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Music Industry Is Keeping Streaming Services Unprofitable

Lucas123 writes "Music streaming services, forced to give from 60% to 70% of their revenue to the record industry, will never be profitable in their current state, a new report shows. Unless the services can monetize their user base by entering new product and service categories, or they can sell themselves to a larger company that can sustain them, they're doomed to fail. One method that subscription services might be able to use to achieve profitability is to up sell mobile deals or bundles to subscribers. For example, a select package of mobile services would be sold through the music service provider, the report from Generator Research suggested. 'Services like iTunes Match and Google and Amazon are already heading in this direction,' the report states. Another possibility would be for a larger company to purchase the music service or for the service to begin offering sanitized user behavioral data to advertisers, who could then better target a customer base."

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  1. Morons One And all by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And exactly how profitable are torrents to the music industry?

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    1. Re:Morons One And all by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And exactly how profitable are torrents to the music industry?

      Without driving people to torrents and claiming the world is rife with piracy the record labels have no bogey man to haul out and parade back and forth for more corporate welfare laws. I think Princess Leia said it best: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." A pretty good analogy.

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    2. Re:Morons One And all by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without driving people to torrents and claiming the world is rife with piracy the record labels have no bogey man to haul out

      Oh its much worse than that.

      Here Itunes, Google, Pandora, and World Plus Dog have demonstrated to the music industry EXACTLY how they can reshape their business, both for
      streaming and for buying. They have handed them an entirely new business plan, and proven that it works.

      Yet still they seem content to press CDs, and let someone else manage the on line sales without lifting a finger, yet all the while moaning about piracy,
      and raping the artists.

      As soon as the artists decide to go direct to Google and iTunes the Labels are done, and good riddance to them.

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    3. Re:Morons One And all by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is there is absolutely no need for a record company anymore. The record companies are trying their damnedest to keep that a secret for as long as possible.

    4. Re:Morons One And all by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, but, but! The world where they robbed foolish hick kids into signing away their lives for a paltry advance; they made payola to drive out talent and make room in playlists for their brand; they went after people who only wanted to listen to their record or CD when they were in their car or jogging. That's the only world they know!

      You can't expect an industry entrenched into that way of thinking is willing to emerge from their bunker.

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    5. Re:Morons One And all by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wait, What?

      Several companies are already doubling as a label.
      Look here: https://play.google.com/artist...
      And here: https://www.apple.com/itunes/w...
      http://www.tunecore.com/index/...

      And the Music industry isn't in a position to take on Google and Itunes and Amazon. Those three companies decide not to sell your crap-music, at your crap-prices, and you are pretty much dead in the water as a label.

      Artists are getting smarter. They are starting to care about the license terms, and while they may release their first hits to a label more and more of them are declining to take long term contracts and trying the indi market.

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    6. Re:Morons One And all by jhol13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes there is. The record company has "producers".
      The producers ensure that the music does not annoy anyone[1], is de-s'd, autotuned, limited, compressed, and what not to sound exactly same as everybody else.

      Imagine what music would be without aforementioned professionals! It might sound interesting, for god's sake!

      [1] The worst that can happen to a radio station is listeners to change the station. Sounding annoying or being (too) different is sure way to do it.

  2. Cut Out The Middle Men by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Music streaming services simply need to form an association so they can publish direct and basically cut out the publishers who do nothing but bring junk music to the scene. So direct from artist to music streaming services and skip those shit head, money sucking, politically corrupting, parasites. There is plenty of money there once the middle men parasites are pushed out of the system.

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  3. The Problem by brit74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think the problem is that the Music Industry is claiming so much of the profit from music-streaming services. I think the problem is that there isn't much money going around when it's all based on ad-revenue. I mean, if you can make $10/month in music sales from people buying music (via CDs, iTunes, etc), or you can make $1/month from people who stream their music (via ads), and then we complain that music companies are taking 60% or 70% of that $1/month, is the real problem the fact that the music industry is taking 60% or 70% from music-streaming services, or is the real problem the fact that ad-supported music results in low revenue?

    I know that "music companies are being stupid and greedy" is implied by the piece, but I'm not sure it's the fault of the music industry that ad-supported music is just a crappy source of revenue.

  4. Bypass the Middle Man by organgtool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about a system that lets the artists themselves opt in (bypassing ASSCAP) for a reasonable set of royalties. The artists would get more money than the record companies give them for their streamed music, the streaming companies would pay less in royalties, and the tyRIAAnosaurus rex can take another step towards its destiny.

  5. Re:Cut Out The Middle Men by jd659 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Music streaming services simply need to form an association so they can publish direct

    This is very true. Recording and editing the music with the decent quality used to be very expensive. The analog consoles used to be hundreds of thousands of dollars producing similar quality what a thousand dollar computer with a decent audio card can do today. The studios nonetheless demand copyright ownership for offering studios (cheap now) and distribution service (also became cheap).

