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Obama Nominates Vice Admiral Michael Rogers New NSA Chief

wiredmikey writes "President Barack Obama has nominated a US Navy officer, Vice Admiral Michael Rogers, to take over as head of the embattled National Security Agency, the Pentagon said Thursday. Rogers, 53, would take the helm at a fraught moment for the spy agency, which is under unprecedented pressure after leaks from ex-intelligence contractor Edward Snowden revealed the extent of its electronic spying. If confirmed by lawmakers, Rogers would also take over as head of the military's cyber warfare command. Rogers, who trained as an intelligence cryptologist, would succeed General Keith Alexander, who has served in the top job since 2005. He currently heads the US Fleet Cyber Command, overseeing the navy's cyber warfare specialists, and over a 30-year career has worked in cryptology and eavesdropping, or 'signals intelligence.' His confirmation hearings in the Senate are likely to be dominated by the ongoing debate about the NSA's espionage, and whether its sifting through Internet traffic and phone records violates privacy rights and democratic values."

138 comments

  1. rebranded? by Infestedkudzu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this what companies do when their product turns out to have lead paint in it or something.

    1. Re:rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      FTFY: after leaks from ex-intelligence contractor Edward Snowden revealed the extent of its constitution violations and illegal spying on Americans and allies. Confirmed lawbreakers ...

    2. Re:rebranded? by edibobb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This started long before Obama. The big data collection was almost inevitable because it became possible, economical, and easy to justify in the name of "national security." As long as they could keep it secret with virtually unlimited funding, it would keep growing regardless of who controlled the White House, Congress, or the Supreme Court.

    3. Re:rebranded? by khallow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The brand, "Committee for State Security" is currently available.

    4. Re:rebranded? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      NSA Reputation Is Dirt

      Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 18:30:39 -0500

      From: William Allen Simpson
      <william.allen.simpson[at]gmail.com>

      To: Jerry Leichter <leichter[at]lrw.com>, John Kelsey
      <crypto.jmk[at]gmail.com>

      Subject: Re: [Cryptography] RSA is dead.

      I'm surprised at the sudden interest in my month old December 23 post.

      On 1/20/14 2:39 PM, Jerry Leichter wrote:

      On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:49 PM, John Kelsey <crypto.jmk[at]gmail.com>
      wrote:

      Perhaps this is the result of living in a government bubble for awhile, but
      I certainly saw and heard a lot of the bigger community who thought NSA's
      involvement in domestic crypto standards and companies was intended to improve
      security. That's why NSA people were and are openly members of a bunch of
      standards committees, why people invited NSA guys to give talks and take
      part in competitions, why people were using stuff like SE Linux. People have
      been using DSA, the NIST curves, SHA1, and SHA2 for many years, believing
      them secure--because the assumption was that NSA wasn't putting backdoored
      stuff out there.

      Absolutely. And it's not just a matter of living inside the government bubble.

      NSA has had a surprisingly good reputation pretty much until Snodownia. Before
      their involvement with DES, no one really knew anything about them - but
      every interaction I've ever heard of with NSA people left the impression
      that they were extremely bright and extremely competent. (A friend who, many
      years ago interviewed with both CIA and NSA, thought the interviewers for
      the former were a bunch of bumbling idiots, while he was very impressed with
      the latter. He never took a govern

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    5. Re:rebranded? by dbIII · · Score: 2

      *treason* for posting the PPP CHAP internet-draft circa 1991

      You don't even get that for selling US made weapons to Hezbolla less than a year after they've killed more than 100 US Marines, so it's definitely a bit much for posting a draft standard.

    6. Re:rebranded? by MobSwatter · · Score: 0

      Yes. America isn't called America anymore, it's Obamanation.

      Obummernation.

    7. Re:rebranded? by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      The brand, "Committee for State Security" is currently available.

      Actually KGB is still in active use by one of the original KGB organizations in Belarus. The founder of the Soviet Union's original secret police, the dreaded Cheka, was Felix "Iron Felix" Dzerzhinsky who was born in Belarus. From what I hear they keep the "old traditions" going there.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    8. Re:rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    9. Re:rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    10. Re:rebranded? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      ...Have we forgotten that the NSA mole in the IETF, Steve Kent ...
      Have we forgotten that Steve Kent had the NSA (via the FBI) investigate me for *treason* for posting the PPP CHAP internet-draft circa 1991?

      Of course there must be some proof of these allegations? It seems pretty unlikely that a charge of treason would come about based on what is described.

      On the other hand this is posted on the internet, so it must be true.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    11. Re:rebranded? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean "Committee for State Freedom and the Protection of Personal Rights and Liberty"

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    12. Re:rebranded? by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really, the only thing I think you can criticize Obama vs previous presidents over the NSA scandal is: his did actually run against this sort of snooping in his first presidential campaign. Not that it's shocking that a politician breaks his promises or anything, but you'd think when all this became public he might have been more publically critical.

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    13. Re:rebranded? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And this post highlights exactly why: when a trend that's been going on for decades across administrations from both major parties continues (or, worse, accelerates slightly), what happens? Half of Americans loudly blame the current incumbent, causing the other half to reflexively defend whatever this trend is.

      Hint: Government is not like sports. Don't mindlessly support the Red Team or the Blue Team, they're supposed to stand for something.

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      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    14. Re:rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really I wonder why he is not taking a more active stance against the NSA. It is really hurting his opinion poll and there are elections soon. My guess is that someone is holding him hostage in this situation, it might be a high military officer or a maybe someone from his presidential campaign funding that is profiting from the spying.

      Many people see the president as all-powerful during his term, but in reality he needs to please so many people that he can't do anything he wants.

