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Horseshoe Crabs Are Bled Alive To Create an Unparalleled Biomedical Technology

Lasrick writes "Alexis Madrigal at the Atlantic: 'The marvelous thing about horseshoe crab blood, though, isn't the color. It's a chemical found only in the amoebocytes of its blood cells that can detect mere traces of bacterial presence and trap them in inescapable clots.' Madrigal continues, 'To take advantage of this biological idiosyncrasy, pharmaceutical companies burst the cells that contain the chemical, called coagulogen. Then, they can use the coagulogen to detect contamination in any solution that might come into contact with blood. If there are dangerous bacterial endotoxins in the liquid—even at a concentration of one part per trillion—the horseshoe crab blood extract will go to work, turning the solution into what scientist Fred Bang, who co-discovered the substance, called a "gel." ... I don't know about you, but the idea that every single person in America who has ever had an injection has been protected because we harvest the blood of a forgettable sea creature with a hidden chemical superpower makes me feel a little bit crazy. This scenario is not even sci-fi, it's postmodern technology.'"

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  1. Bled Alive? by just_another_sean · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does PITA know about this? /ducks and covers

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    1. Re:Bled Alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does PITA know about this? /ducks and covers

      No but HUMMUS Does

    2. Re:Bled Alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That was my first thought actually. Are they kept alive and 'donate' a little at a time, or are they bled dry and then just tossed on the barbie? The latter seems a bit erm, wasteful and shortsighted to say the least.

      Also, as any biologist (or intelligent human) is aware, there is NO SUCH THING as a 'forgettable' creature. While the concept is interesting (if a bit discomforting), the summary reads like the ravings of sociopath.

    3. Re:Bled Alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, they take 30% of the crab's blood and do a distant release to avoid recapture. Research went into checking if the bleeders have reduced respawning. There's also research into a synthesizing the bacteria flagger.

      It sounds savage and I'm not suggesting they're kind to the crabs, but it sounds like they're not being totally irresponsible and causing another dodo.

    4. Re:Bled Alive? by srmalloy · · Score: 2

      Marking their shell with the date of their harvest doesn't do you any good if you don't know how long it will be until the next time they moult; anything marking or attached to their shell will stay with the shell at moult, so if you harvest a crab, bleed it, mark the shell, and it moults a month later, you might pick up the same crab before it has a chance to recover.

    5. Re:Bled Alive? by hey! · · Score: 3, Funny

      That makes me felafel.

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    6. Re:Bled Alive? by gnick · · Score: 2

      People for the Inhumane Treatment of Animals?

      That sounds like a great idea! Try to adopt out cute fuzzy puppies who are well-fed and well-cared for, maybe and maybe not. But if you start juggling the little buggers - Just watch how fast people run up to snatch them out of your hands!

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    7. Re:Bled Alive? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      Yeah, saying they're "bled alive" is a lot like saying you are "bled alive" every time you donate blood. A bit misleading.

    8. Re:Bled Alive? by phaedrus5001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I actually work for a company that does this. The crab will only bleed a certain amount of blood (usually ~30%), then stop. We also don't bleed them if they're wounded or lethargic. I will agree, though, that I find the claim of a 'forgettable' creature dubious. Of course, this practice is the alternative of using rabbits to to check for bacterial endotoxins, so take your pick.

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    9. Re:Bled Alive? by blackicye · · Score: 2

      I'm surprised that they even release these crabs instead of just bleeding them dry.

      Big pharma is really not a shining beacon of ethics and compassion.

  2. Postmodern technology? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why is it postmodern technology? Because it deconstructs the cells? ;-)

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    1. Re:Postmodern technology? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 2

      Because it isn't bad technology, it simply made bad choices.

  3. Rabbits were used first by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before this discovery, they used to inject rabbits with the substance being tested, and measured if the rabbits got a fever. It was obviously not a great way to do things. Wasn't very quantifiable or sensitive. Source.

    Another bit of trivia: one of the other major commercial uses of horseshoe crabs is cutting them up for bait. Works well for that, but you obviously use up the crabs quickly. So we can inconvenience them for a life-saving medical wonder, or we can kill them for a few pounds of fish to eat. Naturally, using them as bait has not been outlawed.

