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The Human Body May Not Be Cut Out For Space

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "The human body did not evolve to live in space, and the longest any human has been off Earth is 437 days. Some problems, like the brittling of bone, may have been overcome already. Others have been identified — for example, astronauts have trouble eating and sleeping enough — and NASA is working to understand and solve them. But Kenneth Chang reports in the NY Times that there are some health problems that still elude doctors more than 50 years after the first spaceflight. The biggest hurdle remains radiation. Without the protective cocoon of Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere, astronauts receive substantially higher doses of radiation, heightening the chances that they will die of cancer. Another problem identified just five years ago is that the eyeballs of at least some astronauts became somewhat squashed. 'It is now a recognized occupational hazard of spaceflight,' says Dr. Barratt. 'We uncovered something that has been right under our noses forever.' NASA officials often talk about the 'unknown unknowns,' the unforeseen problems that catch them by surprise. The eye issue caught them by surprise, and they are happy it did not happen in the middle of a mission to Mars. Another problem is the lack of gravity jumbles the body's neurovestibular system (PDF) that tells people which way is up. When returning to the pull of gravity, astronauts can become dizzy, something that Mark Kelly took note of as he piloted the space shuttle to a landing. 'If you tilt your head a little left or right, it feels like you're going end over end.' Beyond the body, there is also the mind. The first six months of Scott Kelly's one-year mission are expected to be no different from his first trip to the space station. Dr. Gary E. Beven, a NASA psychiatrist, says he is interested in whether anything changes in the next six months. 'We're going to be looking for any significant changes in mood, in sleep, in irritability, in cognition.' In a Russian experiment in 2010 and 2011, six men agreed to be sealed up in a mock spaceship simulating a 17-month Mars mission. Four of the six developed disorders, and the crew became less active as the experiment progressed. 'I think that's just an example of what could potentially happen during a Mars mission, but with much greater consequence,' says Dr. Beven. 'Those subtle changes in group cohesion could cause major problems.'"

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  1. The solution may be simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The solution may be much simpler than thought, Nasa only recruits High performing Individuals these people have a quite well documented need to perform and to be "busy" mentally or physically what they might need is couch potatoes or Mall security guards.

    1. Re:The solution may be simple by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      Phone sanitizers, among some others, seem to be particularly suited this this type of mission

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    2. Re:The solution may be simple by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other words, they should hire expendable people

      It worked for the security team in Star Trek

  2. Of course humans aren't adapted for space. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is why we need to adapt the environment to our needs.

  3. Roll on! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A big spinning wheel shaped vehicle should suffice, albeit full of technical challenges.

    1. Re:Roll on! by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dealing the coriolis and tidal forces might be worse than the problem it's trying to solve, unless you have a really enormous centrifuge.

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    2. Re:Roll on! by taiwanjohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've been wondering why they don't at least do some animal studies on this centrifugal "gravity" idea. I mean how tough would it be to rig a rat cage and counterweight to rotate at some fraction of 1g? Put some critters in there for a few months, and take a control group along for the same duration, and see what happens. It probably wouldn't even cost very much, but could yield some key insights.

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    3. Re:Roll on! by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dealing the coriolis and tidal forces might be worse than the problem it's trying to solve, unless you have a really enormous centrifuge.

      Or two modules with a long tether spinning round their mutual centre of gravity

    4. Re:Roll on! by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative
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    5. Re:Roll on! by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you want fiords with that order ?
      Talk to Slartibardfast on Magrathea

      For a more moble solution, try the Fleet Of Worlds made by the Puppeteers

  4. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Millions of years of evolution in an environment with gravity has really screwed up our plans for galactic supremacy.

  5. That's some bad eyeball squashing by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Funny

    Another problem identified just five years ago is that the eyeballs of at least some astronauts became somewhat squashed. ... 'We uncovered something that has been right under our noses forever.'

    I'm not a doctor, but if your eyeballs have always been under your nose then I suspect you have a pre-existing condition. Don't blame space.

    To be fair, in zero gravity, it's easy to get confused about 'under' and 'over'.

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  6. Re:Space or Lack of Gravity? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That is a good idea in theory, but artificial gravity by rotation has a rather big problem involved: We're not 1 inch tall. Gravity by rotation is dependent on velocity. And depending on how "big" that wheel is, that velocity may be considerably different at the floor and 6 feet up.

