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Russia Bans Bitcoin

mask.of.sanity writes "Russia has banned digital currency Bitcoin under existing laws and dubbed use of the crypto-currency as 'suspicious'. The Central Bank of Russia considers Bitcoin as a form of 'money substitute' or 'money surrogate' (statement in Russian) which is restricted under Russian law. However, unlike use of restricted foreign currencies, Bitcoin has been outright banned. The US Library of Congress has issued a report examining the regulatory approaches national financial authorities have taken to the currency."

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  1. Which, of course, really means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...if they catch you running an illegal operation using Bitcoins, the necessary bribe to the authorities just got bigger.

    1. Re:Which, of course, really means... by wagnerrp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Speaking of libertarians. Where are all the property-is-everything, guns-and-freedom, company-defending people now? My opinion on the beta is, yes, it sucks. But do you guys really think you own this site?

      No. They are owned by the site. They are the product, sold to ad agencies, and the site is the manufacturing facility. The Beta is a new manufacturing process line being constructed, and the complaints are product being rejected by quality control. If the issues are not resolved by the time the new line goes live, manufacturing volume will suffer, customers will not have anything to purchase, and profits will suffer.

  2. R.I.P. Slashdot by PGC · · Score: 4, Informative

    May she rest in peace. Slashdot 09-1997 - 02-2015

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  3. Here we are now by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The introduction of Beta is like a nuclear power plant disaster where the site is currently a ghost town with no real discussion anymore but lamenting souls crying out the pain.

  4. Fuck Bitcoin by dvh.tosomja · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, err, Fuck Beta

  5. Gay? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Russia declares BitCoin Gay!! Who's going to pull out of the Olympics over this one?

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    1. Re:Gay? by rotovator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now that russians have banned bitcoin, Western press and media will rush to praise this currency and write statements about how russians want to destroy the western and are intolerants.

      Western governments might have to admit they want to do as evil as the russians have done regarding Bitcoin or let people escape their monetary control with the propaganda of the "freedom and liberty in the western "

  6. Putin and Beta by Akratist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, guess I'd better use my mods points before they're worthless, huh? Anyway, Russia banning Bitcoin should remind all the Obama-haters and Putin-lovers that Russia still somewhat on the authoritarian side. I've never gotten the mindset that just because Putin likes to stick his finger in the American Empire's eye, that he's a strong supporter for human rights, liberty, etc. I will say that America probably has surpassed Russia in lack of real liberty in recent years (yeah, they'll throw you in jail for exercising free speech, but we're drowning in laws that we often don't know we're breaking until we get arrested and our lives ruined; they have an incarceration rate that is half of ours, etc), but that just means we're worse, not that they're better.

    1. Re:Putin and Beta by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Somewhat authoritarian?

      Isn't that a lot like a little bit pregnant?

  7. Re:Timothy confirms Slashdot Classic will be gone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, it's not over until the fat lady sings. I wouldn't set a death date yet. But I have to say the site is quite messed up right now with all the comments talking only about the suckiness of Beta.

    I do see two problematic things:

    1) They already asked feedback Oct 1, 2013 and didn't listen us. Why would they this time? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
    2) As you said, the Beta site is currently so far from something usable that they will have a lot of work ahead if they actually want to make it function properly.

  8. This isn't a Beta post by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the '80s Reagan banned Soviet Russia

  9. That is an insult by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Central Bank of Russia considers Bitcoin as a form of 'money substitute'

    That is an insult. Regular money can be made "at will" by banks and the fact that it is only handed to society for usury ("interest") and some real-value things (like houses) as security, makes it drain any society at no cost to the banks themselves. The funny thing is that all banks can create money, but private persons are criminals when they do exactly the same.

    Bitcoins do not come with built-in usury and cannot be made infinitely. Bitcoins do not have built-in discrimination about who can abuse who. Bitcoins are more than a money substitute: Bitcoins make sense. Our current money system does not.

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    1. Re:That is an insult by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Central Bank of Russia considers Bitcoin as a form of 'money substitute'

      That is an insult. Regular money can be made "at will" by banks and the fact that it is only handed to society for usury ("interest") and some real-value things (like houses) as security, makes it drain any society at no cost to the banks themselves. The funny thing is that all banks can create money, but private persons are criminals when they do exactly the same.

      Bitcoins do not come with built-in usury and cannot be made infinitely. Bitcoins do not have built-in discrimination about who can abuse who. Bitcoins are more than a money substitute: Bitcoins make sense. Our current money system does not.

      Money is whatever people use to pay for the exchange of goods and services. In prison, cigarettes are money. When the Europeans first set foot in North America, they gave the natives various trinkets in exchange for goods. The Dutch purchased the island of Manhattan for about $24US worth of beads. Money is whatever people say is money.

  10. Re:We get it you don't like the beta by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly its been two days can we stop bitching about the fucking beta?

