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'Data Science' Is Dead

Nerval's Lobster writes "If you're going to make up a cool-sounding job title for yourself, 'Data Scientist' seems to fit the bill. When you put 'Data Scientist' on your resume, recruiters perk up, don't they? Go to the Strata conference and look on the jobs board — every company wants to hire Data Scientists. Time to jump aboard that bandwagon, right? Wrong, argues Miko Matsumura in a new column. 'Not only is Data Science not a science, it's not even a good job prospect,' he writes. 'Companies continue to burn millions of dollars to collect and gamely pick through the data under respective roofs. What's the time-to-value of the average "Big Data" project? How about "Never?"' After the 'Big Data' buzz cools a bit, he argues, it will be clear to everyone that 'Data Science' is dead and the job function of 'Data Scientist' will have jumped the shark."

139 comments

  1. data scientist by schneidafunk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Call yourself a statistician or database engineer and I promise there are still jobs around. And contrary to the summary, they are highly valuable jobs.

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    1. Re:data scientist by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      indeed, and who cares if someday this alleged "fad" goes away, "get it while the gettings good. and then get out!"

    2. Re:data scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As the author of the article, I'm happy to encourage people to call themselves statisticians, database engineers, etc. These roles are definitely in demand and will never go away when the bubble for "data scientists" pop.

      I'm just concerned about the recent spate of large companies trying to hire data scientists to "save" their expensive big data projects that arent producing actionable insight. Those jobs are a dead end.

    3. Re:data scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ought to have a PHd to represent yourself as a scientist of any sort, unless your an accomplished amateur. Almost like the time I interviewed somebody who wanted to be hired on as a 'distinguished engineer' while only very recently acquiring a MSEE after 6 years at UCSD. Suppressing my laughter I discussed it with him and discovered what he really meant was a 'principle engineer'. This was a 3 letter fortune 500 company he was applying to.

    4. Re:data scientist by mikojava · · Score: 1

      lol isnt it "Principal Engineer"? But point taken, it seems like "Scientist" is being bandied about quite a bit by just about anyone.

    5. Re:data scientist by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the job of doing serious data analysis is not new, 'data science' is really only a temporarily independent field while we try and sort out some of the technical problems that arise from working with large datasets. Once solutions for large datasets become mainstream, reliable and agreed upon (and inexpensively vendor bought) we'll go back to just having scientists who are specialized in whatever area.

      And that's perfectly alright.

    6. Re:data scientist by mikael · · Score: 2

      To me, a research scientist used to be the person that did experiments, made notes, maintained a log book, drew conclusions, and published papers.

      Now, when I see the job adverts, the research scientist is now the one writing research grant applications, visiting sponsors, making presentations at world conferences, leading a team, drawing up budget requests.

      Data scientist seems to a combination of AI programmer and database programmer.

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    7. Re:data scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The classical definition of scientist is a trained individual who produces "new" knowledge. As modern academics look at scientists today, its someone with a command of knowledge in the field he specializes in, knows how to do background research, so they can properly credit previous peoples' work (and not duplicate it), and understands the standards and operating conventions of research and publishing.

      That's why scientists should have attained a PhD before being referred to as a scientist; for the same reason you refer to a medical doctor as doctor, and don't refer to a nurse practitioner as a doctor. Even a talented amateur is not going to know all the details of publishing standards, or peer review.

    8. Re:data scientist by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Scientist is an occupation, not a title ... a data scientist is mostly just misnamed, regardless of PhD.

    9. Re:data scientist by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "To me, a research scientist used to be the person that did experiments, made notes, maintained a log book, drew conclusions, and published papers."
      Which is what a data scientist does, by the way.

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    10. Re:data scientist by bbsalem · · Score: 2

      Only if you have testable hypothesis. The "Science" part is dubious for exactly the same reason the "Science" in economics is dubious. The "Science" in Computer Science is a little more substancial, but it is closer to mathematics than any emperical science.

    11. Re:data scientist by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Call yourself a statistician or database engineer and I promise there are still jobs around. And contrary to the summary, they are highly valuable jobs.

      Is a data scientist really a pseudonym for SEO analyst? (SEO = Search Every Option or Search Engine Organization or that other one, ending in Optimisation)

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  2. Maybe by stephencrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But this general domain in the realm of contemporary giant data sets is the basic science research of our times. To say that 'data scientist' roles are dead in the near future based on a ROI analysis is to suggest that all these huge data sets aren't likely to pay off for a corp in the near future. And that doesn't sound right at all.

    1. Re:Maybe by gnick · · Score: 1

      I hold a Master's in EE specializing in Information Theory. That seems to sound like a "data scientist", but I've never met anyone that presented themselves as one.

      Maybe I should modify my resume to include my years of experience as a "nocturnal ergonomics specialist" or "cinematic purveyor".

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    2. Re:Maybe by swillden · · Score: 2

      To say that 'data scientist' roles are dead in the near future based on a ROI analysis is to suggest that all these huge data sets aren't likely to pay off for a corp in the near future. And that doesn't sound right at all.

      I think what's really going on here is that lots of organizations have jumped on the Big Data bandwagon expecting that it will be easy, and hired lots of people who don't really know what they're doing (because they also saw an opportunity). There's lots of value in large corpuses of unstructured data, but teasing it out requires more than just a desire and some computing resources. As the field matures and builds up a well-known set of techniques which can be packaged up and on which people can easily be trained, it will be very effective. But right now, it really is research, and you really do need data scientists, not hacks who took a couple of classes on machine learning and a bit of statistics. And if there are ten thousand job openings for first (or even second) rate thinkers in a new field... well, all but a couple of dozen of them are going to get filled with hacks

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    3. Re:Maybe by mikojava · · Score: 1

      I'm not against big data sets.

      I've just noted that a lot of big data projects hyped by vendors are misguided, and that there will be very large and visible failures coming up. this is just a bubble and the "data science" guys will be in trouble.

      The long term prognosis for large scale data analysis is good, and machine learning will probably yield good results. Also the pendulum will swing back to structured data.

    4. Re:Maybe by mikojava · · Score: 1

      Lot's of people are up in arms here thinking im against data, queries or even information in general. LOL

      I think guys like you are going to be in serious demand, and yes data is piling up hugely. The winning organizations will have serious, smart and well trained people who know how to manage it.