    15. Re:rebranded? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Gee, another untrustworthy liar to replace the untrustworthy liar. But, this one knows how to swim and swab a deck.
      What an upgrade!

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    16. Re:rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing that is even more funny about Iran Contra, was that the only law that was really broken was the one Congress passed about not using Federal funds to support the Nicaraguan Contras.

      Apparently Congress was perfectly okay with the arms sales to Iran.

    17. Re:rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about to post "Why would you find this surprising?" then I looked at the username and saw it was you cold fjord, and I got my answer:

      You're retarded.

    18. Re:rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama's reputation is also dirt..

      But the sheeple keep following..

    19. Re:rebranded? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Only? How about embezzling for North's house renovations at the bottom and treason at the top?

  2. Not Bitcoin connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The 12 zillionth story on NSA and Snowden and you couldn't find a bitcoin connection to go with it? Sloppy submission here.

  3. Can you spy? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Yes"

    "Can you spy a lot?"

    "Yes"

    "You're hired."

    new hiring practice at the NSA

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Can you spy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so fast! They also need to show a willingness to break the law and cover-up for their co-conspirators. Very important.

    2. Re:Can you spy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so fast! They also need to show a willingness to break the law and cover-up for their co-conspirators. Very important.

      No, showing that ability is what got them into this PR mess.

      The new criteria is that they have to be good at not getting caught when they break the law and cover-up for their co-conspirators.

    3. Re:Can you spy? by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      That's the old hiring practice. The new practice adds the additional question "Are you willing to spy a lot on the American people?"

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      #1 - The DM is always right.
      #2 - If the DM is wrong, see rule #1
    4. Re:Can you spy? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      That's the old hiring practice. The new practice adds the additional question "Are you willing to spy a lot on the American people?"

      Can you spy on the American People and play dumb, convincingly before Congress? (They authorized all this but now clamber over each other claiming shock and dismay while attempting to reach for the highest indignation.)

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    5. Re:Can you spy? by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the old hiring practice. The new practice adds the additional question "Are you willing to spy a lot on the American people?"

      Can you spy on the American People and play dumb, convincingly before Congress? (They authorized all this but now clamber over each other claiming shock and dismay while attempting to reach for the highest indignation.)

      No they didn't. Americans never voted on this crap. Hell, Congress had no time to read the Patriot act until after the vote either. After the fact we all heard about how the terrorist would kill all of our children if we repealed this law instead of having any rational debate.

      Now you could claim that American's have been complacent and let things happen, that much I would agree with. This would also explain some of their shock and dismay as they see what the complacency has turned into.

      Even that is questionable. One of Obama's Hope and Change speeches claimed that the Patriot act had to go, and that Government needed to be more transparent.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    6. Re:Can you spy? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      There has been plenty of time since the Patriot Act was passed to read and revisit it. Other than relatively minor tuning it is still on the books. Although it is possible that candidate Obama was misleading the country on his intent, it could be that his views evolved with new information.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
  4. Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The business of Admirals is to kill people and destroy their property. An Admiral won't mind smaller violence like breaking constitutional law, lying to the public, and spending taxpayer dollars on projects to make money for a few.

    1. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      The business of Admirals is to kill people and destroy their property. An Admiral won't mind smaller violence like breaking constitutional law, lying to the public, and spending taxpayer dollars on projects to make money for a few.

      The business of Admirals is to defend the people of the United States with wise use of the Navy. Failing that, to cover their butts until they can retire.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    2. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The business of Admirals is to kill people and destroy their property. An Admiral won't mind smaller violence like breaking constitutional law, lying to the public, and spending taxpayer dollars on projects to make money for a few.

      Which is exactly why they need to stop putting military people in these positions.

      Yes civilians can do that stuff too, but at least there's a chance, however small, that things might change. Putting another Admiral or General in charge guarantees that nothing will change.

    3. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Military folk care a lot more about that oath to defend the constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic, than the civilians who take a similar oath. Military folk also know that illegal orders are not valid orders, and it is their duty to not follow them.

    4. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by femtobyte · · Score: 2

      Citation needed.

    5. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Could you add some details to that? Why do you think a military officer would be less inclined to follow the law than a civilian? Besides that, do you realize that there is a strong ethic of being apolitical in the US military? Is you position simply antimilitary?

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    6. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The history of the US Navy and codes is complex, conservative (no sharing) vs the UK and US Army and understanding pre WW2 Japan.
      During WW2 the US Navy had to/was ordered to share and you had the 1942 and 1944 Holden Agreement's with the UK.
      During the Cold War you saw US Navy elint aircraft in the 1950's later NSA/US Navy efforts like Ivy Bells http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...
      The now US seems fixated with contractors, mercenaries, the private sector has vetting issues and a massive expansion of staff with skills but unknown backgrounds.
      The US has the total global electronic high ground both in space, online and as basic global telco infrastructure/standards as well as setting/keeping global junk encryption.
      China and Russia do not have the bases/location reach and are geographically isolated, contained.
      The EU mil elite is subservient/dependant wrt the USA. What has changed after Snowden?
      The US color of law of parallel construction and a vast illegal domestic surveillance network is now understood.
      Expect a lot more crypto hardware, software to be in use - more gov and private expansion to fix any internal issues and grow the NSA. Politically outpace the CIA and secure other US mil/gov crypto/cyber/war related funding.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    7. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Why do you think a military officer would be less inclined to follow the law than a civilian?

      Why do you think a civilian would be more willing to follow illegal orders? The willingness of military to follow the chain of command is indoctrinated into them at every stage of their training and service. It is an _exceptional_ military leader who can see the larger political or moral picture. When those personnel's illegal orders or political abuses are walled behind national security claims, their indoctrinated willingness to follow orders without moral question encourages their actions, and political use of their willingness, to include abuse.