    • Is it still there?
    • Is it still by design different enough that it cannot be made to do all the things classic can do?
    • Is the plan still to replace slashdot with it?

    If the answers to these questions are "yes", there is a need to continue our picketing.

    This better continue until the site is improved by scrapping Beta as the failed project it has proven itself to be, and until Shravan Goli has been replaced with someone who understands this particular business and why people (and thus advertisers) come here.

    I care about Slashdot. A great deal. So much so that I don't want to see it run into the ground. Which is exactly what will happen with the Beta - it is broken by design, and cannot be "incrementally improved" until it works as well as the flawed system I use now.
    As long as the managers are unwilling to see this, shout it. Shout it louder. Don't let Slashdot die due to someone's pride and a vision of "unified" experience from someone who doesn't even understand that this is a contributor site, not an audience site, and the fundamental difference between the two.

    You have the power to change the site.
    You do not have the power to change the contributors.
    When the two clash, keep in mind what people come here for, which attracts advertisers. Hint: It's not to look at the design or headlines.

  11. Re:We get it you don't like the beta by TheloniousToady · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly its been two days can we stop bitching about the [expletive] beta?

    Bitching about the beta actually still serves a useful purpose. It demonstrates that the primary use of the moderation system here is to push personal agendas rather than to objectively rate comments. Objectively speaking, your comment either should be left alone, because your point is obvious, or it should be promoted to +1, because it's valid. However, in terms of the prevailing agenda, your comment actually deserves its demotion from 0 to -1.

    Moderators, thanks demonstrating the enforcement of Slashorthodoxy. I'm not sure whether or not my own comment is orthodox, but if you disagree with me that moderators here push their own agenda, feel free to demote it.

  12. What would Ronald Raegan do? by Nightbrood · · Score: 5, Funny

    I believe he would say, "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this beta."

    #IamSlashdot

  13. Positive effect of Beta by jbeaupre · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is a serious benefit of Beta you are all ignoring. Productivity around the world is increasing due to people preferring to work instead of reading Slashdot.

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  14. Re:I love the new Beta! by CdBee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They have not yet made an acceptable response. therefore, f*** Beta. On my last few days here unless there is a total and unequivocal reversal of course on Dice' behalf

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  15. Re:We get it you don't like the beta by fatphil · · Score: 3, Informative

    What Alice Hill, President at Slashdot Media, writes on her Linked-In page:

      Proven track record innovating and improving iconic websites
      (Slashdot.org, ...) while protecting their voice and brand integrity

    She's the one claiming to be responsible for this fuck-up. She's the one who needs nuking from orbit (it's the only way to be sure).

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  16. bitcoin is an exchange mecanism by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indeed, bitcoin is a protocol used to push around numerical value (which are counted is bitcoins, BTC).
    Your IRS or any other tax service shouldn't tax bitcoin, just the same way that they don't tax your paypal account (as is litteraly putting a tax on the e-mail address itself) nor (for a more extreme metaphore) put a tax on your credit cards (litteraly taxing the actual bit of plastic with a "Visa" or "Master card" logo on them).

    Bitcoin protocol is a mean to exchange value (except that you don't directly push around any official currency, but instead you push BTC around and convert to/from BTC using exchanges, payment processors, etc.)
    This is exactly the same as paypal is a service used to do online payment, and as a credit card is a mean to do payment.

    At the end of the day, a merchant using BTC as mean of payment, will exchange them to a local currencies (USD, EUR, whatever is here around) usually in a completely automatic manner (using a payment processor such as coinbase, bitpay, etc.)
      So at the end of the day, a merchant will make revenue in local currency (USD, EUR) and that what the merchant has to declare as a revenue:
    the flow of USD/EUR/etc. going to the merchant's bank account. The tax service shouldn't give a fuck is that money was conveyed using paper money at a cash register, or using commercial centralised payment methods like PayPal or MasterCard, or a distributed crypto-currency as bitcoin.
    What matter is at the end of the day, a merchant made XXXX USD/EUR and has to pay taxes, social charges, inssurances, etc. from this amount.

    Also, to the poster above: please stop spreading the disinformation that bitcoin can't be tracked. In fact, the whole security principle of bitcoin lies on the exact opposite: every single transaction is broadcasted to the whole network, so every single node is able to verify it.

    The closest thing the bitcoin protocol has is "pseudonymity". Identity of parties in a transaction aren't directly disclosed in the clear:
    - it's not 'Mr XXX, living at adress AAA' has sent bitcoins to 'Ms. YYYY living at BBBB'"
    - it's more like 'account [public key 1]' has sent bitcoins to 'account [public key 2]'
    On the other hand, if Ms. YYYY happens to be a merchant, she has the name and address of Mr. XXX and can map it to a public address. Government have enough ressouces to do such mapping on a large scale and completely remove any anonymity.
    But you're shielded from your neighbours accidentally discovering that you spent money at a sex-shop.

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