      And yes, I think "nocturnal ergonomics specialist" is the career of the future =)

    5. Re:Maybe by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      But what may be closer to the mark is that many companies go into this expecting a quick return and discover that it takes more effort than that, and so they move on to some other fad of business. It is the short leash they are on held by investors who are clamoring for instant ROI that drives this, not a real scientific curiosity. So do you think that counting clicks or doing RegEx matches in blog posts translates to pay back? Or is it just the same old confidence game that has always existed, you find a fool to part with his money.

  3. Strong claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's a very strong claim, I'll need to consult my Data Scientist to see if it actually fits the data.

    1. Re:Strong claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the time-to-value of the average "Big Data" project? How about "Never?"

      I dunno, I think the empirical data exists for this claim .. its the same function as the time-to-value on that "Social Media" project .. which was the same function as the time-to-value on that "Second Life" project .. which was the same function .. etc .. I.e Fad-to-value return period is always a slightly larger (and hence unobservable) value than the Fad-to-Fad+1 period.

  4. How appropriate by Micklat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No data has been cited during the creation of that blog post.

    Opinion is fine, but when the observations are so weeping, just a little bit of substantiation is nice to have.

    1. Re:How appropriate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      weeping or sweeping?

    2. Re:How appropriate by mikojava · · Score: 1

      LOL I really like "weeping" it's pretty awesome in this context.

  5. FUD by aBaldrich · · Score: 5, Funny

    How to prevent more people from flocking into your field:

    1) Write a Slashdot article
    2) ???
    3) Profit!

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    1. Re:FUD by aBaldrich · · Score: 5, Informative
      According to this guy, Mathematics is not a science because you don't conduct experiments. The key error is this:

      Science creates knowledge via controlled experiments

      Which is false. Science checks hypotheses and tries to prove them, or makes repeated experiments that show the failure to disprove them.

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    2. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well mathematics isn't a science.

      Mathematics is more of a "technology".

    3. Re:FUD by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Science creates knowledge via controlled experiments

      I think astronomers will be very surprised to learn that they aren't scientists.

    4. Re:FUD by TheSouthernDandy · · Score: 1

      Trying to prove a hypothesis is fraught with danger--witness the use of complexity as a "proof" of intelligent design. Failure to disprove is about the best that science can do while maintaining its objectivity. That's not to say that working scientists don't get attached to their ideas and try to "prove" them, but they're not supposed to. If the idea is sound, you can hammer on it all you want, it'll stay standing.

    5. Re:FUD by tomhath · · Score: 3, Funny

      According to this guy, Mathematics is not a science because you don't conduct experiments.

      He's obviously wrong. Try this experiment - it proves addition:

      # python

      # print 1+1

      # 2

    6. Re:FUD by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Astronomers due controlled experiments
      Just so you know.

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    7. Re:FUD by Observer2001 · · Score: 1

      According to this guy, Mathematics is not a science because you don't conduct experiments. The key error is this:

      Science creates knowledge via controlled experiments

      Which is false. Science checks hypotheses and tries to prove them, or makes repeated experiments that show the failure to disprove them.

      It's not just in mathematics that this is false. Controlled experiments are one of doing science. By the definition of the author of the original article, combing through existing genomic data to identify SNPs possibly associated with disease isn't science. By his definition, identifying comets or asteroids or planetoids by examining collections of astronomical images taken by others isn't science. By his definition, the work of theoretical physicists who do not perform experiments isn't science. By his definition, identification of new anatomical structures by anatomists performing dissections isn't science. When the author gets it so wrong in his opening sentence, I am reluctant to take the remainder of what he says very seriously.

    8. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mathematics is NOT a science. It's mathematics.

      Logic is not a science either, it's logic.

      Just because you do proofs to check out theories doesn't make it a science.

      Science = the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

      Emphasis on physical and natural world. Numbers are not the physical and natural world - although they can be used to describe them. In short, mathematics is mathematics and provides tools that scientists can use in their sciencey stuff.

  6. Not-scientist about science by sega_sai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The author of this piece clearly have never done actual science, as confirmed by his resume, and his opinions on what science is and that somehow some observational sciences are "soft" are very questionable at best.

    1. Re:Not-scientist about science by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I especially liked the bit where he described the following as "buzzworld-filled", then launched into the unsupported assertion that people doing this aren't doing science:

      develop and investigate hypotheses, structure experiments, and build mathematical models

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  7. Big Data is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was just a myth to sell you storage clusters.

    1. Re:Big Data is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Big Data is like teenage sex: Everyone talks about it, nobody really knows how to do it, everyone thinks everyone else is doing it, so everyone claims they are doing it too." from http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Big-Data-is-like-teenage-1814785.S.5796554060756692996

      While I won't argue if 'Data Scientist' is or is not a bullshit title, the fact remains that a lot of people just don't understand what they (or someone else) mean when they say things like 'Big Data' or, worse, 'put it in the cloud'. I think the IT world has gotten saturated with too many buzzwords and people don't want to acknowledge or make evident their lack of knowledge on a particular subject or technology that they just roll with it.

      In private conversations I'm constantly calling out a coworker of mine when he throws out crap like "we'll make it go viral", "it's like a social network for the internet of things", "it's all in the cloud", "it's like a SaaS on top of a PaaS...so we need and IaaS" and so on. He's actually a smart guy, but has trouble putting his thoughts into words, and when surrounded by other people they nod as if they understood what he's saying... it just propagates the problem.

  8. Where's the argument? by myNameIsNotImportant · · Score: 2

    shouldn't there be a link to an article or a more in-depth argument presented than just "b/c i think so"? Perhaps, say, explain who the hell Miko Matsumura is, or provide greater context?

    I get it though, nobody reads the articles on slashdot... :/

    1. Re:Where's the argument? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shouldn't there be a link to an article or a more in-depth argument presented than just "b/c i think so"? Perhaps, say, explain who the hell Miko Matsumura is, or provide greater context?

      What they provided was enough to get you to log in, read at least the summary, post comment(s), and generally drive up the page view count that advertisers care about.

      Why would Dice Holdings work any harder when you are giving them what they wanted? Think about it.

    2. Re:Where's the argument? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the blog post, he's a VP of a "data grid company" and a "20-year veteran of Silicon Valley". His in-depth argument is "get off my lawn".

  9. 100% disagree by netsavior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my career I have worked for boring banks and boring monolithic enterprise software giants.

    If there is one thing I know for certain it is that big enterprise will ALWAYS have a huge appetite for quantification of data. It almost doesn't matter if it actually does anything for you, executives at giant corporations have to DO SOMETHING have to REVIEW SOMETHING. Large scale data aggregation and reporting (one of the many things that go by "big data") might not have sciency uses, but any time a V level can provide a C level with "something" that says "We are doing stuff" there will be a huge market for it.