    8. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why do you think a civilian would be more willing to follow illegal orders?

      The majority of military people I've met seem to believe in their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies.

      The majority of civilians I've met are fucking morons, who wouldn't hesitate to twerk atop the Constitution until it was torn to shreds, if only because think of the children/zomg terrorists/zomg gay people kissing/zomg religious people teaching creationism/etc.

    9. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The majority of military people I've met seem to believe in their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies.

      You are not a very good judge of character then.

    10. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

      "Uphold the constitution" is an ideal. What it means, every day, boils down to "obey the chain of command".

      Moreover, the Constitution is not enough. The prisoners in Guantanamo Bay have been ruled, by the previous commander in chief, not have the Constitution or the Geneva Conventions or the US Military Code of Justice apply to them. And so they are trapped, concealed, tortured, some of them tortured to death.

      I'm not saying that civilians cannot commit abuses. I'm saying that the disciplined behavior of military personnel given such orders makes them far less likely to refuse the orders, or to expose abuses by their colleagues.

    11. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UCMJ Art. 92, ass hat.

    12. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... a military officer would be less inclined to follow the law ...

      A military officer follows his military superiors, who weren't chosen by the citizens. A civilian (congress critter) follows the money, so it depends on what the government wants to buy.

      ... apolitical in the US military

      Unfortunately, the congress critters aren't a-military, to coin a term. Deciding who gets department of defense money is the main business of US politicians. Putting military personnel into bureaucratic positions means more voices support the military and create a ruling triumvirate (chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, commander-in-chief, SCOTUS).

    13. Re:Admiral now in charge of the NSA: What effect? by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      So, that stopped military folks at Guantanamo Bay from doing the same things we hung people at the Nuremberg trials for? Or, has prevented rape epidemics, primarily responded to by cover-ups? How about convincing people not to invade countries on politically motivated known faulty intelligence? So far as I can tell, the people in recent decades who've been protecting constitutional rights and opposing illegal wars, torture, domestic spying, etc., have not been wearing military uniforms.

  5. NSA spied on Copenhagen climate summit .. by DTentilhao · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Developing countries have reacted angrily to revelations that the United States spied on other governments at the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009."

    "Documents leaked by Edward Snowden show how the US National Security Agency (NSA) monitored communication between key countries before and during the conference to give their negotiators advance information about other positions at the high-profile meeting where world leaders including Barack Obama, Gordon Brown and Angela Merkel failed to agree to a strong deal on climate change." link

  6. Senate Filibuster Rules by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This suddenly makes me rather sad that the filibuster rules were changed for appointment confirmations. The Republicans had been using the filibuster against appointments far too frequently (traditionally one only goes after appointments if there is a serious problem), but this is precisely the kind of appointment where it might be useful. Even if I think most of them are cynical opportunists, I should very much like the opposition use this chance to put more pressure on the security state.

    1. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      This suddenly makes me rather sad that the filibuster rules were changed for appointment confirmations. The Republicans had been abusing the filibuster against appointments far too frequently (traditionally one only goes after appointments if there is a serious problem), but this is precisely the kind of appointment where it might be useful. Even if I think most of them are cynical opportunists, I should very much like the opposition use this chance to put more pressure on the security state.

      Yep, they thought they'd score some biggie whopper points with crying wolf and this is what we get for it.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    2. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The opposition had been using the filibuster against appointments far too frequently

      Fixed it for you. Hint: Democrats did the same thing.

      Worry not, they'll reap what they've sowed sooner or later, when the GOP controls the Senate and White House. Politics is cyclical.

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    3. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This suddenly makes me rather sad that the filibuster rules were changed for appointment confirmations. The Republicans had been using the filibuster against appointments far too frequently (traditionally one only goes after appointments if there is a serious problem), but this is precisely the kind of appointment where it might be useful. Even if I think most of them are cynical opportunists, I should very much like the opposition use this chance to put more pressure on the security state.

      You do know that it possible for congress to block this appointment without a filibuster? All it would take is a few Democrats to vote with the Republicans.

    4. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Personally I think it's a very stupid abuse of Democracy. On project Gutenberg there's an interesting article by Mark Twain about a filibuster in the decaying Austrian Empire - looking at it from the outside may show you how stupid it is.

    5. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Quite correct, and your moderation of "troll" is false.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    6. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't understand the mods sometimes. In point of fact, Democrats did not filibuster so often in the past but, then, neither did Republicans under former Democractic presidents. And, yes, Democrats will come to regret the rules change but politics is a short term game (too short, indeed, for consideration of the common good). Even so, I agree with GP's sentiments. Even if I didn't, they aren't unreasonable. The mod was unfair and should be corrected.

    7. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1

      Yes, I do know that. But I'm not asking that the appointment be blocked. Not only do I think that in most cases a president should have a staff of his choosing (again, excepting serious circumstances), but in this case I don't expect that anyone better or worse would be nominated in his place. Indeed, I know little about the nominee himself. What I want is for the opposition to complain loudly in front of the whole Senate, putting themselves on the record doing so. Then I should like the Democrats to save face by putting themselves on the record as ever more pro-civil rights and liberties (i.e. pro-4th amendment). I should like any chance for all these cynical opportunists to get caught in a loop, outdoing one another in their claims to be support the bill of rights, to be increased.

      Above all, I want more news cycles to be consumed with the NSA, even if that requires some grandstanding and filibustering. Election cycles are far longer than new cycles, as the continual presence of the TSA demonstrates. And once people begin to forget about the Snowden revelations, they'll be no more angry at them than they were about the Patriot Act.

