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How Mobile Apps Are Reinventing the Worst of the Software Industry

Posted by Soulskill on from the i-don't-want-to-rate-your-app-and-i-don't-want-to-tweet-about-it dept.

An anonymous reader writes "Jeff Atwood, co-founder of Stack Overflow, says the mobile app ecosystem is getting out of hand. 'Your platform now has a million apps? Amazing! Wonderful! What they don't tell you is that 99% of them are awful junk that nobody would ever want.' Atwood says most companies trying to figure out how to get users to install their app should instead be figuring out just why they need a mobile app in the first place. Fragmentation is another issue, as mobile devices continue to speciate and proliferate. 'Unless you're careful to build equivalent apps in all those places, it's like having multiple parallel Internets. "No, sorry, it's not available on that Internet, only the iOS phone Internet." Or even worse, only on the United States iOS phone Internet.' Monetization has turned into a race to the bottom, and it's led to worries about just what an app will do with the permissions it's asking for. Atwood concludes, 'The tablet and phone app ecosystem is slowly, painstakingly reinventing everything I hated about the computer software industry before the web blew it all up.'"

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  1. But this time it's different. by plopez · · Score: 5, Funny

    A whole new paradigm. You just don't get it! There's no down side etc. etc.

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    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
    1. Re:But this time it's different. by locotx · · Score: 5, Funny

      The sarcasm is strong with this one....

  2. App permissions by sinij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't need to guess what app is going to do with these permissions, you just assume it will abuse it, because it has no reason not to. What missing is ability to push back against unreasonable permission requests without having to root your device. Both Apple and Google dropped the ball on this.

    1. Re:App permissions by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How did Apple drop the ball, exactly?

      I've had apps ask me permission for my GPS, microphone and photos all individually. I've rejected allowing all those things at various times for various reasons with no problems. I've gone back and given permission later, or denied permission when I didn't want that functionality any more. Every app that requires location services asks me individually at the first moment it tries to use them if it's okay. If there's a flaw with the Apple system, I suppose you could say that it's that you get the same questions over and over again, or that apps that absolutely require certain permissions (photo editing apps need access to your photos, duh) can't get them automatically. (But honestly, I don't mind answering that question.)

      I test-drove a Nexus 4 for a week, and it really grated on my nerves that I had to give permissions at time of download, couldn't revoke any of them, and had to take it on faith that the app would play nice. No. Ask me for each individual thing, ask me each time.

  3. How did Apple(iOS) drop the ball? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    What missing is ability to push back against unreasonable permission requests without having to root your device.

    Apple did a great job with iOS in that regard - not at launch, but at this point it's pretty good. You are asked AT THE TIME THE APP TRIES TO ACCESS a resource like your photo library, contacts, location etc. if you want to allow it.

    If you change you mind later, you just go into privacy settings and control access to any of those items to shut down access by apps you might suspect are misusing things (or you know they are, as can be the case with push notifications)

    I agree with your point, but Apple has done a good job so far in helping users push back to whatever degree they desire.

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  4. We definitely lost something by thecombatwombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To paraphrase something a friend once said to me: "There was a time between 'AOL keyword [thing I'm interested in]' and "Search the App Store for [thing I'm interested in]' when the internet was a pretty cool place.

  5. Condition people to just click OK by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ask me for each individual thing, ask me each time.

    I thought such "mother may I" behavior was exactly what Apple's Mac commercials made fun of. (Cancel or allow?) Condition people to just click OK, and they'll OK anything, no matter when or on what platform.

  6. What a bunch of baloney by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The smartphone is inferior to the PC in almost every way:

    Really? It fits in my pocket, lasts longer on battery than my laptop, it weighs (far) less, it is a phone, I can take pictures with it, it doesn't require a mouse or keyboard to be useful, I can use it to navigate places where I can't take a PC, I can take it places I would never take a PC, I don't have to worry (much) about malware, it wakes up instantly, I can run with it and listen to music while running, it has sensors like accelerometers that aren't very useful on a PC and certainly never are standard. "Inferior in every way"? Pul-leeeze.

    BTW most of your points about why it is "worse" are either complete nonsense or only make sense if you foolishly think that a smartphone should be a PC. If you want to use a PC, go right ahead. No one is standing in your way.

    (oh and if you're thinking of making some snarky "drink the cool-aid" remark, just go ahead and stuff it)