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Amherst Researchers Create Magnetic Monopoles

An anonymous reader writes "Nearly 85 years after pioneering theoretical physicist Paul Dirac predicted the possibility of their existence, an international collaboration led by Amherst College Physics Professor David S. Hall '91 and Aalto University (Finland) Academy Research Fellow Mikko Möttönen has created, identified and photographed synthetic magnetic monopoles in Hall's laboratory on the Amherst campus. The groundbreaking accomplishment paves the way for the detection of the particles in nature, which would be a revolutionary development comparable to the discovery of the electron." That's quite a step beyond detecting monopoles; the Nature abstract is online, but the full paper is paywalled.

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  1. Verry cool IF TRUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    But how many slashdot stories about fusion reactors, methanol fuel cells, or flying cars has actually been more than investor fleecing vaporware?

    1. Re:Verry cool IF TRUE by tomhath · · Score: 5, Funny
      FTFA:

      Hall's team adopted an innovative approach to investigating Dirac's theory, creating and identifying synthetic magnetic monopoles in an artificial magnetic field generated by a Bose-Einstein condensate, an extremely cold atomic gas tens of billionths of a degree warmer than absolute zero.

      "Verry cool" is an understatement.

    2. Re:Verry cool IF TRUE by tibit · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. Electric motors are limited by the performance of the conductors and the good old magnetic path where the monopoles are of no help. Electric motors with superconducting windings have been built, and they are pretty damn efficient. Heck, stock brushless electric motors are already pretty damn efficient.

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    3. Re:Verry cool IF TRUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      no. it's not an understatement, it's a typo.

    4. Re:Verry cool IF TRUE by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Electric motors aren't getting more efficient until someone finds a better room-temperature conductor than copper. Ideally a superconductor. There's no fundamental law that says such a thing couldn't exist, but so far it has eluded all efforts to find one.

  2. Plus, they're worth 25 RU by nightfire-unique · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. and can certainly help in the fight against the Ur-Quan!

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  3. Monopole Magnets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The secrets of magnetism"

    Requires Superstring Theory, Silksteel Alloys

    Leads to Nanominiaturization, Unified Field Theory
    Enables: Terraform Mag Tube

    1. Re:Monopole Magnets by Kojiro+Ganryu+Sasaki · · Score: 2

      I maintain nonetheless that yin-yang dualism can be overcome.
      With sufficient enlightenment we can give substance to any
      distinction: mind without body, north without south, pleasure
      without pain. Remember, enlightenment is a function of willpower,
      not of physical strength.

      â"Chairman Sheng-ji Yang,
      âoeEssays on Mind and Matterâ

    2. Re:Monopole Magnets by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Funny

      And yet our tanks can still be beaten by archers.

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    3. Re:Monopole Magnets by some+old+guy · · Score: 2

      Scientist: I can mathematically predict a vacuum > 29 in/Hg

      Engineer: I can prove it with your lips on my manometer.

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    4. Re:Monopole Magnets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No one knew electricity was going to lead to iPhones.

      Probably just as well. If they had, we might never have had all the good things that electricity has brought us.

    5. Re:Monopole Magnets by Valdrax · · Score: 2

      It's a quote from the leader of the turbo-capitalist faction in the game being referenced in the post it was a reply to.

      Personally, I would have gone with this quote, since it's the actual one that matches the research of Monopole Magnets:

      I maintain nonetheless that yin-yang dualism can be overcome. With sufficient enlightenment we can give substance to any distinction: mind without body, north without south, pleasure without pain. Remember, enlightenment is a function of willpower, not of physical strength.

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  4. Are we sure. . . by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Funny

    someone wasn't playing a trick on them and was turning the electric can opener on and off in the other room?

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    1. Re:Are we sure. . . by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hold the phone

      I can't. I has no thumbs.

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  5. This is cool, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they haven't really found a magnetic monopole. They've created a long skinny solenoid with ends that are far enough apart that they look like independent monopoles.

    Great physics, terrible summary.

    1. Re:This is cool, but by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      Nope, there's no corresponding opposite pole in the system they've created. It's a genuine magnetic monopole quasiparticle, albeit one that only exists as the product of tweaking the magnetic field of a Bose-Einstein condensate.

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    2. Re:This is cool, but by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Informative

      no, these are not monopoles at all, hence the word "synthetic" in front.

      there is no evidence whatsoever that monopoles exist, not for the last 70+ years of searching.

    3. Re:This is cool, but by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      false, there is no magnetic field from a source point, a compass wouldn't point at what they've created.

      these are not magnetic monopoles at all, in no sense of the word.

      magnetic monopoles do not exist, there are no evidence they exist after decades of looking.

  6. Monopole Money by retroworks · · Score: 2, Funny

    You could run an electric utility, four railroads, and get out of jail free if this can be produced to scale.