    8. Re:Senate Filibuster Rules by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's a nice false equivalence you've got there. Too bad you miss the point. Almost half of all of the nominee filibusters in the entire history of this country have been by this Republican party during this president's time in office.

      The Democrats have never even done close to the same thing.

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  7. The only acceptable solution... by ChainedFei · · Score: 2

    ...to the problem that is the NSA is the entire dismantling of the NSA as an agency. This indicates that won't happen. I'm, of course, not surprised.

    1. Re:The only acceptable solution... by Zynder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude, if they haven't dismantled the TSA, which visibly annoys people day in and day out, by now what even gave you a glimmer of hope it would happen this time? There have been so many opportunities to break up the TSA, repeal the Patriot Act, and all of the other nonsense that's been going but it seems the only person who gave a shit all of these years was Ron Paul. You see how well that went over. The only way you'll see the NSA or TSA dismantled will be when it becomes profitable for those who pay Congress' bills.

    2. Re:The only acceptable solution... by symbolic · · Score: 1

      What exactly would stop Congress from doing this (other than a lazy electorate that doesn't care enough to make it an issue)?

    3. Re:The only acceptable solution... by c0lo · · Score: 1

      ...to the problem that is the NSA is the entire dismantling of the NSA as an agency.

      (a fool's hope) Failing that, sinking it to deep sea would do. Maybe that's why an admiral was appointed?

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    4. Re:The only acceptable solution... by Zynder · · Score: 1

      Not sure if serious........

    5. Re:The only acceptable solution... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Completely serious. No joke. No hyperbole.

      If you want to challenge it you might start of by trying to show that the defense budget and headcount hasn't changed since 1986. It should take you no more than a few minutes to see that is false, and that both have varied considerably.

      I could provide other avenues you may want to explore as well.

      The fact that Ron Paul may have championed a particular concern doesn't necessarily mean that his stand on the question was either right or sound policy. The Founding Fathers wanted to avoid foreign wars and entanglements, and yet what did Jefferson do to keep Americans free that Europeans generally wouldn't?

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    6. Re:The only acceptable solution... by Zynder · · Score: 1

      I wasn't sure you were serious because that response is pretty much directly opposite of everything you usually post. When did you stop being a super conservative libertarian? When did you start questioning the word of The Paul? When did you start thinking the TSA & NSA were useful? And most importantly, when did you start accepting that terrorism was a valid excuse for depriving us of our rights?

      Oh man! I got trolled hardcore and fell for it. Bravo. *golfclap*

    7. Re:The only acceptable solution... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      One of the limitations of written communications is that it doesn't convey many of the typical cues that people rely upon to communicate sarcasm, irony, confusion, or various other shades of meaning. I'm not sure what you intend to convey there, but if you mean it as written you've got things wrong.

      I'm not a fan of "The Paul," as you put it. Never have been. I think he gets many things wrong, and his views tend towards fringe thinking. I think Libertarians in general are worth listening to, but I'm not one, even if one of my favorite websites has a definite Libertarian bent. I've always thought that NSA and TSA did something useful even if you can argue about their methods and limits. I don't think that terrorism is in general a valid excuse to deprive us of our rights. On the other hand, your actual rights under law may be different that what you think they are. Many people have faulty ideas about that. Even if you are right in general there may be specific circumstances where the rules can change, and rightly so. You will note that even the Constitution notes that:

      “The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” - Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 - Habeas Corpus

      I stick by that post, it wasn't a troll.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
  8. give em a break, they didn't know, like Bush II by raymorris · · Score: 2

    No need for all of that. Bush II was a popular governor who reached across the aisle, so many people thought he'd be a decent president. It turned out that he wasn't Obama talked a good game, he sounded inspirational. People thought he might be good. It turns out he isn't very good. That happens.

    I'm sure almost all of the liberals here would love to trade Obama for JFK, just like conservatives would have resurrected Reagan to replace Bush if the could, but the good presidents are dead. The liberals know that. They aren't stupid (most of them). Okay, a lot of the electorate is uninformed, but even most of the uniformed realize that Obama was an error. No need to rub it in. YOU probably voted for Bush Jr. Oops. Happens to the best of us

    1. Re:give em a break, they didn't know, like Bush II by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      Okay, a lot of the electorate is uninformed, but even most of the uniformed realize that Obama was an error. No need to rub it in. YOU probably voted for Bush Jr. Oops. Happens to the best of us

      I voted for GWB and BHO. Want me to tell you why? Four words: Gore, Kerry, McCain, and Romney. Sometimes you have to hold your nose and pick the least disgusting stall in the public restroom. Stall A has urine on the seat, Stall B has fecal matter, which are you going to use?

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    2. Re:give em a break, they didn't know, like Bush II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or you could stop being stupid and vote for candidates you actually like, rather than pretending that you have to vote for Republicans or Democrats. Holding your nose and picking the lesser of two evils only serves to maintain the status quo in perpetuity.

      Even if third parties don't have much of a chance of winning outright (thanks to both our system and people with mentalities like yours), people voting for them in large numbers sends messages to the main parties that they need to make some changes.

      Besides, I'd feel disgusting if I voted for either of the two main parties.

    3. Re:give em a break, they didn't know, like Bush II by allaunjsiIverfox2 · · Score: 1

      Happens to the best of us

      It really doesn't.

    4. Re:give em a break, they didn't know, like Bush II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the sink

    5. Re:give em a break, they didn't know, like Bush II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A vote for the lesser evil is still a vote for evil.

  9. cyber warfare enabler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If confirmed by lawmakers, Rogers would also take over as head of the military's cyber warfare command." Where his main job will be to weaken internet encryption standards while blaming everything on the Chinese.

