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Apple Reportedly Testing Inductive, Solar and Motion Charging For Its Smartwatch

An anonymous reader writes in with the latest from the rumor mill about a possible Apple smartwatch. "We've heard that when Apple reveals its first smartwatch product, there's going to be a heavy focus on health and fitness, but There might also be a way to charge the wearable without plugging it in, according to a report from the New York Times. Inductive charging came in a wave of smartphones last year, including Google's Nexus 4 and Nokia's Lumia 920 range, although we don't often see it in anything smaller than a phone (or camera) form-factor. Apple, however, is looking into cramming the same technology into its iWatch, or whatever it eventually calls its debut wearable."

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  1. Apple tests everything by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

    These are basically all the possible ways to recharge a wristwatch that currently exist, except for physical mechanical contacts. This shouldn't be surprising because if there's one thing history has taught us, it's that Apple tries out practically every permutation of hardware in the R&D process. There were rumours that the "Apple tablet" would come in three screen sizes; it was later revealed that Apple had been testing three sizes on its campus to decide which one it preferred. There were rumours that they'd launch a version with no mechanical buttons; it was disclosed that Apple had tested that permutation too.

    Whenever you read an Apple product rumour, before you even question the legitimacy of the source, ask yourself: is there any reason to suppose this is any more than a speculative prototype on their part?

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    1. Re:Apple tests everything by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they don't.

      Apple's hallmark is to rush a product to market without thoroughly testing it. Hence, all the technical and usability problems since Jobs took over on the second go round, and, hence, the classic line by Apple apologists, "Never buy the first iteration of an Apple product."

      It's usually a good rule do thumb to never buy the first iteration of any computer software or hardware product at all, especially software.

      The rest of your post is either blatant trolling or a symptom of some psychological disorder and so not worthy of a response.

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    2. Re:Apple tests everything by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except you can write off solar instantly. There is not enough square inches to charge your smartwatch on your wrist. Some regular digitals get away with it because displaying the time on an LCD takes almost no power. Talking BT to your phone and all the smart stuff takes a buttload more power, way over what a small solar cell can deliver. (And honestly, the solar watches do NOT recharge, they simply offset power use their batteries eventually die and need replacement)

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    3. Re:Apple tests everything by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Aside from the legitimacy of the source, it is probably worth asking whether the 'source' is actually revealing anything. As you say, those are pretty much the methods by which rechargeable watches are recharged, omitting only physical contacts, which are somewhat inelegant, hard to keep clean, and not very 'Apple'.

      It's quite possible that the source is correct; but you hardly need insider information to hypothesize that 'If Apple is making a watch, they'll test today's common methods for recharging watches'.

    4. Re:Apple tests everything by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      I think that you are talking about slightly different things: Apple has the reputation (they don't tend to show prototypes; but as best people have been able to tell it's deserved) for exhaustive pre-release testing of various design permutations. When they release something, it's already been tried in a zillion variants, and they aren't sending it out as a 'trial balloon' to see if the market likes it (occasionally they fuck up and have to backtrack, as with that iteration of the iPod shuffle that eliminated all input on the device in favor of controls in the headphones; but they don't like doing that).

      However, they also have the reputation, also fairly well deserved(if, in fairness, probably partially because of their willingness to discard last year's design in favor of something new, rather than just spec bumping it and changing the plastics color), for inadequate testing of details of mechanical, materials, and sometimes board design considerations that become evident once a larger number of units hit the real world. iPod Nanos that scratch like crazy, palm rests that yellow surprisingly swiftly on contact with human skin and gross user-goo, that sort of thing.

      When Apple releases a new product, the design has almost certainly been exhaustively tested against other possible configurations; but (partially because of their obsessive secrecy, partially because this sort of testing is just hard without a very large test population), it is quite common for Rev. A to have some sort of nasty weakness show up in the weeks or months following release, usually caused by a material properties or design detail that wasn't evident at a prototype scale.

    5. Re:Apple tests everything by geogob · · Score: 2

      I think your are mixing things up. The iPhone 4 was not the 4th generation of a product. It was the 4th series of mobile telephone produced by Apple, but the first geneation of that particular series. Depending on what you call a generation, your might agree or not with this view, but considering very little remained from the 3rd series in the design of the 4th, I'm inclinded to believe this view is correct.

