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Your 60-Hour Work Week Is Not a Badge of Honor

An anonymous reader writes "We've all had to deal with long, tough work weeks, whether it's coming in on the weekend to meet a project deadline, pulling all-nighters to resolve a crisis, or the steady accretion of overtime in a death march. It's fairly common in the tech sector for employees to hold these tough weeks up as points of pride; something good they achieved or survived. But Jeff Archibald writes that this is the wrong way to think of it. 'If you're working 60 hours a week, something has broken down organizationally. You are doing two people's jobs. You aren't telling your boss you're overworked (or maybe he/she doesn't care). You are probably a pinch point, a bottleneck. You are far less productive. You are frantically swimming against the current, just trying to keep your head above water. ... We need to stop being proud of overworking ourselves.'"

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  1. American poor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or you are poor in America, working 3 part-time minimum jobs 60+h a week just to pay for food and housing with nothing left over at end of the week.

  2. Re:Trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I spend 60 hours a week trolling Slashdot. Do you mean there are ways I could be more effective at it?

    Absolutely. Perhaps you should outsource and/or automate your trolling to improve your trolling efficiency. This will allow you to achieve a healthy troll/life balance.

  3. Your Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't want to hear it. Its his fault you are working 60 hour weeks instead of the business hiring another worker. He approved it, he is aware of it, and he could give half a shit as long as you keep working. You get sick? Not his fault. You get burned out, well you should have taken steps to prevent that but still stayed and worked to get things done.

    You will never win. If you are working 60 hour weeks and want to stop doing so, just stop. Take a day and do some interviews, find another job. Cause the second you stop giving 150%, they are going to fire you anyways.

    The corporation has no loyalty to its employees. You can all be replaced. What YOU need to start doing, is to think of the corporation as being replaceable. Shop around, find a better deal, and take it for a couple years, then shop around again, find a better deal, and take it. You owe them nothing, they need you, not the other way around. You can leave all this and buy land and subsistence farm and sell produce to city-dwellers for the rest of your life if you want. The corporation cannot, it dies without workers.

    Never forget, they need you. To work for them. To buy from them. Stop doing both and they die. Its that simple.

    1. Re:Your Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In addition to the above, as overhead per worker goes up, the pressure to not hire a second worker will go up. Until overtime costs more than overhead, the company has a strong incentive to not hire another worker. This is especially true for salaried professionals who get the same pay no matter how long they work each week. A lot more programmers and developers on salaries should be demanding hourly wages, with overtime pay based on best estimates of a companies per-worker, per-hour overhead costs, and should be greater than that cost.

    2. Re:Your Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Whenever my boss demands I work more than 40 hours per week I do so, but I spend 50% of the time just sitting around doing nothing* and taking 1 hour lunches.
      Like I give a fuck. Don't like it? Fire me.
      I work so I can afford to do other stuff. If I don't have time to do that stuff what the fuck is the point of working so hard?

      * Note that here I'm assuming regular demands of working more than 8 hours per day. Not a week long rush to get things ready for release.

  4. When I hear "I work 60 hours a week"... by Old+VMS+Junkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... my BS meter begins to go off the scale. While I've done my fair share of brutal weeks (I'm an IT guy), it's been my experience that 99% of people who claim that they regularly work 60 hrs a week are full of crap. If you work an extra hour a day, and then put in five more over the weekend, you're still only at 50. You need to work five ten hour days and then STILL put in ten more hours over the weekend. Humans just aren't built for that. When people have boasted that in interviews, I've drilled into them and I'll get excuses like, "I was on call, so even though I wasn't actually working, I was still working..." or "Technically I have a home office so when I drive every day, I count my commute..." or "Well, it was 60 hours for the last three weeks before go live, but before that it was 45-50!" Yes, there are legitimate workaholics that do 60 hours a week. Average Joes doing it? Rarely.

  5. Re:GDP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Average American monthly wage is $3769. Average French monthly wage is $3698. Even though they're working about 15 hours less per month.

  6. Re:GDP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More intersting countries to investigate:

    Luxembourg and Denmark; Much greater per capita GDP than the USA / shorter working week.

    Greece and Mexico; Some of the longest working hours. Much less GDP than the USA.

  7. Re:GDP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and the french have a longer and healthier life, as W.H.O.'s data prove. And they are also far slimmer and better looking.

    Working 60 hrs a week is just stupid, stupid, stupid. It causes heart diseases, fast aging, stomach problems, etc...

    People who work so much should be mocked and laughed at, rather than respected for it.

  8. Re:wow really by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    so let me get this straight. If i am in an interview and i explain to them how well i held up under the pressure of ongoing 60 hour work weeks at my current or previous positions, this does nothing for me to get the next job?

    Not if they have any degree of intelligence. The oldest study that I know of by Hans Eysenck in war-time Britain showed that people working 57 hours a week produced less than people working 48 hours a week. That was about people producing weapons, who you would assume would have been very highly motivated. Working over 40 hours a week doesn't achieve anything. Six weeks at 60 hours a week produces the same work as six weeks at 40 hours. Except after working 60 hours for six weeks you are so tired that you can't keep up with the 40 hour worker anymore.

  9. Re:It's a status thing by sjames · · Score: 5, Informative

    Believe it! That's why Walmart and McDonald's HR include people to help you get food stamps. They know they don't pay well enough to actually live. The expectations are food that is legal to buy for human consumption and housing that hasn't been condemned as uninhabitable.

    The car thing is seriously variable. Housing where public transportation is available tends to cost more than housing without it, but then you need a car.

  10. Re:It's a status thing by Tom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately, it's not a USA thing anymore, you've successfully exported it to at least Europe.

    Here in Germany, more than one million employees are receiving a special form of unemployment benefits, because without it they would actually earn less than the unemployment benefits are. That's just insane, and the solution to compensate for the difference with tax money is so psychotic that it is my honest believe each and every one of the politicians who came up with that should be put into a closed mental institution and kept there for life.

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