  10. Should have appointed Eric Schmidt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He knows how to mine data effectively and have people thank him for the privilege of being spied on.

    1. Re:Should have appointed Eric Schmidt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should hire tech CEO out there that gutted big companies and run them to the ground.

    2. Re: Should have appointed Eric Schmidt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I give up my privacy to use Google products, that's the price of admission that I decide is worth it. What's the prize I get for having my privacy ripped away by the NSA?

    3. Re: Should have appointed Eric Schmidt. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Being safe from terrorism isn't good enough reward for you?

      Was Boston kept safe by the NSA?

      Doesn't look like we are getting "rewarded" now does it.

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      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    4. Re: Should have appointed Eric Schmidt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So we should INCREASE NSA spying so we can catch more terrorists before they attack.

    5. Re: Should have appointed Eric Schmidt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're admit to being a whore and will give anything away for a few trinkets?

    6. Re:Should have appointed Eric Schmidt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one would welcome it if Steve Ballmer were appointed head of the NSA.

  11. Meet The New Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same as the old Boss.

    1. Re: Meet The New Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just someone get rid of NObama please.

    2. Re: Meet The New Boss by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      Look, there are four basic ways to get Obama out of office, and you know what they all are:

      * He could resign. Certainly all of us could think of reasons for him to do so, but that depends on HIM deciding that he's got a good enough reason to do so (and enough pressure from outside sources).
      * The senate could impeach, convict, and remove him from office via their normal Constitutional power to do so, provided they have an actual legal reason to DO so. Care to cite an actual law he's broken? I can't think of one.
      * He could die. In which case, you just let the 25th Amendment do its job and Biden takes the presidency. Can't see that going too well for Obama haters, though.
      * Or, hey, here's a thought: his second term expires in a few years. Hold a regular election and let the 22nd Amendment do its job.

      Care to expand upon one of those?

  12. Is it just me... by cuncator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... or is anyone else disturbed by the number of military personnel being appointed to civilian posts in the US government recently?

    At what point do we just give up and announce that we're ruled by a junta already?

    1. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Washington was a Major General.

      Learn you some history.

    2. Re:Is it just me... by cuncator · · Score: 1

      And Washington was elected, not appointed. The President is also commander-in-chief of the armed forces so not strictly a civilian post.

      Your move, AC.

    3. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC lied. George Washington retired with the rank of Lieutenant General. You didn't learn enough history to correct AC's obviously false statement. You fail.

    4. Re:Is it just me... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      That's just a meaningless extra title that should have been retired with George Washington. Of course the ruler of a nation also rules the military. In wartime Presidents have left it to a member of the armed forces to actually run the war. Lincoln didn't command troops - he got other people to do that for him.
      Thus - "not a civilian post" is either silly or sinister depending on motivation.

    5. Re:Is it just me... by sourcerror · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Abraham Lincoln was deeply involved in overall strategy and in day-to-day operations during the American Civil War, 1861–1865; historians have given Lincoln high praise for his strategic sense and his ability to select and encourage commanders such as Ulysses S. Grant.[39] ... Harry S. Truman believed in a high amount of civilian leadership of the military, making many tactical and policy decisions based on the recommendations of his advisors— including the decision to use nuclear weapons on Japan, to commit American forces in the Korean War, and to terminate Douglas MacArthur from his command.[42]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

    6. Re:Is it just me... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      See, ignorance is half our problem. This has long been a practice of the US government, and people these days...it's like they're Rip van Winkle and have no idea what the political situation has been like.

      Moreover there is substantial support for what you might call the "USA = worse than Nazi Germany" attitude. It's not true but a certain subset really enjoys saying it and never grows tired of repeating it.

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    7. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course the ruler of a nation also rules the military.

      "Of course" my ass. Maybe true if the nation is called USAkistan.

    8. Re:Is it just me... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Harry S. Truman believed in a high amount of civilian leadership of the military

      Which has led to a great deal of criticism of Truman from the otherwise disinterested (ie. people who don't care what political party he was in). I think it's on topic and not a Godwin to bring up Hitler's obsession with various targets instead of the military suggestion of containing them and going around. It's just as well for us today that Hitler believed in a high amount of civilian leadership of the military and was so bad at it.

    9. Re:Is it just me... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      ... or is anyone else disturbed by the number of military personnel being appointed to civilian posts in the US government recently?

      Perhaps you missed all the mergers and acquistions going on with the TLA's, CyberCommand, etc., but bear in mind that Alexander controls[->ed?] actual military assets and (IIRC) two batallions.

      You can't call the NSA a civilian agency any longer.

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      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    10. Re:Is it just me... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I look at it this way: It could be very, very good, or very, very bad for the U.S. that this man is ex military brass. To elaborate, he's either going to be above-average when it comes to being honorable, law-abiding, and respectful of citizens' rights, incapable of having his core values compromised, or he's going to be an overgrown Boy Scout who thinks that blindly carrying out the orders and directives of his superiors is the highest calling he can aspire to. Only time will tell which this man turns out to be. Incidentally the true colors this man shows will also tell us quite a bit about Mr. Obama.

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    11. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you insulting the USA for having effective civilian leadership over the military or commenting that not all nations do?

      What a confusing comment.

    12. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the history of the NSA (and its predecessor, the Armed Forces Security Agency), there has never been a Director who wasn't a military officer.

    13. Re:Is it just me... by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      It always was very very milatery (an in a by the book mandatory hairlength inspections sort of way) when compared to say GCHQ - which has a much more civil service style

    14. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > is anyone else disturbed by the number of military personnel being appointed to civilian posts in the US government recently?

      Cheer up. It's just our new "Swords Into Ploughshares" initiative!