    Basically what I am saying is, even if "Big Data" is nothing but a placebo, like say "HR Training", "Wellness programs", "performance reviews" or "teambuilding" it is a permanent fixture in the big, boring, high paying, stable job providing corporate world.

    1. Re:100% disagree by sahuxley · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, but I think there's merit even in those quantifications that turn out useless. This sort of science, at least the way you describe it being done, is really shooting in the dark. Sometimes you find an interesting and meaningful correlation or analysis, but more often than not you're juggling and sorting numbers to no useful end. People will always pay to keep taking shots.

    2. Re:100% disagree by Anrego · · Score: 2

      100% agree (with your post).

      The argument made in article is ridiculous, but even if we grant it and companies suddenly lose interest in their data, the skills used to analyze it can easily be rebadged and applied in other fields. Not like all the large scale infrastructure, data management, and algorithm skills are only specifically applicable in the "big data" realm, that's just the most profitable place to apply them at the moment.

      IT isn't a job where you learn a skill then make money from it forever. You adapt to what people are willing to pay for and bring as much experience from the last thing as you can.

    3. Re:100% disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, managers and bosses love widget counting even if your business has little to do with widget production. You'll always have a job if you can give your boss some table or graph to wave around in meetings, meaningless or not; kept me employed for 20 years.

    4. Re:100% disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely agree with you. Ignoring large companies, there will always be some interesting conclusion that can be made by sifting through gobs of data sent by your users. Imagine being an ISP and seeing where your users all tend to go, particularly with respect to a lack of net neutrality? Guess they should avoid hiring people to sift through that information because it is a waste of time and money, right?

      The only thing that this entire article showed me is that Miko Matsumura is incompetent, and he clearly has no business writing articles about technology.

    5. Re:100% disagree by mikojava · · Score: 1

      fully agree, data and big data will always have a home, and corporate behavior is very much how you describe.

      Just thinking that the pendulum is going too far from structured data and that people are getting a bit ahead of themselves with respect to vendor hype in this area.

  10. Job titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of "Devops Engineer" on someones CV I saw. Had to chuckle at that one.

    1. Re:Job titles by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      A "Devops Engineer" is an engineer working on the operations for a development environment. In other words, he's the guy who says "hey, our team needs better communications with the QA team, so let's set up a proper ticketing system, rather than just emailing problem reports".

      Chuckle all you like, but ideally every dev team would have such a person. We've all heard the horror stories of developers using Word for source code, not keeping backups, and relying on a wall of Post-It notes for bug tracking.

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    2. Re:Job titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, devops is turning ops into devs and devs into ops. It's programmatically maintaining your infrastructure using tools like chef/puppet/cfengine/ansible. Instead of the bad old way where developers did dev and ops did ops and neither knew anything about the other and ops did everything by hand very slowly and nothing was reproducible or translatable from dev/testing to production and getting new developers on board took weeks to setup environments, etc...

    3. Re:Job titles by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      And its been around for ages i was hired onto a BT billing dev team as a devops guy as I was a SYSAD on primes I was the insurance policy in case the actual operators wouldn't play nice :-)

  11. Whooaaaa!!! Hold on there, big boy! by MickLinux · · Score: 2

    You can't do that, unless you can figure out how to make and file TWO resumes. Different ones, I mean.

    Man, these data scientists are all pipe dreams.

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    1. Re:Whooaaaa!!! Hold on there, big boy! by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      no pipe dream, my employer has those people, making big money

      and what's this nonsense and misconceptions about resumes you have between your ears?

      in my career, I've held engineer, science and IT positions. I have "IT-flavored" version of my resume for when I'm seeking an IT focused type job, "engineering-flavored" one, etc. All the resumes are true, no innacuracies and all experience can be verified by contacting previous employers or talking to former coworkers or reference. So the point is of course you can have different versions of your resume with different focus on duties and skills.

    2. Re:Whooaaaa!!! Hold on there, big boy! by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Informative

      You should have a different resume for each job you apply for......

      Keep a master resume with all of your details. When you apply for a job, copy the master and pare it down to the information most relevant to the job you are applying for. Then edit the result so that you look like the perfect candidate.....update project descriptions to emphasize the same buzzwords in the job listing, etc.

      If you only have one resume that you blast out to a ton of different job listings and they'll probably focus on the projects that are meaningless to their situation and weed you out more often than not.

      Oh, and BI (business intelligence) is still going strong at the company I work for......(not my area, but there's still tons of work under that label).

  12. Who is this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Who is this guy and why does his opinion matter? Either he has credentials or he backs up what he says with some evidence. Neither seems to be the case.

  13. TFA is BS by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, unless this is structured data, you will be subjected to the data equivalent of dumpster diving. But surfacing insight from a rotting pile of enterprise data is a ghastly process—at best.

    Sounds like this Miko Matsumura has no idea how successful Big Data projects actually work.

    To refine his analogy, unstructured data is much like processing recyclables. Everything that might possibly be good gets thrown into a large bin, and several sorting processes run to extract individual relevant (though messy) pieces. While those pieces alone aren't pure enough to be useful, there's enough meaningful information in them that statistical analysis can separate the good from the bad, and that's where the insight comes from.

    With a typical RDBMS, insight is readily apparent. A hypothesis that 75% of a user's purchases were widgets is simple to verify. In a non-relational database, as is often used in Big Data projects, that would be an inefficient computation (though it can be done). Rather, those databases are more aligned to produce a whole list of correlations between user demographics and purchasing habits, showing for example that users who buy widgets have often already bought foo bars. The "Data Scientist" didn't have to ever look specifically at statistics for widgets or foo bars, but the correlation is presented in a nice and accessible form, gleaned from millions or billions of independent data points.

    Miko Matsumura is a Vice President at Hazelcast, an open source in-memory data grid company.

    This is a SlashBI article written by executives for executives, with little basis in fact. Lovely.

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    1. Re:TFA is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, Miko has no clue what unstructured data looks like. Someone explained it to him and he interpreted it as a bunch of random files with random data that each will require custom parsing on an individual basis.

      It's scary that he is a VP anywhere--let alone a company like Hazelcast. Looks like they're hiring incompetence at the top levels and is a good reason to avoid their software.

  14. Machine Learner ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When it comes to sorting data, true salvation may lie in automation and other next-generation processes, such as machine learning and evolutionary algorithms; ...

