now becomes apparent.

      I'm guessing Rovio added that link to the NYT privacy statement fairly recently (like, yesterday), but I don't have a cache of that page to know for sure.

      But, yeah...Pot, meet Kettle.

    4. Re:And the collusion continues.... by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      Apparently, The Guardian uses Flurry as well.

      http://www.theguardian.com/hel...

      "Please visit audiencescience.com/privacy.asp, quantcast.com/privacy and flurry.com/privacy-policy.html for the privacy policy of our online behavioural targeting technology providers."(again, my emphasis)

      A quick look at the Propublica privacy policy shows that they use Google, for what that's worth.

  14. ASOP has Google market issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's fix it, there are some really great roms out there. Rooting for wireless Tether is VITAL. And another killer app, though it may seem minor it makes a huge difference, is the ability to change tracks in your pocket without looking at the phone at all. Using long press on the volume keys.
     
      Down with surveillance, the NSA has been given broad authority with NOTHING to show for it. Time to lock down everything they don't admit they are spying on... I don't want NSA people to have all the best pick up lines, that'd be evil.
     
      And their manchurian candidate with access to the opponent's copy of Microsoft Office and Powerpoint can't be beat using conventional politics.

  15. I Would Favor This by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    The shame of it is, if I felt that the NSA was obeying the law, not watching people but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized, I would favor this capability.

    Though let me be clear here; by "probable cause", I mean that a substantial percentage of the people who pass the probable cause bar wind up being found guilty. The notion that anyone crossing the border is subject to search, for example, doesn't pass the test.

    1. Re:I Would Favor This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason this kind of power is so dangerous is that you cannot and will never have these assurances. They'll always hold all the cards and you will be obligated to take them at their word. I'm not seeing any scenario anywhere involving any government, corporation or other organization (or individual for that matter), even one that is ostensibly benevolent, in which I could view an assurance of good will but no transparency with anything but deep incredulity. And the really disconcerting thing is that some (many) people these days call that paranoid or dismiss it in a similar way.

    2. Re:I Would Favor This by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      Of course people crossing a border pass that test. US Customs was created and empowered to search people crossing the borders by the people who actually created the constitution. Searching people and objects entering your country is something that law enforcement is empowered to do in every single country on earth and has always been empowered to do in every single country on earth.

    3. Re:I Would Favor This by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      >> Though let me be clear here; by "probable cause", I mean that a substantial percentage of the people who pass the probable cause bar wind up being found guilty. The notion that anyone crossing the border is subject to search, for example, doesn't pass the test.

      > Searching people and objects entering your country is something that law enforcement is empowered to do in every single country on earth and has always been empowered to do in every single country on earth.

      I wasn't very clear. I was saying that crossing the border itself doesn't establish probable cause for a search under any reasonable definition of probable cause. It may be that there are justifiable reasons to grant the border agents the authority to search everyone, or that probable cause for a search may rise from a person's actions at the border. It may be that granting border agents broad discretion is necessary because it may be impossible for them to articulate or to defend at court their reasons for becoming suspicious. But the notion that crossing the border is itself probable cause to suspect that a crime has been committed is ridiculous.

  16. software you don't control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This perpetual slide towards software we have less and less control over is NOT a good thing for us. Everyone buying into it is a chump.

    Yes, it's true that the cell tower can collect your phone's location even if you have a trustworthy software stack. But that's better than collecting your phone's location AND everything you ever do with your phone's software.

    But go ahead people. Keep buying the shiny cages. I mean, it's worked out so well so far.

  17. Go Virtual by bigwheel · · Score: 1

    It seems like time to revisit virtualization within smartphones. Set up a VM with a bogus profile, and use that as a walled sandbox to run any questionable games or apps. If necessary, direct that VM's network traffic through an Internet proxy.

  18. NSA caught by targets that NSA wants to mention by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The NSA has 15 such cases that they feel like telling congress about. These are a few of the cases where the target caught on or the employee was otherwise busted. Given Snowden, it's reasonable to think NSA employees can do a lot without being caught.

    As a rough guesttimate, maybe 1 / 20 who snoop on the woman they fantasize about get caught. How many of those are reported to Clapper? One in four? How many does Clapper want to tell Congress about? Maybe 1/4 of the ones he knows about?

    So as a rough guess, 15 X 20 X 4 X 4 = 2,400 NSA employees have been spying on women they have a crush on.

    1. Re:NSA caught by targets that NSA wants to mention by russotto · · Score: 1

      As a rough guesttimate, maybe 1 / 20 who snoop on the woman they fantasize about get caught.