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  7. Re:Contradicts current theory? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

    Not the theory put forth by Paul Dirac 85 years ago.... but, otherwise, yes - this is essentially a different source of magnetism from that created by moving electrons.

  8. Re:Ha the science publishers will be all over this by tibit · · Score: 2

    Except that as far as I understand it, those classical equations are unaffected. It's a quantum-scale effect.

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  9. Re:Contradicts current theory? by tibit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's some misunderstanding of what a scientific theory is, right there. A theory must have predictive power - it must be useful for something, that is. Electromagnetic theory, so far, is extremely successful precisely because it works where we need it to work. The monopole demonstration doesn't change it one iota - neither your computer nor your electric plant have stopped working overnight.

    It doesn't matter in practice that it doesn't work everywhere, and there's no need to rewrite anything and there's no contradiction. We know that the classical theory of electromagnetism, well, applies to classical scale phenomena, under certain conditions. No scientist in their sane mind would insist that this effect contradicts the classical theory. It's simply outside of the classical theory's scope, just as relativistic effects are outside of the realm of classical mechanics.

    The real problem is with extremely widespread, naive understanding of what a scientific theory is and that there are limits to applicability of any scientific theory of nature. The phrase "law of nature" is perhaps the biggest romanticism-imbued snafu there ever was in popularization of science.

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  10. Re:Contradicts current theory? by dkf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Theory (due to Paul Dirac's work combining quantum mechanics and relativity in the first half of the 20th Century) had been predicting monopoles for a long time. Yeah, the simplified version that you were quoting from didn't predict monopoles, but the full version did. If the submitters of the paper have found one of these rare beasts in the lab, that's a very interesting confirmation.

    The real question is whether the result can be reproduced by different experimenters in a different lab. (Since it's lab-scale work, that ought to be possible.) If so, watch out for some really interesting new areas of physics to be opened up.

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  11. Pseudoparticles by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These are pseudoparticles. They're like magnetic monopoles in almost all ways, but they arise from the collective motion of other particles rather than actually existing in and of themselves (think about having an electron hole, versus having an actual positron). The breakthrough is that they've made the first pseudoparticle in a quantum mechanical regime that allows it to behave consistently with the real particle.

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    1. Re:Pseudoparticles by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like the "electron hole" analogy. Electron holes aren't as spectacular as positrons; they don't annihilate electrons and generate gamma-ray photons. They can, however, "annihilate" an electron in a semiconductor to produce a visible photon -- and that's how we get LEDs.

      This "monopole" won't let us build super-motors or disintegrate protons at will. But I wonder if, recreated in a more robust medium, it could have its own interesting uses?

    2. Re:Pseudoparticles by radtea · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're like magnetic monopoles in almost all ways...

      Correct. The ways they don't behave like magnetic monopoles are scale-dependent. At sufficiently large distances they are indistinguishable from point-like monopoles (monopole equivalents of electrons.) At short distances they aren't anything like monopoles.

      The theory they are based on, curiously, predicts that they are free in the medium they exist in, which was something of a surprise. That is, in an infinite BEC, they would be free to move anywhere, making them much more like "true" monopoles than expected.

      Whether or not you call these "real" monopoles is a matter of taste. The reality is that at sufficiently large distances no experiment you could perform would be able to distinguish them from a monopole particle, making them extremely practical mechanisms for investigating the physics of monopoles.

      One interesting thing is that Dirac showed the existence of a single monopole anywhere in the universe could explain why the electron charge was quantized, because for a given monopole strength there is only one value of electron charge that can interact with it consistently (any other value requires the electron wavefunction to have multiple values at same point in space-time, which would imply a breakdown of quantum mechanics.) I don't know if these pseudo-monopoles are sufficient to impose that condition.

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  12. Re:Contradicts current theory? by Kongming · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also, would this allow for the development of an over unity, energy from nothing generation machine.

    The answer to that question is always, always no. Except when it's still no, in which case it is no. No.

    In conclusion, no.

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  13. Re:Contradicts current theory? by Sockatume · · Score: 2

    They actually coaxed a BEC into "simulating" a magnetic monopole. http://www.nature.com/news/qua...

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  14. Are these true really true monopoles? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2
    Or is it just like a normal, really long magnet with an "undetectable" body (the bar between the poles)?

    Meaning, that if they have a south monopole somewhere in their "extremely cold gas", someplace else within the same gas has a north monopole. Then just consider the line linking both to be the magnet.

    Call us back when they can separate them by splitting the "extremely cold gas" into 2 containers, in such a way that one container has the south pole, and the other the north pole, and both can be moved arbitrarily far from each other.

  15. Glad they're back in stock... by PseudoCoder · · Score: 3, Funny

    My previous supplier has left me high and dry and I can't finish my perpetual motion machine without one of these. Can I get a discount on more than one? Or do I have to buy them one by one to avoid them neutralizing each other?