    Just call yourself a "Machine Learning Scientist" and an "Evolutionary Algorithm Engineer"

  15. Buzzwords by SpankiMonki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since "Data Science" is dead, do we go back to using the old buzzwords? Or do we have to wait until some marketing MBA whiz-kid comes up with a sexy new word for "Analyst"?

    1. Re:Buzzwords by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      hardly dead, analytics and data analysis are still huge and growing field with high salaries for those with formal training. my employer has department of such people.

    2. Re:Buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of those old buzzwords is "librarian." There is even a documentary on the subject called The Librarian.

    3. Re:Buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we can't use "analyst" anymore because it'll trigger the porn filters.

  16. Computer Scientists in lab coats by wcrowe · · Score: 2

    The term reminds me of "Computer Scientist". I remember a TV commercial from the 80s for a digital watch that mimicked analog watches. The announcer would declare that the watch had been designed by "computer scientists" while an actor was displayed wearing a lab coat and looking at the watch under a microscope. The first time I saw it I was afflicted with fits of laughter.

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    1. Re:Computer Scientists in lab coats by cyberhooligan77 · · Score: 1

      Lets get rid off the "Dexter Lab Coat" stereotype.

      Many people, kids or adults doesn't really like to use "lab coats" & prefer to use the clothing they use on the school or street.

    2. Re: Computer Scientists in lab coats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is good science! I always look at my computer under a microscope when programming. That is simply to prevent pixilation.

      Every good scientist has a pocket microscope. Or what the gen y kids call a 'poke-mic'.

    3. Re:Computer Scientists in lab coats by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      Although there's noting like a good serious apron if you're working working on stuff. Lab work? Painting? Engine rebuild? Cleaning the basement? Grilling up a mess of bacon? Wear an apron.

      .

    4. Re:Computer Scientists in lab coats by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Actually not the reason people where lab coats is to stop thier clothes getting dirty/ruined by chemicals etc also there is a status thing going on as blue collar workers will probably be in overalls a white coat marks you out as a "professional" why do you think Abby wears a lab coat in NCIS - part of its is to mark her out as senior.

    5. Re:Computer Scientists in lab coats by toddestan · · Score: 1

      You do realize that there are practical reasons to wear a lab coat and it's not just a fashion statement?

    6. Re: Computer Scientists in lab coats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want to look at small things? There's an app for that.

  17. Resume padding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Position Held: Data Scientist (formerly Sanitation Engineer)

    Job Duties: Collected and anonymized data packets received from homeowners, each of whom on a weekly basis provided data samples for city agency to process and sort. Also lifted containers weighing up to 75 pounds. Became proficient driving 18-ton vehicles hauling 12+ tons of data at a time.

  18. You gotta be kidding me... by jonkinch · · Score: 2

    Sometimes I think slashdot should really do a better job of filtering these types of things, or at least highlight that this is an opinion and the person writing it has no clue what they are really talking about. I work in the BI space and do everything from Analysis, Architecture, Dashboards, Reporting, ETL, and any other job that fits into that space. We do have a data scientist here and he does nothing close to what this article talks about. In fact, I would argue that if you do the types of jobs this article talks about you're not actually a data scientist, you're a DBA, BA, or something of the sort. A Data Scientist is something very different, and typically they don't have the IT background to create SQL or do anything in the back-end. They do know stats, various algorithms, and can actually take meaningful numbers and explain what they mean, find new trends, and even identify correlations between attributes that the business never thought to look at. They are used to determine what's going on and maybe even why, and not necessarily used to answer a specific business question.

    1. Re:You gotta be kidding me... by cyberhooligan77 · · Score: 1

      Data Scientist, may sound Statistics to some of us, and Data Base related to others. Maybe you are right, and we are wrong.

      Could you provide a link to a web site, where Data Science could be described ?

      I do believe that concepts like Data Statistics, Relational Algebra, SQL, could be consider part of a Data Science diploma, but, none of this concepts should be consider individually Data Science, by themselves.

      Maybe, a new proposal for a Data Science diploma, could be created from this post.

      Thanks.

  19. Data scientist is like an IT janitor by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    90% of what a data science expert do is what people like to call data-juijitso (data reconfiguration). Which basically means getting data out of your RMDBs, SAP, Twitter, Facebook, random text (.csv, etc) file dumps, random Excel/Word Files and legacy databases and into some place you can actually generate conclusions from (like inside a HDFS Hadoop cluster). Plus during this process you need to normalize all your data so you can apply the same algorithm no matter where the data came from.

    All this means is that you will spend countless hours trying to connect to the client legacy stuff and then countless hours trying to get the data out (without impacting production systems!), so you can then spend countless hours formatting this data around to be able to spend countless hours trying to get this data into your Big Data(tm) solution so you can finally run some algorithms and create results. Now multiply all that by the number of different kinds of databases the client has and you get the idea.

    As an IT professional you really do not want to work in this field. No organization keep its data in a clean uniform way, data scientist is like an IT janitor.

    1. Re:Data scientist is like an IT janitor by chthon · · Score: 1

      So, just basic BI and data warehousing, but without the lessons learned in the past?

    2. Re:Data scientist is like an IT janitor by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 1

      Well technically the data science part is what you do after the data reconfiguration, but most people just use some kind of tool for doing that, so it is also very boring (you have to learn the tool and configure it to your data format).

    3. Re:Data scientist is like an IT janitor by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Data-juijitso is basically ETL work right?

      Yeah, that's the way I see those guys get treated.

    4. Re:Data scientist is like an IT janitor by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That's DBA work, not Data Scientist work.
      Try again.

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    5. Re:Data scientist is like an IT janitor by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 1

      Basically yes.

  20. It's data, and it's a science, so... by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

    Um, I'm a calibration scientist. My job is to pick through data and look for errors, which I then correct. I'm a scientist, not an engineer, because the data and its errors are from real physical processes. (The data I work with comes from multispectral satellite instruments.)

    If I can't call myself a 'Data scientist' on a resume, what term should I use? Approximately zero jobs are available for a 'Calibration scientist'.

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    1. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

      As an addendum, the day I put 'engineer' on my resume is the day my career is over. My degree is in theoretical physics. I have zero engineering background or training. I'm a scientist, and I can't compete with engineers for engineering jobs, nor do I want to. I've spent decades keeping the word 'engineer' off my job title and resume despite stupid managers trying to tack it on.

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    2. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I once had to fight to keep 'software engineer' off my job title.