      The really clever ones fantasize about women who might actually be terrorists and spies. They never get caught.

  19. mod up. They used to target key suspects. by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed, that's the difference. When they had to show up with a warrant for a specific individual and have agents sit and listen, they did that for high value suspects. Now it's all of us, all the time, who are the targets.

  20. China doesn't know it's shipping phones to the US? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Chinese phones have BigBrother software intended for tracking Chinese citizens. This spyware probably won't work well from US providers.

    I suspect the Chinese have noticed that they're shipping millions of phones to their #1 rival, the US.
    Notice are set up in English. It's beyond trivial for the Chinese to set export phones to English language and US region backdoor.

  21. Biased legal system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, if I do this as a private individual I get arrested, but the NSA is off the hook?

  22. Suspicions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have bought an SSH app for my WP8 phone. For all I know I have given keys to my kingdom to the NSA, organized criminals, or both.

  23. WEARABLES BECOME TRACKABLES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may refuse and dont want a GPS bracelet on your ankle or wrist but that is what you will have. A dog collar for all of your LIFE.

    WEARABLES, it's the future... (not your future as you have non in your digital cage) :)

    1. Re:WEARABLES BECOME TRACKABLES by MildlyTangy · · Score: 1

      You may refuse and dont want a GPS bracelet on your ankle or wrist but that is what you will have. A dog collar for all of your LIFE.

      WEARABLES, it's the future... (not your future as you have non in your digital cage) :)

      Dont want a GPS bracelet tracking your every move?
      Dont wear one.

      It is optional to wear one ( unless you commit heinous crimes ).

      The question becomes, do you *need* to wear one?
      Today: not really.
      The future: would be a 'nice to have' and cheap as chips. But probably still optional.

      Your phone has a GPS too and ou can be tracked via cellular triangulation, so if you are worried about tracking, you might as well not have a mobile phone at all.

      TLDR: Dont worry, you are allowed to not buy one.

  24. Classified markings by JeanCroix · · Score: 1

    If those Powerpoint slides are legit, then someone inside the NSA is seriously negligent in proper portion marking of classified documents. That's a security violation right there.

  25. This is close to treachery by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    Surely the existence of these abilities is a useful power in meaningful intelligence activity, so its revelation does make the NSA less effective in its legitimate work. The whole debate is always sailing close to this line; to me these revelations are over the line, unlike a lot of the earlier ones.

  26. You read /. so you already knew this right? by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 4, Informative

    The file "Computer_Forensics_for_Prosecutors_(2013)_Part_1".pdf has this gem in it.

    "Users of mobile devices and cloud storage sign off on their rights to data scanning, There is no opt-out option."

    This file showed up when a question of True Crypt being back doored came up, as out of the blue it mentions it is; if not set up correctly I would tend to agree.

    Page 16 http://www.techarp.com/article...
    article lies about Phil ZImermann but the only place I could find the file.

    1. Re:You read /. so you already knew this right? by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      "Page 16 http://www.techarp.com/article..."

      Mod up Informative, please.

    2. Re:You read /. so you already knew this right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This file showed up when a question of True Crypt being back doored came up, as out of the blue it mentions it is

      WTF?
      "Vendors are legally and commercially prevented from
      acknowledging their backdoors. Defense will not be
      able to prove their existence

      The files can be described as “forensically obtained" "

    3. Re:You read /. so you already knew this right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if not set up correctly I would tend to agree.

      What does the set up have to do with it? If the backdoor is built-in already, it's built in. Right?

    4. Re:You read /. so you already knew this right? by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

      if not set up correctly I would tend to agree.

      What does the set up have to do with it? If the backdoor is built-in already, it's built in. Right?

      Page 15 of the PDF mentioned...

      What is a backdoor?

      A method to bypass data encryption or security.

      Blah blah blah

      "Currently available for major encryption software - Microsoft
      BitLocker, FIleVault, BestCrypt, TrueCrypt, etc." - the paragraph is a direct quote.

      ------------- True Crypt shouldn't of been added/listed -----------------

      First TrueCrypt hasn't been backdoored. The fact they even mentioned it I figure
      if it's setup up wrong it can be accessed, or worry you.

      I reinstall OS's a lot, I had a TrueCrypt volume but after switching OS's it never would
      show again. (I didn't try to recover it).

