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S. Korea Diverts Network From Huawei Networks
An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from The Verge: "The South Korean government has decided to route sensitive data away from networks operated by Huawei, amid longstanding fears from the U.S. that the Chinese company's infrastructure could be used to spy on communications. As the Wall Street Journal reports, the U.S. had been urging its South Korean allies to route government communications away from Huawei networks, claiming that the infrastructure could be used to spy on communications with American military bases there. As a result, Huawei equipment will not be used at any American military base in South Korea. The Obama administration denies playing a role in the decision, and South Korean officials have not commented. The Journal reports that the White House made a point of keeping the talks private because it didn't want to be seen as meddling in its ally's business affairs."
Thank tho Snowden we now know that Cisco is even worse in that regard. So the only thing one can choose is who will be sucking one's data - US or China. There best way to keep networks safe is to roll one's own equipment (eg. PC-based with OpenBSD or something, sourced from local vendor) but it has its own limitations.
Use Cisco instead... the NSA already has backdoors into those.
If you want to keep your data secure over a network, encrypt it (and trust the other side). That's the only way.
This is silly stuff for the US to be worrying about. We should be generous with our friends in things that matter little, so when it comes to things that do matter, they will have confidence that we are negotiating in good faith. Why would you want to use protectionism to defend Verizon and Qualcomm? Really?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
The US government is using it's infrastructure and networks to spy on everyone so it naturally assumes that China is going this as well.
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation
Korea and China have both huge commercial intrests in the global big business. Thay is why the Chineese are spying on Koreans. Korea cannot say this so they give the excuse of the American defence, which is a smokescreen. China wants to climb the technology ladder and uses any means availabe, moral or not.
Whether they are insecure or not a similar thing was part of a sales tactic that Cisco used in Australia a while ago. It's called bagging the opposition. Of course it takes an extremely unethical company to take it this far, but Cisco is developing a bit of reputation along those lines. It's no longer the company the Ciscos started. It's the company that ripped off the Ciscos and then sacked them from their own company.
After Chinese involvement in an attempted coup a couple of decades back they haven't gotten on very well. Of course nobody else will even talk to N.K. , let alone trade with a serious markup on everything.
The kidnapping etc has certainly been linked to N.K. on multiple occasions - but to China? I've never heard of that one so please provide an example.
I'm not defending China, merely pointing out that N.K. should take the blame for their own actions instead of using a stupid "Chinese puppet" conspiracy theory. I know some Chinese from just over the border who may have relatives in N.K. but they have no way of finding out if they are alive or dead. Their attitude, and it doesn't seem to be uncommon, is the best solution is to wait until the wind is blowing the right way and nuke the place. That's just one example of the strong feelings and how it's a different country.
And yet, somehow, they were.
For anyone closely following China and their state-sponsored intellectual property theft activities, this comes as no surprise. The only thing I would change in the opening paragraph is "...infrastructure could be used to spy on communications... to ...infrastructure is used to spy on communications...
China's IP theft, how it happens, Hauwei's involvement, Chinese Liberation Army battalions devoted to network disruption and IP theft, US three letter agency involvement in trying to help US corporations protect themselves, is all open, public knowledge. Saying things like CISCO is worse is only avoiding the real and serious issues of western business competitiveness and military capabilities by posing a straw-man that, while the argument might feel good, is completely and utterly false. Do some research before claiming "we're no better than they are", please.
http://www.wired.com/wiredente...
> Do some research before claiming "we're no better than they are", please.
You're being laughable. If you're patriot and want to help the USA by lying further, at least be responsible and let someone more competent do the job.
"Intellectual Property"? Stop being stupid. Your corporations overpaid R&D that can be done for a thousand times less money in China or India? And you want to prevent the world from seeing inexpensive alternatives? Well, fsck your corporations!
The USA was since long a country based on Freedom and truth -- not in bs concepts like property of ideas.
Once expressed, ideas cannot be contained, but spread like fire. Get over it. Instead, use legal existing resources like copyright and patents, which are mostly worldwide recognized.
Diverts to where? To networks spied by USA regime. How silly
Vote for Pedro!
He really whips the llamas ass
Assuming you cannot deploy your own silicon and that you need the throughput that requires silicon-based packet forwarding/switching, you will have to use the right vendor for the job.
On anything the US might be interested in, use chinese. On anything the chinese would be intersted in, use US. And remember that all US network equipment is likely to be trojaned by the chinese anyway as most ASICs and FPGAs are made in china or taiwan (and even if the taiwan govenrment is not friends with the chinese, it is trivial for the chinese to subvert taiwan fabs through plants).
(interestingly enough, the captcha for this post was "futile")
According to Snowden, NSA use vulnerabilities in both Huawei, Cisco and other manufacturers gear to spy on traffic but if the vulnerabilities in Cisco, Juniper and others are planted there by NSA they might suspect that other parties have bigger difficulties spying on Cisco gear. Most likely though it is more a question on wanting to favour American industry like when NSA did industrial espionage against Brazilian, German or other countries companies and share data with US companies.
Thank tho Snowden we now know that Cisco is even worse in that regard.
[citation needed]
In what way? I am not aware of any backdoors being reported from the Snowden documents. I've seen Chinese media say that Cisco helped the NSA, but not any reports from Greenwald et al:
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-media-snowden-says-cisco-090020241.html
There are reports of exploits against Cisco equipment by the NSA, but they've also attacked Juniper, Huawei, and many other vendors. So again: [citation needed].
So while I'm not a fan of Cisco gear for other reasons (primarily budget/value proposition), from a security POV there shouldn't be much of an issue AFAICT.
Note that the Belgium government suspects Huawei for spying citizens and ministers. Belgacom CEO being a former Huawei employee...
http://flashcritic.com/chinas-huawei-suspected-in-belgian-telecom/
I am amused.
What if the U.S. is afraid of Huawei kit because it DOESN'T spy on communications?
It would be exceedingly difficult for the NSA to insert a backdoor in a Chinese-made router developed by a Chinese company.
Use American based infrastructure to make it easier for the NSA, CIA, etc., to get your data.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
"most fpgas are made in Taiwan"
Do you want to try again?
LOL
I'll give you a hint. The mid to high end FPGAs that were manufactured in the past 18 months all have ITAR restrictions on them.
You'll take "I'll talk shit for $2000 alex"
You don't think the NSA doesn't have physical access to US network equipment manufacturing or on-site users of that equipment? Stealth NSA employees or bribed ones inserted there would do the job.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
That's what goofball libs like you said about japan. "They're a practical people............they'll NEVER attack the US!!!111!!!1!!"
IDIOT