      I kept explaining that I was not an engineer, that engineering was a specific regulated profession, and that to call me an engineer would be illegal and incorrect.

      It took a long time for our Personnel Management Engineers (HR) and the VP (who thought it sounded cool) to understand why it had to be otherwise.

      In some cases, companies like it because it sounds cool. But they have no idea that you can't simply call yourself an engineer any more than you can call yourself a lawyer or a doctor -- they actually mean something specific, and aren't just to be thrown around because you like them.

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    3. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

      Its a problem with the computer sciences in general. They keep cannibalizing terms and changing he meaning, like engineer and scientist.

      I am an aerospace engineer that specialized in fluid mechanics. Guess what? I know more about computer programming, linux, unix, memory architectures, compiling environments, programming language, etc. than most computer "scientists/engineers".

      But I need to know about all those things because I take the theory and discretize it for solution on whatever architecture my company owns at the present time. I can't ask an computer science major to do it.

      You need more than some certification to be an engineer or scientist and a lot of computer science degrees are simply collections of network certs.

    4. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I can't call myself a 'Data scientist' on a resume, what term should I use?

      How about "Multispectral Satellite Instrument Data Corrector"?

    5. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

      ...and the only place that will hire me with that description is the place I'm working at now. Very few private subcontractors are flying remote sensing satellites.

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    6. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like what you do is not part of the hype and it sounds quite valuable. I'm not sure what the appropriate title is. A good post below compared the term "Data Scientist" to "Webmaster"... you dont really see many people claiming to be that anymore.

      sorry I dont have any better suggestions.

    7. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by mikael · · Score: 1

      It does get confusing especially with job adverts... I see titles like "software consultant", "freelancer", "programmer" (for visualisation work), "scientific programmer" (for parallel processing research into fluid dynamics), member of technical staff, test engineer, compiler engineer, software engineer, senior software engineer, principal engineer, architect, as well as data scientist (with "Big Data", R, Java/Hadoop and Reduction).

      The main different between a programmer and an engineer was that the engineering work involved more consultation work with other engineers than actually coding, while the software consultant, freelancer, programmer concentrating on being given a specification from a single client.

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    8. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      IN some sites it's a crime to be called engineer if you don't have a PE Cert.... or drive a train.

      As it should be,

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    9. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      really? Most ?

      Doubtful

      "computer science degrees are simply collections of network certs."
      No, they aren't

      I don't think you know what a computer scientist is or does.

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    10. Re:It's data, and it's a science, so... by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      In what country in both the USA and the UK (The main English speaking country's) its not illegal to call your self an engineer if you don't have a Ceng or pE

  21. On Science, Actuaries, and FUD by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Science" lacks a robust definition, but clearly the OP's definition is overly simplistic and narrow. Stephen Hawking has a lecture somewhere (found it: http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-the-universe.html) where he talks about the idea of the "positivist" approach defined on the ability to predict outcomes, and I like to apply that definition to Science (Hawking doesn't, directly, but it's sort of an underlying theme). That is, Science becomes the observation and experimentation required to form predictions or cause changes in predicted outcomes.

    So Social Science can be a science in so far as it actually informs usefully on how people will behave or provides useful ways to affect and improve the behavior or state of society's future. Computer science is a science insofar as it is required to make computers function as expected (as predicted) -- if you want something to perform faster, you must do the research and experimentation to cause the outcome to be faster. Even archaeology can be a science by this definition in that discoveries are added to a general model of the past that predicted all sorts of things -- ancient society's behavior, glaciation, geological events... "predict" may be a stretch there (except when archaeological finds help predict the future), but in this case the method of building a model of how the world worked based on observation to describe and generalize behavior (of the earth, of ancient religions, or what have you) is a form of prediction; it's just after the fact.

    Data Science is very much science in this form; the job of a data scientist is almost universally to predict what the data will say about the future given what it has said in the past. This is invaluable to businesses and while the name may fall into disfavor, in the same way "actuary" which means something very similar already has, the abuse in this article is unwarranted, unfounded, and inaccurate. I will only agree that many who sport the "Data Science" moniker may not actually be doing science by any definition, but that's the individual's fault, not the concept's.

    1. Re:On Science, Actuaries, and FUD by mikojava · · Score: 1

      thanks for your thoughtful post. I agree actually that the word "Science" is a bit elusive in definition, and that certainly just because a field of inquiry is not a science by one definition does not mean it's without value.

      Also, I accept that there are multiple definitions of the word and some may include fields like Computer Science and Social Science, which of course are all legitimate fields of inquiry.

    2. Re:On Science, Actuaries, and FUD by hendrips · · Score: 1

      I think your post makes good points mostly, but I have to ask, since when did the phrase "actuary" fall in to disfavor, and when was anyone going to tell me?

      Signed,
      A P&C actuary

    3. Re:On Science, Actuaries, and FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the problem I have with "data science" and why it smells of corporate fad to me:

      "Data" and "science" are redundant--you can't have one without the other (or rather, you can't have science without data).

      So why not say "science"? Because these individuals don't test theories or deal with applied questions.

      Why not say "statistician"? Because they don't have a deep grasp of the statistical and modeling theory behind what they do.

      The term "data science" is basically synonymous with "stats jockey"--it's shorthand for "someone who knows how to do statistical analyses because we don't."

      For what it's worth, I think TFA is actually probably way off base in the basic premise--there will always be demand for individuals with quantitative skills. However, I agree that the whole "data science" thing per se is probably overblown, and the "we want to hire someone who can do modeling and quant stuff" will just take another name.

    4. Re:On Science, Actuaries, and FUD by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 1

      Thanks fort he nice replies... "disfavor" was probably strong, in terms of "Actuary", but I meant it more in terms of not having a negative connotation, just not having a rock-star or very popular buzz-word sort of connotation that "Data Scientist" seems to have now. I grew up wanting to be an actuary, curiously -- my father was one -- I got the math degree, I just wandered off into database work, but I do actually see our jobs as very similar. I think actuaries still come in as some of the "best" jobs annually in places where people report such things (http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/25/news/economy/best-job-actuary/).

      But (and don't tell my father this), I've never heard anyone call actuaries sexy (other than my mom and, let's face it, we don't want to go there). Not in the way "Data Scientist" has been hyped. That's what I meant -- no disrespect to actuaries anywhere. ;-)

  22. The Article Is Misinformed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately the article is over-responding to the hype that currently surrounds 'big data'.

    It's true that many companies are jumping on the band wagon and starting projects that have little potential for any return. The same happened with Web technologies in the 90's.