      Given it's the opposite of back dooring, but I lost a lot of work in the process. That's when
      I felt I should RTFM. One needs to be very careful with TrueCrypt, NTFS isn't that secure, and
      TrueCrypt will tell you that, In fact a lot of precautions are required

      ----- Not back doored by reading memory block ------

      A recent /. article mentioned TrueCrypt was back doored by reading a memory block.
      http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

      A post and link by MidSpeck negated the claim:

      "Still working as intended
      by MidSpeck (1516577)
      While good to know these types of attacks exist, TrueCrypt's security model is still holding strong. http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/... "

      Which states, "TrueCrypt does not:
      Encrypt or secure any portion of RAM (the main memory of a computer)."

      ----
      True Crypt needs to be audited to set matters straight once and for all.

      A lot of disinformation is being released to where one doesn't know what to believe.

    5. Re:You read /. so you already knew this right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have an OS (Windows, Linux) kernel (or X11) exploit, Truecrypt certainly can be subverted. ANY program (including GNUpg and openssl) can be subverted if you own the CPU.

  27. This called hacking ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and it is a felony in the USA.

    1. Re:This called hacking ... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Not if the government does it. The government doesn't have to follow the laws it passes for we the peasants.

  28. easy to circumvent by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 2

    I often type in and drive to strip clubs and card rooms just to throw the NSA off since those searches are in complete contradiction of my choir boy profile.

    --
    Twelve-and-three-quarter inches. Unyielding. This wand belonged to Bellatrix Lestrange.
    1. Re:easy to circumvent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you sly devil, I do the same exact same thing, except i actually enter the bars

  29. unknown unknown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically everyone needs to deal with the risk of multiple entry points into the organisation .... How anyone will deal with the security risk assessment is beyond me.

  30. All that trouble... by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Just to get a picture of my dong. They could have just asked, I mean, if it was for national security and all that...

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  31. This whole Snowden thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is really fucked up
    Do we not have better things to think about?

  32. If it's on the phone... ? by Dripdry · · Score: 1

    "If it's on the phone..."
    Oh yeah? Not if I don't have a smart phone with data, you can't.

    Still not gonna give in.

    --
    -
  33. President Obama: Pervert N Chief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it slowly come out.

    Mr. Obama the "President N Chief."

    His demands for minute-by-minute information on all U.S.A. citizens and all Not-U.S.A. citizens is nothing more than to satisfy his pervert fetishes.

    Well Mr. Pervert N Chief, I hope your masturbations soothe the "Executive" and are service payable from the U.S.A. Treasury.

    Obama goes from 'First Stoner' to 'First Masturbator.'

    Ha ha

    Sad but true
    You are You

  34. this is targeting civilians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anybody with anything to lose would never trust any application to which they didn't have the source code. This targets US civilians, period. If you're filthy rich, you're one of us.

  35. Make it expensive for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Abandon smart phones, and carry a 'dumb' one, preferably chinese multi-sim. Make sure you change numbers often.
    Then change carriers every 2nd month, take on those free trials to switch etc.
    Send SMS's like I cant discuss that on the phone - meet me at location woodpecker at 4pm (and remove battery out of phone at 3.45) for 1/2 hour.
    Message like 'Import private key on page 452 line 21, ICQ page 210 line 4, action red book, page 9, parra 12.
    then 1 month later 'Pick you up at kindergarten at 3pm'. People who KNOW they are under observation change their habbits.
    So happy to think a Utah mormon wasted hours investigation 'The reindeers graze lightly on the rooftop'. The 2 hours later southpark S17 episode 1. How dare they wire up Santa! .

  36. i guess all those tv shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    aren't fiction after all. ;(

  37. I'd watch the woman with the dragon tattoo by raymorris · · Score: 1

    That lady with the dragon tattoo seems like a spy.
    I'll keep an eye on her.

  38. Yet another reason to dump iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The documents do set out in great detail exactly how much information can be collected from widely popular apps. One document held on GCHQ's internal Wikipedia-style guide for staff details what can be collected from different apps. Though it uses Android apps for most of its examples, it suggests much of the same data could be taken from equivalent apps on iPhone or other platforms.

    The GCHQ documents set out examples of what information can be extracted from different ad platforms, using perhaps the most popular mobile phone game of all time, Angry Birds – which has reportedly been downloaded more than 1.7bn times – as a case study.

    From some app platforms, relatively limited, but identifying, information such as exact handset model, the unique ID of the handset, software version, and similar details are all that are transmitted.

    Other apps choose to transmit much more data, meaning the agency could potentially net far more. One mobile ad platform, Millennial Media, appeared to offer particularly rich information. Millennial Media's website states it has partnered with Rovio on a special edition of Angry Birds; with Farmville maker Zynga; with Call of Duty developer Activision, and many other major franchises."

    iOS has disabled this kind of tracking , but it's still in theory possible to use the same kind of tracking you'd get from a user on a laptop or desktop because it's much harder to delete caches and cookies on iOS. BUT... iOS doesn't support flash, which is where the majority of tracking happens. You should be disabling or at least "click to run" flash on desktops for the same reason.