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  16. "but the full paper is paywalled" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Unless you are really up on your Maxwell's equations and condensed matter physics, you wouldn't get much out of the actual paper. When I hear all the bitching and moaning about paywalled papers and how "the people" need to see the paper, I can't help but think that 99.999% of "the people" couldn't get past the intro paragraph because of all the field-specific details. That's why there are places like Scientific American and numerous science-writer blogs to translate this for the layman. If you can understand the following, then you most likely have access to the actual article, and if you don't know what this all means, then you are far better off going for the layman's summary:

    The spinor order parameter corresponding to the Dirac monopole14,17 is generated by an adiabatic spin rotation in response to a time-varying magnetic field, B(r, t). Similar spin rotations have been used to create multiply quantized vortices18 and skyrmion spin textures19. The order parameter Y(r, t)5y(r, t)f(r, t) is the product of a scalar order parameter, y, and a spinor, f~ðfz1,f0,f{1T¼^ jfi, where fm5Æmjfæ represents the mth spinor component along z. The condensate is initially spin-polarized along the z axis, that is, f5(1, 0, 0)T. Following the method introduced in ref. 14, a magnetic field Bðr,t~bqðxx^zy^y{2z^zzBzðt^z is applied, where bq.0 is the strength of a quadrupole field gradient and Bz(t) is a uniform bias field. The magnetic field zero is initially located on the z axis at z~Bzð0=(2bq)?Z, where Z is the axial Thomas–Fermi radius of the condensate. The spin rotation occurs as Bz is reduced, drawing the magnetic field zero into the region occupied by the superfluid.

  17. Re:Contradicts current theory? by blueg3 · · Score: 2

    No. Maxwell's equations are essentially symmetric with respect to electricity and magnetism. Not surprising, since they are really the same thing. The form that you usually learn in school reduces the equations by having magnetic charge = 0 and magnetic current = 0 everywhere, since as far as we know, that's the world we live in. But magnetic monopoles are in no way disruptive to our understanding of how electricity and magnetism work.

  18. Re:Contradicts current theory? by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    So you're saying there's a chance...?

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  19. not really monopoles! by somepunk · · Score: 2

    You should be thanking Alan Guth and the Gods of Inflation they didn't find actual monopoles. Those things are terrifying beasts! They eat protons like it's going out of style!
    http://www.npl.washington.edu/...

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  20. Re:Contradicts current theory? by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, they created a magnetic monopole but they didn't create a magnetic monopole. :) They created a magnetic field without it's corresponding opposite field (or actually the opposing field was separated by enough physical distance that they behaved independently), but they didn't create or detect the particle which in theory generates that field.

  21. Re:Contradicts current theory? by breech1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No it doesn't contradict previous theory. The existence of a magnetic monopole would require adding some extra terms in Maxwell's equations: one for magnetic "charge" (the monopole) and one for magnetic "current" (moving monopole) analogous to electric charge and current. (Adjusting Maxwell's equations this way is a popular exercise in advanced undergrad / grad level E&M courses). If your system happened to have a magnetic monopole in it, then you would need to use the equations with the extra terms. You would see some extra effects due to the monopoles, but they would be accounted for. The extra terms would give a nice symmetry to Maxwell's equations, helping to demonstrate that the electric and magnetic field are manifestations of the same phenomena (which isn't clear until you get to special relativity).

  22. These are NOT Dirac Monopoles by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    But how many slashdot stories about fusion reactors, methanol fuel cells, or flying cars has actually been more than investor fleecing vaporware?

    These are not actually Dirac monopoles. These are magnetic quasiparticles that behave in a way that simulates Dirac monopoles.

    The Ars Technicha article has the best explanation:
    http://arstechnica.com/science...
    Emphasis mine:
    "Since we can't seem to find one, though, some researchers decided to emulate monopole behavior using an analogous quantum system. They used a Bose-Einstein condensate: a collection of very cold atoms that behaves like a single quantum system."

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  23. Re:Ha the science publishers will be all over this by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Informative

    no, that equation still holds with no known exceptions.

    summary is wrong, no monopoles were produced, just a formation that in some ways resembles one but is not a magnetic source or sink.

    really, the sensationalist nonsense of half of slashdot's headings needs to stop

  24. Re:Practical application. by cellocgw · · Score: 2

    (magentic north be damned)

    Agreed. I far prefer roseate north.

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  25. Re:Contradicts current theory? by wagnerrp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just like Einstein didn't make anything Newton discovered incorrect.

    Of course he did. Newton's laws of motion are wrong, but they're still close enough for use in certain scales and applications. The small angle approximation is wrong, but it still lets you do some trig in your head. Truncating a series expansion after just a few orders is wrong, but that's often all you need.