    It's also true that many 'data science' projects are extremely beneficial to the companies that initiate them. Many companies that executed Web technology projects in the 90's saved / made significant amounts of money from them, and some of them are now the largest companies in the economy.

    Big data projects have to play by the same rules of any other technology investment -- defined goals backed up by ROI analysis to justify the expense. And if you are going to outsource your project to consultant you have to thoroughly vet their skills and experience, just as with any other technology consultant.

    Saying that data science is dead just because it's popular is more harmful than helpful.

  23. Theory vs Real World by cyberhooligan77 · · Score: 1

    There are several subjects disscused in this post.

    * First, wheter there is a "Data Science" career. Since, I discover how math can be applied to handle data, when learnt Relational Algebra, & Data Normalization, in Collegue, I realized there could be a "Data Science" school diploma. And include OLAP, Key-Value, NoSQL, Statistics data handling, with their respective math theorical support.

    * Second, like any other career, there is a diference in how is taught in school, & how is applied in business.

    What about the Data Analysis software, the employers require a job candidate, to know before. Reporting Software, OLAP, SQL, other.

    * Third, how interesting could be this job positions for a Mathematician, or Data related Programmer ?

    I have received several Data Statistics or Data Bases, or Data Analysts, job offers, all of them, just boring, no future, dead end jobs. Sometimes, well paid, sometimes not.

    * Extra Point.

    Data Programmer, here, that has some knowledge on Human Resources, & Psychology. I have applied for several (Data related) Programming & Analysts jobs, where I had to solve some (Data or Statistics) Math Evaluations. More than 10 years in the field, & didn't pass them. Many of these H.R. tests are complex, and not related to real world experience.

    * Summary. Data Science is not dead, in fact there are two kinds of Data Science, the one that is taught in school, and the one that employers expect.

    Just my 2 cents.

    1. Re:Theory vs Real World by mikojava · · Score: 1

      this is a good and rational perspective. I think if there is a formalization of the concept of Data Science including academic certification, maybe it could become more credible.

  24. definition (never gets old) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Big Data: the belief that as the size of a pile of shit increases, the probability of finding a pony approaches one.

    1. Re:definition (never gets old) by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Y'know, once your pile covers a large enough area of land, there's bound to be a pony in there somewhere.

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  25. Re: Bedwetting Liberals Hate This So Much! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe that is true, maybe not. If it was, we are also seeing blacks trending away from this behavior with each generation. What about the Irish? They are all Irish. China, Tibet, Russia, Ukraine. This not generally a race (cultural issue) and more if a lack of education and maybe luck where and when you are born.

  26. Synergized leverage of 5,000 mile view by sinij · · Score: 1

    Synergized leverage of 5,000 mile view with a stakeholder buy-in increases both capacity and bandwidth of core clientele and creates engagement with the low-hanging fruit.

    or

    Shut up, and code.

  27. Big data == bad engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, move the data to the processing. That's the way to do it...

    If you are trying to sell:
    Servers
    Switches
    Storage devices

    Move the processing to the data. Turn it into small data.

  28. False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In every large organization I have worked almost every example of egregious waste had its roots in lack of data. Good data is essential for making good management decisions. Without good data all you are doing is guessing at best, and with inaccurate data you may be making catastrophically wrong decisions.

    The other universal truth is that management HATES objective data with a passion. It almost invariably conflicts with their management philosophy or ideology, which causes them to reject or ignore the data. The results are predictable in every case, but humans as a group are too stupid to learn from past mistakes.

  29. Ask UnderArmor by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    UA, a Baltimore company hosts data science meetups. Why? Because UA is data science driven. All company decisions are made based on data. So it seems that the OP is complete BS, because it is effectively creating results, and those results are highly successful for a major corporation.

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    1. Re:Ask UnderArmor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol... this argument is weak. Because of this one data point, the OP is "complete BS"

    2. Re:Ask UnderArmor by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      It's called a counter example.

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    3. Re:Ask UnderArmor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That data science stuff worked out really well for the US Olympic speed skating team... *ducks*

  30. More DICE.COM market "insight" ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know about you but I am sick and tired of DICE's attempts to
    channel and steer the employment market through astroturf postings
    to Slashdot, which they also happen to own. Most of what the talking-heads
    at DICE churn out regarding employment is simply untrue. Not 'not-the-truth'
    as that they don't know any better, but telling lies as in spreading deliberately
    misleading information, as in telling a mean-spirited lie.

    DICE is not a platform for you and me to find lucrative jobs. Instead it is the
    other way around, DICE is a platform for employers to find cheap labor. The
    people who in THE END PAY DICE (that is those who use their system to
    recruit and those who advertise on DICE.COM sites), they are not interested
    in hooking you up with a $150,000 job when you could also be working for
    $80,000.

    I'm not a Data Scientist myself, but I work with a bunch of them and from what
    see they are working on I know I'd have to go back to school for that. It also
    explains why they are worth so much and hard to get.

    1. Re:More DICE.COM market "insight" ?? by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      But don't forget, tell Dice to junk the Beta UI for Slashdot! It is a social media scam, dsigned to simplify the interface into a blog so it is easier to data mine. So FUCK Beta, and FUCK analytics, and FUCK business data, and if needed, FUCK data scientists.

  31. Where have you been? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

    You can't do that, unless you can figure out how to make and file TWO resumes. Different ones, I mean.

    Man, these data scientists are all pipe dreams.

    Well, it is not rocket science to have more than one resume. You have one work history, but you will use more than one resume format to present it in different (but veritable) ways according to the situation.

    See, you are supposed to have multiple versions of your resume (which are true and accurate of course) according to job postings or fields of concentration. If you have a varied work experience, or you are contemplating lateral moves, this is a must.

    Consider the following situation I had to deal with recently. After doing some C++ (and other programming bestialities), I switched Java/JEE in the commercial. I did that for about 11 years at several small and large firms (Sony, Citicorp, Motorola, etc.).

    Then switched back to C/C++, for embedded systems and communication technology (and a bit of hypervisor research) with a defense contractor. The opportunity was there, after doing e-commerce/enterprisey stuff for so long, this looked very interesting (and more engaging of my CS background) and the money was good, so why not I said.

    Then just recently when I tried to go back to Java, and all of the sudden my resume was being sent to the garbage can and job agencies were not submitting me to Java openings I was well qualified for.