    Android is such a mess, that if you bought an Android device (or it was the free throw-away) you've likely already been tracked by the NSA even if you don't live in the US because it only takes one app that sends unencrypted data over the wire to do it. Hence the reference to Google Maps, which is used by default on Android devices.

    There's some fantastic irony in that Apple dumping Google Maps in favor of it's own actually made iOS more secure.

  39. Too simplistic by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

    Even if you could setup a VM-like environment, you are wasting your time. First, you can't hack the 2nd cpu in the phone, which is the one that does the cell-tower comms, and how the backdoors can be loaded into the phone, and secondly, they don't really need to do the backdoor route because your data traffic is what reveals most of the info they are looking for. The only way to secure a cell phone is to place it in a faraday cage, embedded in concrete, and deep-sixed in the ocean.

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    You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
  40. Lipstick on a pig by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

    Security theatre. It will help with privacy from the perspective of not giving away lots of info to a particular app maker, but it will do nothing to stop what NSA/GCHQ is doing.

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    You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
  41. If it bothers you that NSA may spying on you while by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    playing Angry Birds, mayhaps enraging you (?); you have nobody to blame but yourself. Ok, NSA shouldn't be grabbing your www.Rivo.com (Angry Bird)
    data, but the truth is they are just double dipping what Rivo.com has already collected. The reason Angry Birds is mentioned is it's ToS. Do yourself a favor and read it, You'll find it at www.rovio.com.

    When I say ToS, I mean everything; Privacy Policy, EULA and any other practice of using your private info - to me the phrase "ToS" covers it all.

    I read ToS's and if I disagree with them, refuse to use their services (FaceBook.com) or take measures to block parts I'm able to. www.rovio.com was one of the worst ToS, I'd ever read from a company who's sole purpose is pushing Angry Birds and many other popular on-line applications to collect data for various reasons,
    One being ADs tailored to you -if you pay for the application or game, it has no effect on the data mined from you, maybe just block an ad or two, others have use
    for the data mined and www.rovio.com comes across as the company more than able to supply it to them.

    When I first read their ToS, Rivo mentioned they send "some information overseas" that was all that was said, what was sent, by what route and just who was overseas all omitted. Apparently www.rovio.com was using data mining practices only allowed somewhere "overseas".

    I've just scaned Rivo's ToS for first time in a year or more, was a chore removing all the blocks. I didn't reread it, just a searched for the word overseas, which was missing; I assume redefining it to allow Overseas to be omitting, Last updated: October 2013

  42. Re:If it bothers you that NSA may spying on you wh by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    I use www.rovio.com as a poster child of what a bad ToS reads like, Rovio uses the www.nytimes.com's privacy policy :} - to show it's "in fine company, or they aren't the only ones doing it. http://www.rovio.com/en/news/b... bottom of the list. www.rovio.com also taught me of Flurry.com - one thing about www.rovio.com they covered everybody in the chain, very helpful editing one's HOSTS file. Missing of course: "overseas".

    After reading Rovio's ToS - to opt out is done by cookies, you can never remove another cookie, it's best to use a HOSTS file - except for www.Flurry.com which is Google's on-line Analytics. To block Flurry.com you must request to opt out (I can't find the address for obvious reasons - Google: flurry.com opt out

    You will need a rather hard to find mobile number "Android ID" is required for that https://play.google.com/store/... contrary to a review posted you don't opt out of www.rovio.com this way, use a router firewall, which your most likely using to connect to the Internet with and add www.rovio.com.

    Each time you Change Roms, unlock, root, jail break or whatever you call owning your mobile device you will need to opt out from Flurry.com again (your ID will of changed).

    It's a lot to type; but if you stayed with it and it help you, worth it.

  43. All American-Israeli Consumer Hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..is subverted. Face the hard truth.

    The 1% need to control the 99% of plebeijans. And a lot of "old fart" IT guys knew this little gem for a long time.

  44. Re:China doesn't know it's shipping phones to the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huawei was not obedient enough to put in backdoors for the Anglos, so NSA blacklisted them in the US. At least, thats my guess.

  45. Don't you know ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Putin's secret email address is BigBadBear@googlemail.com. He sends all state and military commands via this email account. NSA only tracks Putin when they fuck 500 million gmail users !

    Plus, whenever he makes war, he is planning by using google maps ! Then he and the Russian general staff share their command documentation and plans via Google docs !