      It's a bit like with cars... you never buy the first cars produced on a new production line. never. If your do, you'll pay for it. Even if model X was sold previously, maybe from different production lines, the first generation of model X built on a new line will always be flawed (both due to production adjustment and engineering flaws). This is the "rule" which was refered to and it holds quite well for the iPhone 4, I would say.

    6. Re:Apple tests everything by asylumx · · Score: 3, Informative

      all the smart stuff takes a buttload more power

      You measure power in gallons?


      (a "butt" as a unit of measure is approximately 126 gallons)

    7. Re: Apple tests everything by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you nuts? How the heck should we then sell you a new one every other year?

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    8. Re:Apple tests everything by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      You are baiting for a "your mom" joke, you know that, right?

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    9. Re:Apple tests everything by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Personally, my phone lasts just long enough to get me through a day, and I hate it. A watch that only lasts a day is just useless. Not to mention that there's plenty of situations where that watch on my wrist wouldn't be getting direct sunlight, or even light of any kind. Any time I'm wearing a jacket outside, the thing would get no light. So basically from September to April. Solar power is only good for the "Designed by Apple in California" crowd, but it fails for a lot of other people, similar to touch screens that don't work with gloves.

      For me, a watch is something I like to just wear all the time. I don't want to take it off at night to recharge it, I want to be able to wear it swimming. Personally, I think it would be nice if it had a little battery that you could pop in and out. Have a couple batteries and just swap the battery every few days. But that would probably go against Apple's design philosphy, as well as make it quite a bit more difficult to waterproof.

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    10. Re: Apple tests everything by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      I don't get this kind of complaint. Sure Apple puts out new models every year, but that doesn't mean you have to buy it. Apple is actually one of the better companies for releasing product updates especially as it pertains to mobile devices. If this was an Android device where the not uncommon occurrence is no updates after it leaves the factory, then I could your comment making sense. Also, I'd much rather have them release a new model every year than try to sell the same old model for the same old price year after year.

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    11. Re: Apple tests everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also, I'd much rather have them release a new model every year than try to sell the same old model for the same old price year after year.

      *cough*TI-89*cough*

  2. £10 says.... by philip.mather5551 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...they miss the point and try and make it sing, dance & make morning toast for you and that the motion and solar charging is a frantic attempt to make the battery life acceptable. Inductive charging would be good but anyone in the smart watch arena needs to take a leaf out o Pebbles book and keep it simple.

    1. Re:£10 says.... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Funny

      isn't it just an iPod nano with a wrist-band?

    2. Re:£10 says.... by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Jobs was still around that would probably be it. Except it wouldn't have taken this long to develop.

    3. Re:£10 says.... by rreay · · Score: 2

      This might be the first time I've ever heard someone speculate about Apple putting in too many features.

  3. "Motion charging" by cerberusss · · Score: 2

    "Motion charging".... hehehehe.... yeah I bet they test that a lot at Apple.

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  4. Re:Duh? by Tx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple didn't make a success of the iPhone by being first to market with a smartphone, they did it by getting it right. I'm no Apple fanboy, and I own no Apple products, but current smartwatches are a joke, and if anyone is going to take the concept beyond niche/gimmick level, it wouldn't entirely surprise me if it was Apple.

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  5. Re:Duh? by paziek · · Score: 2

    Yeah, they didn't make a success of the Apple TV, so its not like everything they touch magically becomes popular. They had their failures in the past.

  6. Re:Duh? by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They are still testing something like this? Samsung's Galaxy Gear came out already. The capability to quickly bring attractive and reliable products to market is a key factor in modern electronics industry.

    Why are they testing this iPod thing? I mean Creative Labs and others have come out with MP3 players already. The ability to quickly bring attractive and reliable products to market is a key factor in modern electronics industry (so there isn't a hope in hell this iPod thing will ever be a commercial success).

    The thing is that first to market is not everything. You also have to design the stuff you bring to market well and Apple has a history of appealing to customers by successfully reinventing/redesigning stuff that others have implemented badly and Apple evidently believes they can do it again.