    One last bit of trivia: this isn't really news. I mean, I obviously find it cool, but seriously, 1960 was the discovery. Beta isn't bad enough, now they're altering the content too?

    1. Re:Rabbits were used first by Peristaltic · · Score: 4, Informative

      One last bit of trivia: this isn't really news. I mean, I obviously find it cool, but seriously, 1960 was the discovery. Beta isn't bad enough, now they're altering the content too?

      I, for one, cannot wait until the story headlined: "Justin Beiber's Totally RAD new computer!" hits the front page.

      Maybe a new poll: "What color is your iPad?"

    2. Re:Rabbits were used first by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Along the same lines, I imagine kids today have no idea what The Rabbit Done Died means.

      I recall watching MASH* as a kid and still knowing the reference. I imagine it's all but forgotten today.

      [Wikipedia tells me S6, Ep19...]

  4. Biodiversity and environmentalism by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's one of the big arguments for environmentalism and bio diversity. When push comes to shove you sometimes hear "so what if a few species go extinct? They weren't doing all that well before $BUSINESSACTIVITY, why should we try saving them? Why do I care about this species?". And the answer is that the creature represents a massive chain of thousands to millions of generations of genetic experimentation in real-world real-time environments. We're just starting to open Pandora's box of genetics and culling the biodiversity of the planet could be throwing away truly helpful and useful tools we could use in the future.

    Plus genocide is just sort of a dick move.

    1. Re:Biodiversity and environmentalism by SlippyToad · · Score: 2

      ". If a species goes extinct because of us then it wasnt fit to live"

      By who?

      Maybe it was fit to cure cancer, and we weren't fit to know that because we're glib dumbasses and wasted them all before we bothered finding out.

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    2. Re:Biodiversity and environmentalism by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      I'm more or less with you except for a few nuances and that mental turd you threw in there at the end.

      When a species "moves out", is that a euphemism for genocide? Species can literally physically move out of an area for a lot of reasons. Or a species can have their home environment removed. Or their food source could dry up. Sometimes that includes moving into another area, but depending on the scale, it usually just means they all die.

      A species that is a specialist (as opposed to a generalist) usually can't have their "specialization pocket" be filled by someone else. That's the entire point of being a specialist. You out-compete the shit out of anyone that isn't dedicated to whatever niche thing you call your own.

      This was explained to me by a guy at a nature park the other month: During periods of upheval, chaotic change, turbulence, whatnot, generalists are favored. They can better adapt to the change. That's what I was taught in school. But he then went on to point out that during static periods of stability, specialists are favored. They out-compete with others for a desired resource. And it's these species that develop some of the really interesting weird shit. Turns out if you spend a few million generations striving for a specific goal, sometimes they come up with creative solutions. Racoons and cockroaches might do a fantastic job of eating whatever they can get a hold of, but they don't have awesome super-vision like mantis shrimp or, you know, flight. (although, racoons do have neat cold-resistant-yet-sensative fingers)

      You should study the reality behind how ecosystems adapt and reform equilibriums.

      Uh. ok. Will do.

      Anyway, my point here is that while certain species may take advantage of another's demise and "move in", it still means we lose a species that may have useful genetic information. And the sort of creatures that have weird freaky abilities are the exact sort that die off during periods of upheaval.

      Fear mongering about runaway ecosystems is a sign of weak minded foolishness.

      Wut?

      What runaway ecosystems? Who mentioned that? Where are these strict environmentalists you're talking about? Are these crabs eating everything or something?

    3. Re:Biodiversity and environmentalism by riverat1 · · Score: 2

      The best way to keep a species around is to eat it.

      Tell that to the dodo.

  5. Re:Strong arguement for the preservation of specie by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

    Horseshoe crabs are hardly a forgotten species when they breed on beaches outside your back door...

    Maybe this guy also forgot about the baby fur seals until somebody showed him a picture.

  6. Re:"Forgettable sea creature" by NIK282000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is nothing forgettable about horseshoe crabs. They are older than dinosaurs, the oldest fossils of horseshoe crabs are 450M years old!