    Why is that? Well, apparently since I did C/C++ for nearly 4 years (ZOMG! no Java in 4 years!) somehow I became a retard who wouldn't know how to code EJBs, access a database, run an ant or maven build script or put a fucking dynamic web page together. 11 years of Java experience (and 18 years of software engineering) meant shit. I mean seriously?

    But such is the world of HR drones and employment middlemen. You can't live out of it, and you have to work with it (or cut through it) in any way possible (otherwise you end up with a shitty job as a neophyte.)

    So what I did is that I kept multiple versions of my resume. For a C++ job, I highlighted my recent work describing it in appropriate detail right of the bat, with all the different projects and positions on the first page. This would be my "default" resume.

    For a Java job, I would reduce all my C++ work to two lines and bring as much past Java work experience as possible on the first page. Why is that? To ensure the HR drones and staffing middle men would see all the right Java buzzwords on the first page.

    There was/is no false information at all on my resumes. I simply omitted work I already did to stress another one. How fucked up is that, that you have to remove some of your recent work history just to get contemplated by human buzzword scanners?

    In the end, it worked (sort of since I was able to get a Java position via personal reference and passing the necessary technical interviews.)

    But regardless. One should always try to make her case directly to the technical people in charge of hiring. But this is a very rare (and blissful) event. More often than not, you will go through HR or a staffing agency.

    That is the general case. And for that general case, you better have your work history in more than one resume format, stressing items according to the desired job position (without lying of course or claiming that you have done shit you have not, of course.)

    Companies might be desiring software engineers. But in practice, by accident and plain stupidity, they don't hire for software engineers. They hire for savantism, for autonomous, one-trick-pony drones that operate precisely along the lines of magically selected buzzwords. 10+ years of X, 5+ years of Y and 8+ years of Z. Mix and shake.

    Imagine if we were to hire carpenters like that:We seek a master carpenter with 10+ years of experience using a Husky hammer, 8+ years using a HDX philips screwdriver, and 12+ years using a Black & Decker circular saw. Oh, and the br

    1. Re:Where have you been? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      and you need a college degree loaded with theory in construction that is more for high level design but not for the hands on doing the work part and HR does not like tech / trades schools that do teach the hands on doing the work part.

  32. Another 140 character or less take by istartedi · · Score: 1

    OK, I wasn't going after "data science" specifically, but ad algos and how my twitter feed has become a cesspool of mental masturbation for ad algorithm people, which is the "killer app" for "big data":

    1. PhD invents fantastic ad algo. 2. Guy sees ad on iPhone, takes EBT card there. 1. PhD applies for EBT card. #OneTwoPunch

    Wow, I can't believe I just typed that many buzzwords in a Slashdot post; but at least I had a reason and put most of them in quotes... dammit. "algos". Anyway, I wonder if everybody's twitter feed is as bad as mine lately. I think it might have to do with a former co-worker who now works in that field. Thus, I get a lot of improperly targeted ads for people who are in the data-mining/ad biz. Of course I'll never buy their product--I'm not a CxO who's looking to proactively synergize my paradigms.... but it's an interesting "fly on the wall" view of how that world works, so I'm not entirely sure if I should find a way to stop it.

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  33. Calling yourself a 'scientist' w/out a doctorate? by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    I'd think that'd be a red flag on a resume. (Sorry autodidacts.)

    .

  34. Data Scientists are this bubble's Web Masters by rockmuelle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been working with big data since before it was a term and currently run a scientific software company that touches on many aspects of "data science". Many of my colleagues also work in the field. I've seen many fads come and go. Data Science as a profession is one of those.

    Most people who call themselves data scientists are really just doing "big data" processing using tools such as Hadoop. They are delivering results to managers who have jumped on the big data band wagon and, not knowing any better, have asked for these skills. In 99% of the cases, the processing is simply haphazardly looking for patterns or running basic statistics on data that really isn't that big. However, there is a lot of low hanging fruit in data that hasn't been analyzed before and most practitioners who've suddenly become data analysis experts are rewarded for trivial findings. A tiny bit of statistics, programming, and data presentation skills go a long way.

    Compare this to the Web Masters of the late 1990s. The Web was new and managers knew that they needed Web sites. HTML and CGI were techie things but also fairly easy to learn. A group of people quickly figured out that they could be very important to a company by doing very little work and created the position of Web Master. A tiny bit of programming, sys admin, and design skills went a long way.

    Web Masters disappeared when IT departments realized that you actually needed real software developers, real designers, and real sys admins to run a corporate Web site. Sure, the bar is still low, but expertise beyond a 'For Dummies' book is still needed. And, few people can be experts in each area, hence the need for teams.

    Real data science has actually been around for a long time. Statisticians and data analysts have been performing this role for decades and have built up a lot of rigor around it. It a tough skill set to develop, but a very useful one to have. "Big Data" distracted people a bit and let the current generation of data scientists jump in and pretend everything was new and we could throw out the old methods. As the field evolves, data science will necessarily transition back to the experts (statisticians) and become a team effort that includes people skilled in programming, IT, and the target domain (analysts).

    That said, there's good money to be made right now, so if you have Web Master on your resume, you might as well be a data scientist while you can. ;)

    -Chris

    1. Re:Data Scientists are this bubble's Web Masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice analogy... not a lot of people claiming to be "Web Masters" these days lol

    2. Re:Data Scientists are this bubble's Web Masters by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Funny how this simple "webmaster" job seems so flipping hard. I have just started a new gig at an agency and after only 3 days I have looked at two major companies websites and found such major howlers that I wonder how there development/webmasters can mange to walk and chew gum at the same time.

  35. Re:Calling yourself a 'scientist' w/out a doctorat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kind of like all the "Knowledge Engineers" who didn't have an engineering degree, or even all that much knowledge for that matter.

  36. Re:Calling yourself a 'scientist' w/out a doctorat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd think that'd be a red flag on a resume. (Sorry autodidacts.) .

    Take it outside, Wolowitz.

  37. unwanted post. Just pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give that man a finger. ..posts like these are meant to create an unwanted, frivolous buzz in the town.

  38. Somebody better tell leading research universities by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Because they're expanding Data Science.

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  39. Hype about Hype by SkiTee94 · · Score: 1

    There's no question that there's a certain amount of hype around 'big data' / 'data science' at the moment, and with that comes a lot of "me too!" people. If the argument is that there's a lot of people just jumping on the bandwagon saying they can do 'data science' then I'll give the author that... but the suggestion that 'data science is dead' seems a bit hyperbolic to say the least.