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  7. Re:THERE WILL BE NO IWATCH by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

    Nobody wears watches nowadays.

    Instead they wear a small clock attached to a strap wrapped around their wrist.

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  8. Re:Duh? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

    Pebble users would generally disagree with you. What they do, they do very well.

  9. Re:Haute horologie. by jabuzz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except they are mechanical winding. The Sekio Kinetic which turns that into electrical charging seems to keep my watch working just fine, and I sit at a computer all day as my job.

    Of course the issue is that mechanical electrical generation aka Sekio Kinetic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... and solar electrical generation aka the Citizen EcoDrive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E... provide tiny amounts of power to keep a watch going, and could not provide anywhere near sufficient power for a smart watch.

  10. Re:Duh? by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, they didn't make a success of the Apple TV, so its not like everything they touch magically becomes popular. They had their failures in the past.

    Apple TV outsells for example Xbox 360 for the last two years, Wii U, and probably a lot of other devices that you think are very successful.

  11. 30% by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    And of course, 30% of all harvested energy belongs to Apple.

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  12. Re:Duh? by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its more like marketing. BTW the only MP3 player I ever bought was from Creative Labs and at least their bundled headphones weren't a complete POS. I plugged it in and i looked just like any other USB pen and I can drag and drop MP3 files into it easily. Much better than having to use iTunes.

    And yet for some reason millions upon millions of people disagreed and bought the iPod, and don't tell me it was just marketing. There is always more to a blockbuster hit it than just marketing.

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  13. Re:Haute horologie. by soundguy · · Score: 2

    There's nothing "elite" about the mechanism. I got a self-winding watch made by Seiko for my 18th birthday in 1973. I don't know what it cost, but we were a decidedly middle-class family. Still works great BTW.

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  14. Re:just walk over the inductive pads for buses by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    I get the feeling you dont understand how inductive power works.

  15. Energy from the blood stream. by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A watch can be easily connected to the blood vessels in the wrist and use the O2 / glucose mix as an energy source like the rest of your body. Recharge by eating. This would be real bleeding-edge technology.

    Note that the use of blood as a power source (for implants) is seriously being researched. Look up "biofuel cell".

  16. Smartphone Revolution by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    the Slashdot crowd still hasn't gotten over the shock of people preferring simplicity and portability over features.

    Actually most have their music on their phones. I use https://play.google.com/store/... Vanilla Music on Android. In fact people everywhere are ditching their iPods for Android.

  17. Apple fanbois ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... wear on fapping hand. Problem solved.

  18. Google is your friend by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    The iPhone arrived late? What else was available in 2007 with a touch screen, browser, etc? I mean I don't like them any better than the next guy, but I'm interested to know what prior art you speak of.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... browsers have been available on phones since at least 1994 ironically the first example given fro a mobile browser is the Apple Newton!? It suggests the first mobile phones was in 1996 with " Unwired Planet (later to become Openwave) put their "UP.Browser" on AT&T handsets" So beating Apple by 11 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... capacitive touch screen work began in 1965!? Hell the nintendo DS even have touchscreen back in 2004. In fact a whole host of companies where working on todays capacitive phone around that time...including samsung. In fact famously the iPhone looks eerily similar to a Sony Prototype. Although here is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... LG Prada which was on the market 6 months before the iPhone.

    The original iPhone was a hell of a device, but was built on established technology.

  19. Re:Duh? by dnavid · · Score: 2

    Of course, millions upon millions of people bought Windows. Sometimes the mob is not smart.

    Actually, most of the millions upon millions of people who use Windows did not explicitly buy Windows. Sometimes the mob isn't even given a choice.

    Its also worth noting that sometimes you can only push the mob so far. Its interesting that many hardware vendors that had previously gone along with Microsoft and changed their entire home PC lineup to be Windows 8 exclusively are now offering Windows 7 preloaded PCs again. There's only one reason to do that, and that's because those vendors believe forcing people to choose between Windows 8 or nothing is causing many people to choose nothing. I'm taking no small pleasure in lumping Windows 8 supporters with New Coke supporters and predicting the same ultimate destiny for both.