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Online Database Allows Scientists To Recreate Early Telescopes

sciencehabit writes "When Galileo Galilei shook up the scientific community with evidence of a heliocentric world, he had a little tube fitted with two pieces of glass to thank. But just how this gadget evolved in the nascent days of astronomy is poorly known. That uncertainty has inspired a group of researchers to compile the most extensive database of early refracting telescopes to date. Now, the scientists plan to use modern optics to recreate what Galileo — and the naysaying observers of his time — experienced when they first peered through these tubes at the rings of Saturn, the moons of Jupiter, and the phases of Venus."

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  1. Disappointed by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Informative

    Disappointed that there were no pictures of the type "this is what Galileo saw .. and this is what Newton saw ... and this is with a reasonably priced modern telescope ... and this is from an observatory".

    That would have put things in perspective

    1. Re:Disappointed by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      Why make it so complicated? Why not take the telescope out of the museum, and point it at Jupiter, and directly see what it shows you?

    2. Re:Disappointed by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I suspect that you'd have to punch a curator and run to take some of those pieces outside...

    3. Re:Disappointed by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      I suspect that you'd have to punch a curator and run to take some of those pieces outside...

      And travel to Florence to do it.

    4. Re:Disappointed by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      And travel to Florence to do it.

      Why can't she come to me? Lazy cow.

      No, wait, that was Ermintrude.

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    5. Re:Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ESW_NTIhBM

      Dr. Martin Poliakoff of the Royal Society shows Newton's telescope. One of the best youtube channels, this "Periodic Videos". In fact, all of Brady Haran's channels (Periodic Videos, Sixty Symbols, Deep Sky Videos, Numberphile, etc) are really worth a look.

  2. Buy a Galileo Scope by Platinumrat · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can buy a really cheap, and good quality "Galileo Scope" http://galileoscope.org/. It's a great starter / educational scope and the optics can be swapped out to see what Galileo saw and for more modern lenses.

    1. Re:Buy a Galileo Scope by Bronster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but it's probably about the same quality as what Galileo had, which might be kinda the point...

    2. Re:Buy a Galileo Scope by ledow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Elitest git.

      Sorry, but don't talk rubbish. A £100 (so $200 at best) Celestron reflector will show your kids Jupiter, Saturn, individual craters on Mars, come with tripod, EQ mount and a range of eyepieces. An extra $50 or so and you can get a kit of cheap eyepieces and a barlow in a nice Celestron-branded kit.

      You'll see rings on Saturn quite clearly, you'll see the stripes in the atmosphere of Jupiter. I know, I've done it. And inside London, from my backyard (with streetlights and near major roads and cities, and with houses around, in front of and behind me). Damn, I can't even see the Milky Way or more than the Plough on even the clearest night with the naked eye but a simple 75mm reflector with cheap eyepieces will perform wonders.

      Scale down and even the cheapest scope will get a kid interested if it's done right. Hell, I had a crowd of adults around my telescope when I dug it out at my last dinner party and we only aimed it at the Moon (and people were going back for second, third, fourth goes at it with other eyepieces).

      I hate people who think you have to spend thousands of dollars on ANYTHING in order to enjoy it as an amateur. If anything, people like YOU put off amateurs more than a cheap Galileo-themed telescope that won't quite pick out individual aliens on extra-solar worlds.

    3. Re:Buy a Galileo Scope by ledow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mars should read "Moon"... I edited the sentence in Preview and it got messed up.

  3. Why do we have to use modern? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can build a crude telescope in my garage using the EXACT techniques he used. It's not hard.

    http://galileo.rice.edu/lib/st...

    And then just half ass the optics by only looking through them as you grind. dont use modern collimation techniques and you will get the nasty blurry full of chromatic nasty that he had to deal with.

    The other problem is that pollution and light pollution is 9000% higher than what he had.

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  4. At least early astronomers didn't have to deal ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 2

    ... with light pollution.

  5. Telescopes by ledow · · Score: 2

    I would find this interesting.

    As someone who's just got into telescopes themselves after years of my brother casually using a telescope worth more than my car (he's an astrophysicist, though, so that's his game) I was bought a relatively cheap amateur one.

    I was quite surprised, in modern times, to be able to see Jupiter's clouds and Saturn rings quite clearly within only a few hours of learning how to use the damn thing and picking targets by eye (none of this Go-To crap), in my backyard, in the crowded suburbs of London, with streetlights only a few meters away, on a pseudo-clear night. And I didn't have RA motors or even proper polar alignment, I was literally just chasing the brightest dots around the sky manually to look at them.

    I know astronomy was "easier" for the ancients and for Galileo-era astronomers without such hurdles, but I had always assumed that they pretty much were cancelled out by the poor quality of the optics back then. But I was quite amazed to be able to clearly see, with a £100 scope and the default eyepieces, such detail wobbling in front of me because of the heat of the atmosphere near me.

    And even photographing them was much easier than I was led to believe (though I really need to polar-align and get my brand-new RA motor set up so I can do longer exposures).

    Honestly, I thought it would be so much harder, hearing for years from well-known astronomers like Sir Patrick Moore, etc. how much the cities destroyed the night sky. I'm sure they do. I'm sure that I *should* be able to see the Milky Way unaided. But, damn, a tiny £100 Newtonian with its supplied cheap mount and eyepieces can do wonders.

    I'm not claiming some great feat of astronomy, I'm sure this hasn't really been a shock to anyone who was interested in amateur astronomy before me. But I'm also sure Galileo saw quite clearly a lot of things that were always visible and easy to record, just maybe not always surface detail and rings (which I'm sure he would have thought were there, even if it was just on the edge of his brain supplying that brief glimpse of the whole object through his imperfect lenses and low magnification scope against the shimmering atmosphere and movement of his equipment).

    I have a page on my website (warning: long and boring) where I show my first-ever (and worst) images taken through my scope. Sure, it's a 70mm aperture, but I can't imagine that Galileo was seeing that much worse, but maybe distorted and more "lucky" good shots as it went into the smooth parts of his optics.

    He might have had to spend years with craftsmen and glass-blowing skills, honing his devices, but I'm pretty sure he would have been able to see almost as much as anyone can - even modern city-dwellers - with just a cheap scope.