    Similar state existed in photography where the equipment had astronomical cost and companies could offer equipment, hire photographers "for hire" and keep the copyright. Nowadays, is is nearly impossible to see contracts where the photographer does not retain the copyright on his/her images. Still, plenty of services are available that remove all the "negotiation" part when selling and advertising the images. The photographer is free to offer images for sale with multiple brokers and some have agreements where if an images available for sale on one service will be offered for sale on the other too. There's no reason the music industry cannot follow the same model. The musician will be in charge of the recordings.

    What really is killing the development of this market is the fact that one can sell "the ownership" under the current copyright laws. Once the labels buy the "ownership" of the recording they haven't produced, they can also buy the laws that benefit them and no so much help the musicians or the music industry in general. Kill the labels and let the artists to be the deciders of where the music to be played and it will increase the competition among services too -- bringing the new and innovative distribution channels.

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  6. quite the news flash... by RevEngr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was the CEO of a company that sold ringtones and MP3s a la carte for mobile devices. When you added up (1) the licenses paid to record labels, (2) the fees paid to mobile operators for payment processing, and (3) publishing royalties, it was something like 120% of the retail price for the content. So, umm, not a really scalable business model[1].

    We eventually built out an ad-supported streaming model, under the compulsory licensing model for "internet radio" (a la Pandora), and I actually believed there was a viable business there, even without premium (ad-free) subscriptions. But I'm not so sure now. The music industry, which for so long made money by controlling marketing and distribution, is now too accustomed to making money through venture capital. Not directly, of course -- they extract it via a never-ending stream of venture-backed music startups, who either pay licenses in advance that they'll never be able to recoup with sales, or pay with legal settlements when they try to do something innovative that doesn't fit into the existing (untenable) licensing models.

    I do believe that ultimately we will get to more of a free market that escapes the cartel of the legacy music industry, but it's certainly taking longer than I had expected. There are a lot of powerful entrenched interests.

    1. Re:quite the news flash... by RevEngr · · Score: 5, Informative

      There were basically three types of ringtone companies back in the heyday:

      1. Subscription: These were companies who convinced people to sign up for a recurring $9.99/mo charge on their mobile phone bill to receive some number of monthly "credits" for download;
      2. A la carte: Companies who provided the implementation of the carrier "decks" that sold ringtones for $1.99-$2.99 a pop;
      3. User Generated: services that allowed users to upload content that would be made available for download by other people.

      The fundamental problem with the Subscription services was that they could only possibly make money by breakage - that is, if people who signed up for the service failed to download all of the content they were entitled to in a given month. Or, better yet, the subscriber forgot (or never knew in the first place) that they had signed up for the service, and therefore kept paying until Daddy noticed the charge on the phone bill and called the carrier to complain. The royalties they were paying (together with the carrier transaction charges) forced them into this unhealthy operating model that was clearly unsustainable. There were several US companies that reached revenues in excess of $100M without ever turning a profit. Venture capital pumped money into them on the way up, lured by the top-line growth. Crazy.

      The a la carte providers didn't fare much better. There is really no possibility of negotiating realistic licensing with the music labels, because there are only four (three now?) of them, and they all refuse to do any licensing deal that doesn't have a "most favored nation" (MFN) clause. Essentially what this says is that if the licensee does a subsequent deal with another record label, and that subsequent deal has better terms than what was negotiated with the first label, then the first label automatically gets those terms. In practice, this means that the company would do a deal first with the smallest and most hungry label (cough, EMI, cough) at terms that seemed viable - making the company think they had a real business -- but then the deals with Warner, Sony, and UMG would progressively make the economics worse to the point where there was no real way to make money. And because the deals are heavy on upfront payments, and annual guarantees, the labels are making money even when the retailer never really hits escape velocity.

      The user generated sites, which were attempting to cut out the unnecessary middlemen, allowing artists to connect directly with their fans, were mercilessly sued by the labels. Untold millions of dollars were transferred from venture capitalists who had funded these companies to the labels that sued the companies - along with their directors, their investors, their managers - in settlements and coerced licensing deals specifically designed to ensure that the money going to the labels would stay in their own coffers and would not have to be shared with artists.

      The economics of MP3 and streaming sites are not much different. One day I expect it will be taken for granted that a service can operate profitably by providing a useful service that allows artists to sell (or share for free) content with their fans without fear of litigation by major labels. But that's not today.

      Ultimately, I still believe that the copyright and legal systems will come to understand that protecting the rights of artists is different than protecting the legacy music labels. I've been amazed and enthralled over the past few years by the incredible amount of beautiful new music being released - no label required.

    2. Re:quite the news flash... by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thing is, there are people who benefit from the industry. I look at Lady Gaga as an example. She signed a rather lousy contract, but in return she got massive promotion. In the end, she ended up a multi-millionaire, so she is happy.

      You may not like Lady Gaga, but as long as there are people like her willing to 'sell out' in exchange for promotion, the recording industries will not change drastically. Because they will own all the copyrights.

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  7. Well, duh. by mbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Music streaming services, forced to give from 60% to 70% of their revenue to the record industry, will never be profitable in their current state, a new report shows."

    That has been obvious to anyone associated with this business since about 2002.

    I think this is a feature, not a bug, from the point of view of the record labels.