      (creepy captcha: "ethics")

    15. Re:Is it just me... by metaforest · · Score: 1

      The NSA subordinate to the DoD... as such it is a military operation. I'll remind you that it is headquartered on a military base, namely Ft. Mead.
      That being said. It is not unusual for a military operation (SIGINT) to be managed by a military officer.

    16. Re:Is it just me... by metaforest · · Score: 1

      It never was a civilian agency! It has, since day one, been a military op!

  13. Is this a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Mike Rogers"? The exact same name as the representative...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rogers_(Michigan_politician)

    FTWA - Rogers has reaffirmed his support for the NSA's programs, stating on October 30, 2013, "You can't have your privacy violated if you don't know your privacy is violated."

    That's like electing "Obama/Biden" because of subliminal regret over "Osama BinLaden".

  14. Cryptologist? by Smerta · · Score: 1
    Serious question, not a semantic game: What is the difference between a cryptologist (as Rogers is described) and a cryptographer?

    A quick search didn't turn up any answers that inspired confidence, I figured there must be people here who can answer...

    1. Re:Cryptologist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figured there must be people here who can answer...

      Nope, they left long ago. Nothing left but ignorant trolls.

    2. Re:Cryptologist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cryptologist tends to break codes, cryptographer makes them. Cryptologic Linguist, intercepts enemy signals, and breaks the codes.

    3. Re:Cryptologist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I resemble that remark!

    4. Re:Cryptologist? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Some people work to create codes, some work to break codes over their life. Thats the traditional war time race as presented in books and movies.
      A cryptologist fully understands the tasks but brings many other skills.
      How to interact with other working groups (in the US in the distant past Army, Navy efforts, private sector, education, other nations staff), other friendly nations and the political/funding/tech dynamics at any point in time.
      In the way distant past in the US (1930's) you would face questions beyond just breaking codes, creating codes, looking after embassy and Army, Navy codes.
      Do you look at nations outside Japan? So you have the skill set, cash and experts to look at nations outside Japan? Do US embassies have the staff to be trusted/skills to help break other nations codes outside Japan and not get caught or fail.
      How do you get the US Army and Navy working together on basic code breaking? How much do you share with the UK? What can you swap with the UK? Can the US even trust the UK? How much US traffic can the UK break? What is on sale in the now EU area wrt to codes and staff needing a new home.
      Traditionally the US cryptologist had the ability to take in the big international picture, focus very limited US finding and skill sets where needed. Try and get the UK sharing or warm of the UK messing in vital US interests....
      Beyond WW2 you had the influx of German skills, ex Nazi staff, German ideas and other EU nations staff that worked with German or escaped Germany - what to do with their math/crypto/tech skills?
      WW2 showed the US to be cash rich (crypto funding) but the skill set was low as in codes where unsafe, Army, Navy had their own ideas, the US global reach was poor.
      Korea was the wake up - the US had nothing, the UK could bring some help, only well into Korea did the US finally skill up - but missed the China aspect.
      Beyond that you finally had the Echelon expansion and now what we know into US crypto thinking thanks to Snowden after the Cold war.

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    5. Re:Cryptologist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figured there must be people here who can answer...

      Oh, you must be new here. Most of the knowledgeable nerds left here years ago. Come on, pretty much every story here is NSA, Snowden, Bitcoin, and Slashvertisements, filled with comment after comment of moral certitudes and platitudes from sheltered millenials with black and white views of the world. Some of us old timers still pop in and out, mostly out of habit these days, but it is pretty sad in a way. Maybe some day another interesting tech site will pop up again where you can go and discuss and argue over science, coding, etc. again, but it ain't gonna happen around here.

    6. Re:Cryptologist? by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Let me know if you find that interesting tech site. Sigh...

    7. Re:Cryptologist? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Well there is hacker new, it has good stories and some good insightful comments but their moderation systems isn't that good and the site owner likes to bring down the ban hammer on a whim from what I hear. Also the community tends toward being overly concerned with being seen as more politically correct than his fellow poster. (Example; yesterday there was a posting about a tool similar to "man pages" only it was called "bro pages" it was meant to show example of how to use various command line tools rather than list all of the option like man does. The whole thread turned into a diatribe of how this tool was demeaning to women because it was called bro which was not inclusive enough and that would keep women out of IT as it manifested the masculine oppressive tendencies)

      There is redit but its a mixed bag of shit and gems but again crappy moderation system. Obsessed with the cryptocurrencies of the week, and far to many memes. makes slashdot look good.

      Not many other good tech news forums that I have found that aren't total shit, most end up being know-nothings Luddites and crazies unless you want to get really nich

      Slashdot ends up being the worst tech site except for all of the others.

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    8. Re:Cryptologist? by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Serious question, not a semantic game: What is the difference between a cryptologist (as Rogers is described) and a cryptographer?

      A cryptolologist speaks cryptically (from the greak "logos" - speech). A talent very much in need to (un)explain to other people (and potentially the congress) what NSA is doing.

      A cryptographer writes or draws cryptical things (graphein - to write/draw). Given that even /.-ers don't have time to RTFA (even if they actually have time to otherwise waste engaging in comments... take this as an example)... ummm... not a very useful skill for the head of an govt agency.

      (ducks)

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      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    9. Re:Cryptologist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twin expertise in the related fields of cryptology (making codes) and cryptanalysis (breaking codes).

  15. Another one, just like the other one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another general (admiral) in charge of our top security agency. Talk about putting the fox in charge of the hen house!

  16. Sideshow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing will change. It's a formality and nothing more. There might be some hard questions asked. Perhaps, even in closed door meetings away from the public. Back room deals will be offered. Concessions will be made. And he'll likely be appointed, as that's what happens in this situation. We won't see the real transparency that we the people deserve. And that right there, is the problem. No one, will hold anyone in position, accountable for this absurdity.