    I've worked with a lot of top-notch people that would likely be labeled as 'data scientists' and I can tell you that:
    1) They can do some amazing things
    2) They honestly don't care what you call them ('data scientists' / 'wiz kid' / 'that guy who's Linux box is secretly running our company') and are happy to let other people waste their own time arguing about titles
    3) They do generate real value
    4) Their employers value them and that's reflected in their pay
    5) Their employers typically want more people just like them, but have a hard time finding/recruiting that talent... yes HR likes resume key words so they don't need to do any real work finding people to interview

  40. There still seems to be plenty of data in science by Shag · · Score: 1

    Our current-generation workhorse instruments here at the telescope spit out tens of gigabytes per night as it is. The new camera we've been commissioning produces something like two gigabytes per exposure. And oh, yes, that data has to be archived, reduced, analyzed, etc., using things like IRAF or IDL. (Not my job.)

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  41. Whooooshhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was joking. Of course people have more than 1 version of a resume.

    1. Re:Whooooshhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention, that if a data scientist can't handle more than one resume, WHAT'S HIS ACTUAL QUALIFICATION?

      Clearly, those with any sense of the ridiculous have left the building.

  42. body of the subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a data scientist, you insensitive nerd.

  43. It's working well for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm working independently as an entrepreneur. Read my last post "How to compete against data scientists charging $30/hour" at http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/how-to-compete-against-data-scientists-charging-30-hour

    Data Scientist no dead yet...

  44. agreed... Re:Not-scientist about science by Fubari · · Score: 2
    Agreed. I wanted to learn something; turns out it is just a lame opinon piece.
    From TFA (emphasis added):

    Yes, by this standard, Astronomy and Social Sciences are also not sciences. I have no idea what Computer Science is, but no, it’s not a science either.

    *sigh* RTFA was a waste of time.

  45. What's the difference between a data scientist and by poached · · Score: 1

    What's the difference between a data scientist and a statistician? A data scientist is a statistician who lives in San Francisco. Credit: https://www.quora.com/Data-Sci...

  46. Science is a philosophy, not a vocation by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    I have a BSc in computer science and operations research (logistics), that bestows the title of "computer scientist" on me but I prefer the term "software developer", I currently do software development at a place that calls itself a "systems engineering research centre". There are lots of stats and data involved in the job but these things do not add up to a scientist doing science.

    A Phd is valuable in that it demonstrates that you can research a given topic in an academic setting and formally communicate your findings to others, it's practically mandatory if you want to get someone to pay you to ponder the universe full time. Having said that, Science itself is a philosophy not a vocation, if you live by that philosophy then you are a "Scientist", if you are incurious and just enjoy the fruits of science then you're probably a "Utilitarian".

    As to TFA, as an Aussie I've never heard the term "data scientist", I figure it must be American MBA's looking for the word "statistician". They should know however that data mining the internet has been "solved" , IBM are starting to make instances of 'Watson" available to commerce. And speaking of doctors, Watson is also expected to pass the standard exam for a US medical license.

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  47. Re:Calling yourself a 'scientist' w/out a doctorat by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Why? Calling your self a Doctor without one would be, but not scientist.

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  48. Re:Calling yourself a 'scientist' w/out a doctorat by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    You know that in astronomy several amateurs have made major discoverys? And a Scientist is just an engineer who lacks thumbs :-)

  49. The End of Data Science As We Know It by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    Data Science is not "dead", but I've blogged my response: The End of Data Science as We Know It

  50. Job description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pick through the data looking for meaningful patterns, attempt to link causation to correlation. And finally, assign responsibility or blame for what might be random noise.

    Sounds like a climate scientist to me.

  51. Collect data, analyze data, ignore data by anomalous3 · · Score: 1

    Data Science will be around for a while yet, but the truth is most organizations that hire expensive data scientists will collect data, analyze it, and proceed to ignore any recommendations and proceed on gut instinct, or overcorrect retroactively, rather than making decisions based on the analyzed data. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't. Depends on whose gut instincts are being followed.

  52. actual scientists need not worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taking an online course in "data science" doesn't make you a data scientist.
    Despite the new "data" part, the term "scientist" is still rigorously defined as a person who dedicates their life to the pursuit of knowledge. *Ugh*, sorry for the turd in your coffee there (homage to the late great bill hicks), but I did say pursuit of knowledge, not money. If you want money, take a course, put it on your resume and complain that no one takes it seriously. Don't damn a field on slashdot because you had a negative ROI for some Khan academy course you took in your free time.
    As a computer scientist and engineer (ms and phd respectively), having researched in academia for over 8 years, I have a pretty decent publication record to go along with the academic and proper accolades on my resume. That's how scientists get hired. That's why they get paid well. They are the expert in some aspect of the field. It's Not grades, or certifications, but instead it's a novel influence on the field that recruiters are looking for. But don't take my word for it, check out this video of the guest speaker panel at the 2013 KDD conference in Chicago (you are going to conferences covering the most important topics in your given field right?).

    http://videolectures.net/kdd2013_panel_start_ups/

    I know you didn't watch it, you're not a data scientist. And if you are, you probably watched 2 minutes of it and went, yeah i know this stuff I've got more important stuff to do than watch videos online (setting up a cluster... is why i had time). So for the latter crowd I will summarize: all of the scientists on the panel assert not only the health of the data science field, but even advocate that more data scientists consider startups, to further it.

  53. I was called a tool for saying this by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    A year ago I argued that the whole "Big Data" thing was just a buzzword to make DBAs feel better about themselves. Basically big data is when you use statistics 101 and some halfway decent modern computers to do what you should have been doing all along. Some Big Data sales blowhards would use terms like ML which usually turned out to be just statistics 201.

    But after saying this I had a bunch of people jump all over me screaming that I didn't have a clue. About the only intelligent comment was someone asking what a DBA was.

  54. Re:data scientist, not to worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about that hypothesis? Correlation is not the same as hypothesis, as the theoretical meaning. It is just a useless coincidence without a useful genetic theory, so people who count clicks or mine Facebook comments for clues about users are just as vulnerable to myth as any idiot who forms a theory half-cocked.

    I have a friend whose last name is Truner. He is also a gardener. Google Ads targeted an ad for a compost turner to a message from him on Google Mail, Ha, Ha! We are all safe!

  55. Obsolete titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who calls themselves web master or web mistress anymore?

  56. I humbly submit that unless your being hired by th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that matters is "What" do you know how to do? "Why" is that Important? and "How" does that apply to my institution's needs, wants and aspirations? The title becomes unimportant the minute someone askes you how you can make a difference to me and my organization.