    In other words, if that wheel is too small and you spin it too fast (to get to that 1g you want), you'd be nauseated to the extreme.

    I don't have the exact numbers in my head right now, but I do distinctly remember that the required size was somewhere in the vicinity of "friggin' huge" to avoid such a fate.

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  7. The human body did not evolve to live on ships by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The human body did not evolve to live on ships, and the longest any human has been off Land is 437 days. Some problems, like scurvy, may have been overcome already. Others have been identified -- for example, sailors have trouble eating and sleeping enough -- and people are working to understand and solve them. But Kenneth Chang reports in the NY Times that there are some health problems that still elude doctors more than 5000 years after the first sea voyage. The biggest hurdle remains sea water. Without the protective cocoon of the ships hull and atmosphere, sailors receive substantially lower doses of oxygen, heightening the chances that they will die of suffocation. Another problem identified just five years ago is that the eyeballs of at least some sailors became somewhat squashed when hit by a boom. 'It is now a recognized occupational hazard of sailing,' says Dr. Barratt. 'We uncovered something that has been right under our noses forever.' Officials often talk about the 'unknown unknowns,' the unforeseen problems that catch them by surprise. The eye issue caught them by surprise, and they are happy it did not happen in the middle of a mission to Madagascar. Another problem is the lack of stability jumbles the body's neurovestibular system (PDF) that tells people which way is up. When returning to land, sailors can become dizzy, something that Mark Kelly took note of as he piloted the sailboat to a landing. 'If you tilt your head a little left or right, it feels like you're going end over end.' Beyond the body, there is also the mind. The first six months of Scott Kelly's one-year mission are expected to be no different from his first trip to the open sea. Dr. Gary E. Beven, a NASA psychiatrist, says he is interested in whether anything changes in the next six months. 'We're going to be looking for any significant changes in mood, in sleep, in irritability, in cognition.' In a Russian experiment in 2010 and 2011, six men agreed to be sealed up in a mock submarine simulating a 17-month mission. Four of the six developed disorders, and the crew became less active as the experiment progressed. 'I think that's just an example of what could potentially happen during a submarine mission, but with much greater consequence,' says Dr. Beven. 'Those subtle changes in group cohesion could cause major problems.'"

    1. Re:The human body did not evolve to live on ships by gmclapp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only is this hilarious, but it perfectly illustrates how ridiculous this article really is.

      Better summary:
      There are problems with what we're trying to do. Some of them surprising. There are also probably solutions that we haven't figured out yet.

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  8. squashed eyeballs by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have no trouble believing the human eye does not do well in zero gravity. Case in point, I have a bookstand that holds a book upside down, to read lying down in bed. If I read for an hour in that position, my vision becomes all blurred, something that doesn't happen when I read with my head upright or tilted backward at a slight angle.

    I'm pretty sure proper vision depends on gravity pulling the eyeball the direction the eyeball is used to to maintain its shape, i.e. down.

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  9. Re:Space or Lack of Gravity? by Katatsumuri · · Score: 4, Informative

    The required radius is about 500m, as I mentioned in my other post here. The smaller, cheaper alternative is a tethered design.

  10. Re:A tethered design more realistic in near term by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given the amount of (admittedly still primitive; but advancing) work on interfacing with the ear that they've done for the sake of the deaf, would it be too radical to propose surgical modification of astronauts to help them cope with imperfectly simulated gravity?

    You'd still need some sort of centrifuge, to stave off all the muscular and skeletal side effects of zero G; but tampering with the inner ear to prevent the subject noticing the various imperfections associated with a fairly small centrifuge might well become doable with small computerized implants in the relatively near future...

  11. Re:Another idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Earth is already a spaceship. The problem is, we have no control over where it's going.

    But we found the climate controls! We just argue over how hot to set them.

  12. Re:Of course apes aren't universal explorators. by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Incorrect. It is far more efficient to adapt your bodies to survive the environment.

    Then why do people build houses? Why were things like the furnace and the air conditioner invented? Heck, why was clothing invented?

    Most of Earth's surface is an unsustainable environment for humans, for at least part of the year. We only live on this planet because we have developed many ways of altering the environment.

    The "437 days in space" is a lie - humans cannot survive at all in space. The 437 days was in a capsule, a local modification of the true environment of outer space.