  17. Re:Hope and Change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius man.

  18. Well, duh by arielCo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The NSA's job is to spy, so it makes sense to hire SIGINT people. The recent problem is who they've been spying on.

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  19. you're wise. Bad candidates after the primaries by raymorris · · Score: 1

    True indeed. In the last few elections, neither party had very attractive candidates make it past the primaries. Early on, McCain's long record of working across party lines made him very appealing. Then he went stupid and picked Palin apparently without spending any time with her, just based on demographics and "maverick" status for going against the party. Sure, demographically she's a good balance for him. He's old, she's young. He's male, she's female. He's experienced, she's clueless. Wtf - clueless is not okay.

  20. Nazi police state or tea party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am going Tea.

    I was a Obama democrat, but I see now to starve the beast we must kill its tax dollars.
     

    1. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am going Tea.

      I was a Obama democrat, but I see now to starve the beast we must kill its tax dollars.

      Thank you. I was beginning to think I was alone, and that all my fellow Democrats had completely abandoned the concept of individual liberty and freedom from illegal and un-Constitutional government mass surveillance on citizens.

      I used to bash, taunt, and denigrate the TEA people. I don't anymore. I put aside my bias and anger and actually looked at the things they are for with an open mind. I'm not in agreement with much of what they say they're for, but there is a LOT of common ground surrounding the issues of citizen's civil rights wrt/vs the US government.

      What we have here are CIVIL RIGHTS violations that affect everyone, regardless of your politics. This is a struggle between the people and the government for supremacy and control.

      Fuck it, we can argue about abortion, gay marriage, etc AFTER we join together and toss these assholes out. I mean, who doesn't understand by now that 98% of the BS the political Beltway talking heads argue about is simply a distraction to avert the publics attention away from those in government increasing their power and control at the cost of our liberty, privacy, and ability to provide for ourselves and our families?

      Maybe *this* is the trigger that presages a new paradigm where citizens of all ethnicities and political stripe unify at least partially in pure self-defense of their civil rights and survival of their individual liberty and privacy against the tyrannical government behemoth.

      I think history will look back very favorably on Mr. Snowden, *IF* we heed his warnings in time.

      If in 100 years history calls Snowden a traitor/criminal, then that same history will also note the collapse of the US into an authoritarian police state.

    2. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it cool when we had a pro-liberty, anti-censorship party on the one hand, and a small government party on the other? Those were the days ...

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    3. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well spoken Sir!
      This is a matter of civil rights. I am a New Zealander. We are constantly being bombarded with minor internal "issues" to distract
      us from the real problems at hand. This is an election year here and the Government is talking about shelling out money "left, right and center"
      where there is actually none. There is talk of a new flag for us as a nation! Good distraction?
      Meanwhile our CIVIL RIGHTS are eroded at the behest of our American "partners". See Trans Pacific Partnership.

      We are told "TERRORISTS" are dangerous and need to be spied on! The only Terrorist attack we have had was when the French bombed the
      "Rainbow Warrior". A bunch of wankers from GREENPEACE who happened to park a ship in one of our ports.

      Kim Dotcom... like or hate suffered an attack from the U.S.A on MY SOIL. OUR (MY) Government and agencies broke our laws.

      AMERICA Fuck Yeah!

    4. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      Fuck it, we can argue about abortion, gay marriage, etc AFTER we join together and toss these assholes out.

      No, you can't --- because if the people you're helping into power are doing so on an ideologically driven platform of denying freedom and equality, you're not going to improve the situation. Putting oppressive religious extremists who happen to want to cut their personal tax bills into the seats of power is not going to help anyone. A free country can work with leaders who say "I personally oppose abortion and same-sex marriage, but I will fight to the death to preserve your freedoms to act on your own conscious" --- but Tea Party nutters, on the other hand, typically use forcing people to their religious beliefs as a major selling point for kicking the current assholes out. A deeper understanding of freedom, beyond "we want more freedom to trample on people unlike us," is not an attribute of the American Taliban --- oops, Tea --- party.

    5. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but Tea Party nutters, on the other hand, typically use forcing people to their religious beliefs as a major selling point for kicking the current assholes out.

      That's not true at all. They want everyone to be free to believe whatever they want, as long as it doesn't involve forcing others to violate their beliefs to validate your own. What a hateful and narrow-minded view you have. I thought the Left was about tolerance. It looks like you are only tolerant of those with whom you agree.

      If you're going to hate on someone you should at least take the time to make sure exactly *why*, instead of taking hostile political talking points as fact. Hint: You're not going to get unbiased information about the TEA Party from the OFA website, Salon, the MSM, or HuffPo.

      Besides, if people like you continue to insist on playing into the politicians' divide-and-conquer strategy, none of anything you mentioned will matter, as nobody will be free enough to be able to choose either way or for it to matter.

      You're worried about whether or not a Christian baker can be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, yet the people you support in D.C. are supporting groups in the ME that stone gays to death regularly. Can a Christian force an Atheist-owned bakery, under the same laws, to bake Christian religious-themed cakes against their wishes and beliefs? How about a Muslim bakery and a Jewish wedding cake? Your blinder-wearing hypocrisy is epic.

      If you don't stop hating and step back and heed the larger picture, none of what either you or I believe in will matter soon. Wake the fuck up, man! You're playing right along with the game-plan of those who consider you to be nothing more than livestock.

