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Why Is Dropbox Back On the Chinese Market?
Nerval's Lobster writes "Dropbox has renewed access to the Chinese market for the first time in four years. But why? The Chinese government first blocked access to Dropbox in 2010, most likely to prevent people within China from sharing data via the cloud. Now Dropbox is back online in China, albeit at slower speeds. Despite repeated queries from Slashdot, however, Dropbox has declined to comment on why China may have dropped the in-country restrictions to its services. "We still have nothing to share," the company responded after the third email. Dropbox isn't the only foreign cloud service available on the Chinese market (although Google Drive remains blocked): in late 2013, Amazon announced it would open an Amazon Web Services (AWS) region in the country; at the time, the Amazon Web Services Blog alluded to the "legal and regulatory requirements" that this new AWS region will obey. So questions remain: Did Dropbox know it would regain entry to the Chinese market? If so, did it need to agree to certain conditions before the Chinese government would "flip the switch," as it were?"
They already provide the same access to US intelligence agencies (who'll forward any relevant data to sufficiently large, ostensibly US but in practice international corporate interests). Why is it news that Dropbox does the same for Chinese wrt. Chinese customers?
It might be news if they provided similar access to Chinese interests as they do to US interests.
Drop box has survived public humiliation and questions about its security and yet... Get this.. It still survives to this day.. Everything slips off drop box like it is Teflon coated.
Dropbox is waiting for a real tech site to contact them.
Of course dbox had to agree to certain conditions to gain access to the Chinese market. That's how it works, you want to do business within a country, you abide by their rules or you go packing, it's just more "questionable" by Western standards when it comes to China, in that being Eastern in nature and not entirely capitalist, its way of doing things is different than what is the Western norm -- that and China has the economic cloud (on pace to surpass the US and EU economically within the next 5 years if current trends hold up, growing at over a trillion USD per year) to impose its way of doing things.
There's probably some censorship involved as well, which frankly is fine and dandy, the West shuts out any mention of Tibetan terror attacks or ethnic violence against the Han and Hoi people of Lhasa, why should China not shut out Western propaganda about happy, shiny, peaceful Tibetans that don't really exist? Same for the Uighur-related censorship, except you don't hear much about them non-Chinese media because the West is riding the anti-Muslim wave.
Slashdot Must be confusing it self with real journalism.
Not just for Sochi to give the Olympic Committee but shockingly, Chinese officials also take bribes.
Shock ..... ing
I don't know why Dropbox is back in China but I know that BETA sucks. It's slow, VERY slow.
I'm in Guangzhou right now using Guangzhou Telecom (a region "branch" of China Telecom) with OpenNIC DNS and I can't access dropbox.com (CONNECTION_RESET, which is a typical GFW sign).
Look, we all know the answer to this.
For Dropbox to get access to China, they have to allow the Chinese National Security Commission unfettered access to their resident's Dropbox accounts.
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So it runs slower, and its open. This sounds like a honeypot server. Is there end-to-end encryption or is this an invitation built to enhance informed oppression?
they gave the chinese gov full access to their (chinese) user identities and file access. i would not be surprised if their china gov approved system is completely contained within china.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
FTFA: "We still have nothing to share," the company responded after the third email. Isn't dropbox a website for sharing stuff? Seems strange.
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The answer is obvious and pretty simple, both Dropbox and Amazon likely give the Chinese government complete access to everything that passes through those servers in China. That's the only way the Chinese government would allow them entry.
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc
Near the end of January I noticed that I didn't have to connect to my VPN for my home computer Dropbox to sync. But it's on and off. When it's on, the speed isn't throttled; I get the same slow speed I get to any US server (although my 50 Mb/s connection to APA is generally better than anything I get in the USA).
At work, of course, we have a privileged connection to the outside world, because we're one of the largest non-Chinese companies in the world, and we give a lot of money to China.
"or is this an invitation built to enhance informed oppression?" - The FBI are pretty good at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Perhaps that's where the Chinese get some of their ideas... or how about the DEA, CIA, NSA, etc.?
It's just one empire running propaganda campaigns to criticise another. Just make effective surveillance circumvention tools freely available to everyone. Then we'll have to address the hysterical jumping around and shouting of the security agencies about terrorism, child pornography, organised crime, etc. even though we don't see any evidence of blanket surveillance putting any of those people in jail - the ones that get caught get caught through targeted criminal investigations within the law.
seriously im out, this is fucking horrible :(
Lots and lots of money. The DropBox butt holes aren't in china for the wonders of democracy.
DropBox simply provides the chinese dictatorship more control, in exchange for money.
(Meanwhile in other news: Fuck beta!)
This question is very easy to answer if you know why dropbox was blocked in the first place.
Get this:
* I was living in China, happily using Dropbox.
* Suddenly Dropbox tells me it can't connect.
* Did some digging with tcpdump, traceroute, etc. You know. Nerd stuff.
* Turns out that our of Drop boxes entire IP range, only 1 IP was blocked.
* This IP happened to be the login or authentication server that the client occasionally connects to.
* As it happens, the SAME IP was used for Dropbox website.
* It seemed likely to me that the website was the target of the block, not the login server for the client.
* So I check the Dropbox forum on its website (using VPN) and what do I see there: SONG TEXTS OF TIBETAN NATIONALISTS
Yes, so Dropbox was blocked because some nitwit decided it was a good place to post some pro-tibet/anti-china texts. How do you get unblocked in China? Remove the offending text and change your IP address (or wait a really long time.)
I wouldn't return your request for an interview/ more details either.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Dreaming? A former NSA and CIA director, Michael Hayden, came as close to admitting it as one can, without becoming legally liable -- he said he would do it himself: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...
What proof do you have that NSA etc. do not share important details with their corporate partners? Your belief that it is illegal and immoral?
Once you admit to yourself that these agencies first and foremost act for their own benefit and survival, for their highest officers' personal careers second, and only third for their stated purpose, you start to realize how the world turns. It's not evil, it's just how humans work.
Welcome to reality, friend.
Dropbox just changed its Terms of Service. Related?