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How To Take Control of a Car's Electronics, Cheap

mspohr writes with this excerpt from The Register: "Spanish hackers have been showing off their latest car-hacking creation; a circuit board using untraceable, off-the-shelf parts worth $20 that can give wireless access to the car's controls while it's on the road. The device, which will be shown off at next month's Black Hat Asia hacking conference, uses the Controller Area Network (CAN) ports car manufacturers build into their engines for computer-system checks. Once assembled, the smartphone-sized device can be plugged in under some vehicles, or inside the bonnet of other models, and give the hackers remote access to control systems. 'A car is a mini network,' security researcher Alberto Garcia Illera told Forbes. 'And right now there's no security implemented.'"

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  1. Not a totally remote exploit. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The hacker has to physically install a dongle in the port, or plug the hard ware somewhere under the hood of the car. Once that is done, it would be possible to control the cars electronics remotely.

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    1. Re:Not a totally remote exploit. by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

      Yes, but they'll do it anyways

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  2. Bluetooth ODB-II? by chill · · Score: 4, Informative

    And how does this differ from the Bluetooth ODB-II connector I use to stream car data to my cell phone? That is wireless and also requires being plugged into the diagnostic port on the car.

    I can pull all sorts of data from that. If I spend a little more, I can get a full CAN-bus connection and actually *send* information and control things.

    This isn't hacking. It is a product demo for VW.

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  3. Re:No security? How about Physical security? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

    If you need physical access then it's not a hack and doesn't show lack of security.

  4. Physical Access by Pcgeek21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This issue surrounds physical access to the vehicle, at which point no amount of security is going to be able to protect it (it will only make it more difficult to do). Adding security would make it significantly more difficult for mechanics and enthusiasts to work with their vehicles. My vote is towards adding a notification light on the dash board for when a device is connected to the vehicle's computer (that cannot be turned off by the computer [e.g. controlled by an auxiliary system]), which would notify the user that something is not right (if they did not connect something).

  5. Here you go spaz retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taken from the wise wjwln
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  6. Re:Say what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    It's only use is as a gadget in CSI for the gang to figure out to determine it was the husband that sabotaged the wife's car and drove her off a cliff, after all, the husband would need physical access, and he'd have it, as he has a set of keys.

  7. Re:No security? How about Physical security? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    It's reasonable to assume that no hacker will have physical access to your computer. For your car, that's a much less reasonable assumption. Cars sit unattended in public places for long periods, so someone intent on messing with you will probably have little trouble gaining access to your car and installing this box.

    A simple way to improve security somewhat would be to require CAN devices to be paired with the car's computer. IIRC Volvo used to do this; installing a CD player on the CAN bus required a trip to the dealer to pair it, but they've since disabled this security as it was "too troublesome".

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  8. Not with a bang, but with a Beta. by emmagsachs · · Score: 2, Insightful

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  9. The different buses... by batistuta · · Score: 2

    Most cars have a high speed CAN, for all functions needing messages at a rate of about 10 or 20 ms like Abs, engine, etc. There is also a low speed CAN, which is used for things like heating, and low rate signals of about 100 and 200 ms. The advantage of low speed CAN is that it can be put into low power and use it to wake up devices, like a wake up on LAN. I Then there is the LIN bus. This is a low speed, single wire cheap bus. It is used for things like wipers. These are the basic three buses.

    Cars like BMW and Mercedes have two or three high speed CAN, a MOST bus for entertainment, and a flexray for safety critical applications. Other manufacturers use TTP instead of flexray, but the safety and timing is in both cases the main reason for not using CAN throughout.

    Cars are also slowly rolling out Ethernet, mostly due to the high speed and low cost.

    All buses are connected to each other in one way or the other via dedicated gateways. These gateways are usually not pure network gateways, but standard ECUs used for vehicle functions, also serving as gateways.

    Then there are internal buses. For example some controllers include multiple ECUs connected via SPI or similar. The engine ECU is almost always connected to the CAN bus because it requires a lot of information from other systems, such as speed, gas pedal input, etc. The actual firing of the sparks is very time critical, and this is after done via a dedicated TPU controller, integrated as a sub core in the engine ECU (take a look at the MPC555 documentation), connected to the main ECU via an internal bus.

    The point is that no one gives a Shit if you Fuck up your car by plugging something to one of the vehicle buses. From the OEM perspective, the car must be non hackable from the outside, but once you are in, it's your problem.