    6. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      Hmm, none whatsoever of the sources you assume I'm getting info about the Tea party from (OFA website, Salon, the MSM, or HuffPo) are on my regular reading list. You seem to be basing your assumptions about my knowledge and motivations on a carefully-crafted straw-man version of generic "Liberal" thought. You already seem to know which "people I support in D.C." --- strange, I didn't mention that. And you're generally wrong, thanks to the preconceptions stilled in your mind by your propaganda overlords (speaking of "divide and conquer strategy").

      Can a Christian force an Atheist-owned bakery, under the same laws, to bake Christian religious-themed cakes against their wishes and beliefs? How about a Muslim bakery and a Jewish wedding cake?

      You do realize, in the case you are referring to, that the bakery was not forced to make a "gay themed wedding cake." They were asked to provide a cake, the exact same service they provide to any other customer that walked in the door. They weren't required to write "I love anal sex" in the frosting, or decorate the cake with erect wieners. When a person goes into a sandwich shop and asks for a sandwich on the menu, I don't support the shop's right to say "we don't serve black people here, get out." If a Muslim bakery only does wedding cakes with Islamic religious symbols, and that's what they offer to all their customers, then they shouldn't be expected to turn out a special-order star-of-David cake. But, they should be expected to offer the same services to red-headed customers as to blond customers. Allowing businesses to discriminate based on the race, gender, creed, etc., of their customers --- people buying the same stuff they sell to everyone else --- has a nasty history, and is not conducive to a free society.

    7. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      no you had two center right parties one of which has been taken over by right wing extremists

    8. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Ohh, you're one of those. Well, glad you had your Two Minutes Hate against Trotsky, err, Goldstein, err, right wing extremists, and can go back to obeying those causing the problems.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    9. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohh, you're one of those

      Indeed comrade, he is one of those. We hate him. Hate hate hate hate hate. Is it two minutes yet?

    10. Re:Nazi police state or tea party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I invite you to dress & portray yourself as obviously Jewish and/or gay and walk into a muslim bakery in Dearborn MI and try that shit. Be sure to bring a sack to take your head home in. You never hear about gays trying to run that game in Dearborn on muslim/islamic-family-owned businesses. They'd rather pick "soft" targets that they know won't simply kill them outright.

  21. Worse than re-branding ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't really matter when the thing started because agencies that ignore the existence of the Constitutions are malicious cancers that can one day kill the nation.

    It is up to the President of the United States to SHUT DOWN the offending agency (and / or agencies) in order to stem the malicious progression of these dangerous agencies.

    The fact that Obama refuses to shut it down says a lot about the lack of integrity of the individual. As the POTUS he has to answer not only to his own office, but also to the hundreds of millions of the Citizens of the United States of America - and in this role, Obama has failed his job as the POTUS, the oval office - the satus of which the POTUS represents, and, the ***NATION*** !

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  22. Clapper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    When is Clapper getting charged with lying to Congress? He even admitted to it.

  23. Re:NSA spied on Copenhagen climate summit .. by artor3 · · Score: 2

    Good. That's the sort of thing the NSA should be doing. Providing a dossier on the expected positions of other countries in a major summit.

  24. Re:NSA spied on Copenhagen climate summit .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Providing a dossier on the positions

    Fixed that for you.

  25. Adult supervision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only way I'll consider this a change to be a move towards adult leadership is if the new guy dismantles the starship bridge and starts getting serious about a real "cyber" DEFENSE instead of running a "malware of the month club" employing contract PFY script kiddies. If DoD can't get that done maybe half their budget should be peeled off and donated to a private foundation that can. We need to close as many security holes as we can and deploy more robust defenses to preserve our the global communications and computing infrastructure. I'm thinking that the US DoD, which includes the NSA, has demonstrated an inability, an unwillingness, to take on that difficult task -- whether because they're too stupid or too lazy to succeed at it. In any event, they've been shown to have a fatal conflict of interest, leaving us with no choice but to completely reject anything they say now as untrustworthy.

  26. Why even bother with the formalities? by hackus · · Score: 1

    Just start loading large numbers of people...oh excuse me, "undesirables" into box cars and kill them and be done with it.

    This can't lead to anything else.

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  27. lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at least it wasn't a rear admiral; else we'd all be proper fucked

  28. Obama sucks big fat donkey dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's worse than Bush the W could ever have been, all of this after he promised to rid us of Bush's tyranny.

    Hah. Aren't we the suckers?

  29. Bring us their heads by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Hell, Congress had no time to read the Patriot act until after the vote either.

    This act wasn't etched in stone by God on a mountaintop; someone wrote it. While the bumblefuck congresscritters that voted on it without reading are accomplices, the real traitors are the authors that should be tried and convicted by the very judicial system they betrayed.

  30. Re:NSA spied on Copenhagen climate summit .. by Xest · · Score: 2

    Even more so when you consider that:

    1) This was the summit where Russia conveniently made a fuss about the hacked CRU e-mails that were taken only a few weeks before the summit

    2) Climate change has a genuine impact on national security interests, as it can change the quality of habitability of areas leading to destabilisation

    Really, when Russia tried to pull the rug out from under the summit because it's entire survival post-USSR collapse has been built off burning fossil fuels by being the likely culprit behind the CRU hack the subsequent propaganda campaign I'm kinda glad the NSA is involved with that particular one. Whatever your thoughts are on the reality of climate change I wouldn't fancy the idea of Russia doing such things unchallenged and without the other heads of state getting a heads up and hence getting to dictate the climate story all by itself and unilaterally influencing such important summits to it's benefit and only it's benefit.

  31. Single point of failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that at such critical choke-points it would be wise to have 2 (or better 3) "co-heads." Despite the inevitable clash of egos and the well-known "rule-by-committee" issues, the greater likelihood of accountability and transparency would make this a better option.