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  7. Horse Shoe crabs have been fish bait for years by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Informative

    Horse Shoe crabs area already a depleted resource as they have been used as cheap bait for fishermen for years. The impact being subsequent affects to migratory birds who feast on there eggs. I don't think the pharmacological community have a choice but to treat these crustaceans with the respect due

    http://www.endangeredspeciesin...

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature...

  8. Re:Aren't these an endangered species? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to Wikipedia, they are not an endangered species though there are reports of declining populations. As to breeding them in captivity:

    Raising horseshoe crabs in captivity has proven to be difficult. Some evidence indicates mating only takes place in the presence of the sand or mud in which the horseshoe crab's eggs were hatched. Neither what is in the sand that the crab can sense nor how they sense it is known with certainty.

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  9. Sensationalist Headline much? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I go to donate blood, am I in a room of people being "Bled Alive"? Technically yes but there's a good reason that term is not used to draw people to donate blood, and is also rather a bit much in this case too.

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  10. Causing a migrating bird crash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Horseshoe crabs are now grossly over fished; some for medical and some for eel bait. The rarer they get, the higher the price and the more fishermen want them, thus resulting is a crash.

    The crash destroyed the food supply of a rare shorebird called the Red Knot that depends on horseshoe crab eggs in the Spring during their migration. So they arrive exhausted and hungry in the DelMar area, but there is now no food. So the population of Red Knots has crashed.

  11. Re:Aren't we lucky? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

    Don't work for a major corporation hey?

  12. Re:Aren't these an endangered species? by kumanopuusan · · Score: 3, Funny

    They're not endangered and they don't have throats. Also, before you ask, they're not crabs and they're not horseshoes.

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  13. Just silly. by meglon · · Score: 2

    "Alexis Madrigal at the Atlantic: 'The marvelous thing about horseshoe crab blood, though, isn't the color."

    I'd suggest color be damned, the marvelous thing about them is that their blood isn't iron based, but copper based; 1 - a clear proof of convergent evolution; 2 - just really damn neat; and, 3 - proof that Spock, having deep green blood, must not be from a species that uses copper as a blood base (a fantastic way to make diehard trekkies squirm).

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  14. News? by RedShoeRider · · Score: 3, Informative
    As someone said, it's not exactly new. LAL testing has been boilerplate standard for better than 20 years now.

    From a lab tech's point of view, LAL testing is brilliant. Mix 10mL of some sample that's supposedly "clean" into a premade LAL test kit. Snap the lid shut. Shake. Incubate for a day. If it changes color, it's positive for endotoxins. If it stays clear, it's negative. Simple as that. And being that the sensitivity is picograms/mL, it's great. Knowing the backstory is neat, too, from the tech's view. Which I am.

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    1. Re:News? by ThatAblaze · · Score: 2

      That's great. Awesome. Knowing your profession is neat too, from a completely random stranger's point of view. Which I am.

  15. WTF? "forgettable sea creature"? by Morpeth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously? Such an enlightened attitude.

    Actually one of the strongest memories I have as a young child was coming across a horseshoe crab at a beach, it was in shallow water -- and it both scared the sh*t out of me, and had me intensely fascinated for a good long while. When an adult picked it up so I could see its underside and all those moving legs, I was absolutely, positively, enthralled. Nothing forgettable about it...

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  16. Re: Horse Shoe crabs have been fish bait for years by Wookact · · Score: 2

    Well I am sorry but the wikipedia article for the horshoe crab found off the Atlantic and gulf coasts state that they are not presently endangered.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

  17. Re: Horse Shoe crabs have been fish bait for years by Wookact · · Score: 2
    Yet you ignored the preceding sentences to pick that tid bit out. You also fail to understand that they are NOT KILLING THEM. They take some blood and then release them far from where they are capturing them to harvest the blood. THe very WIki article I linked to describes this in detail if you so choose.

    LAL is obtained from the animals' blood. Horseshoe crabs are returned to the ocean after bleeding, although some 3% die during the process. Studies show the blood volume returns to normal in about a week, though blood cell count can take two to three months to fully rebound.[24]

    So three percent of them die, Frankly I am not that worried about that.

  18. New administration method: by boddhisatva · · Score: 2

    They place them on your face where they attach themselves but eventually fall off. Your blood is highly acidic then but it kills all bacteria and viruses.