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Ask Slashdot: How Do You To Tell Your Client That His "Expert" Is an Idiot?

Esther Schindler writes "It's a danger for any consultant, and for most inter-departmental internal project staff: To get the work done, you need to work with someone else who supplies expertise you lack. But when the 'expert' turns out to be the wrong person how do you tell the client (or boss) that you just can't work with that individual?"

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  1. It's never happened to me by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oddly enough, I never had to work with anyone who was completely incompetent. Some didn't know squat about the technical side of things, but their business knowledge was impeccable, and that was what they brought to the table.

    Maybe the problem isn't whether they're an expert in the field, but whether you know how to communicate with someone outside your field.

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    1. Re:It's never happened to me by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
      One of the downsides of above-average intelligence is a propensity to discount contributions and/or suggestions from those cerebrally challenged.

      The truth is, you can learn something from everyone, and an expert in a specific field with an IQ approaching his body temperature knows some stuff that you do not.

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      Ernest Hemingway

  2. Re:Old fashioned idea... by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Be as diplomatic as possible, but completely factual and provide as much evidence as possible. You never know what relationship the 'expert' has to the client/boss.

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  3. Re:Old fashioned idea... by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Know the important facts before you start:

    Is the idiot related to anybody? Does he play golf with the CEO? Does he have dirt on somebody?

    You can bet the 'idiot' has something.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  4. Re:Replace Idiot with Incompetent by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Either way, if you can't call out losers, you'll wind up being one.

    I like it. That line should be elevated to "ancient chinese proverb" status.

  5. Re:Old fashioned idea... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're facing a problem here:

    Your boss hired this person, most likely for a lot of money. He has to justify that expense. Admitting now that he fell for a snakeoil peddler is not something that will further his career.

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  6. Re:Its Easy by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you bill for time and materials, the headaches turn in to more cash.

    Not really, you spend all your time working on a project that's doomed to failure because the client wont listen. When it does fall through you cop the blame and the idiot client tells everyone at the golf club how useless you are. This is what I mean by "in the long term", what you're proposing is short term gain with no consideration of long term effects.

    If you don't understand how important reputation is as a consultant, you've never been a consultant.

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  7. You Don't by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Structure contracts, fees, tangible goals so if the "expert" slows you down, you get paid more.

    The idea of avoiding idiots is lunacy, you make due with the cards dealt. If they have an "idiot" as an "expert", this speaks a lot about them and they probably need your help quite a bit.

    If they didn't need your help, they wouldn't have hired you!

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    1. Re:You Don't by carlos92 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of times there is NO solution:
      - problem is badly described,
      - idiot expert promises quick, simple solution and explaining why it won't work takes an excessive amount of time or knowledge that the client doesn't have,
      - idiot expert knows client from college,
      - idiot expert lives next door and you work offshore from South America,
      - client company is populated by alpha males who like quick decisions and never back down,
      - a combination of the above (I have first hand knowledge about this situation).

      Sometimes the best option is to watch the explosion from far away enough that you're not killed and near enough to be the first responder.

  8. Re:It's even worse when the "Boss" is an idiot... by bobbied · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and doesn't know the first thing about the job the people under him do.

    Actually this is NOT a reason to trash your boss. I've had a number of managers who didn't have a clue how to do my job who where extremely effective and great to work for. We had a mutual understanding and respect for each one's roll. With one, he didn't have a clue how to design a network and stand up the equipment because it was MY job to do that for him. He just pointed me to the project and we would discuss the details he needed to know (cost, schedule etc) and I did what was required. He knew I was going to tell him what I really thought about the cost and schedule and trusted me to do the work within the cost and schedule I gave him. I knew he would insulate me from the management garbage and wasn't going to throw me to the wolves if there was some unexpected slip or overrun. We did status reports on large projects and he would stop by regularly to talk about things, but he NEVER wanted to tell me how to do this or that, and if we where behind schedule or over cost I WAS TELLING HIM about it. We trusted each other to do their jobs and it worked great.

    So, I actually think that the most effective bosses don't have to know all the ins and outs of what his employees do. But what they DO need is the ability to surround themselves with people who DO KNOW what needs to be done and empowering them to do their jobs. Bosses that know all the details are sometimes way to eager to try and micromanage their underlings and it takes a rare talent to let your employees do the work for you. I'll ALWAYS take a manager with the talent to delegate over one with perfect domain knowledge.

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  9. Best outcome if your service is quality-based by hessian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I took concerns to my management and said I would not implement their solution and outlined why. Their response was to pull me from the project and put in a yes-man that would do whatever he was told.

    Your other option was to play nice like the dummies are advocating, and have a failed project as a black stain on your resume.

    You did the right thing. So did they. Good people are incompatible with idiots.