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Eric Schmidt, Jared Cohen Say Google Data Now Protected From Gov't Spying
An anonymous reader writes "Google's Eric Schmidt and Jared Cohen were [part of a] wide-ranging session at SXSW today and they revealed that Google's data is now safely protected from the prying eyes of government organizations. In the last few days Google upgraded its security measure following revelations that Britain's GCHQ had intercepted data being transmitted between Google datacenters, Schmidt said that his company's upgrades following the incident left him 'pretty sure that information within Google is now safe from any government's prying eyes.'"
Eric Schmidt likes to lie........don't believe anything from his mouth!!
Sure, the data might be safe from a government's prying eyes, but will it be safe from a government who kindly asks for the data, with the company acquiescing between it wants to maintain its lucrative business links with the authorities?
Well that was close. Everybody forget about all the leaks and headlines for the past months.
I doubt the government will try spying on us AGAIN!
Seriously is there anyone that would actually believe such a statement?
If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.
I'd be dubious if I believed they really cared about protecting us. I don't.
He did not mention which government.
Buffoons, do you really think that we've already forgotten PRISM? That wasn't "hacking" by GHCQ or NSA. It was cooperation with them.
>"they revealed that Google's data is now safely protected from the prying eyes of government organizations. "
That is nonsense. The NSA could probably STILL access the information if they want to (and likely will) or Google can be compelled to reveal it with a super secret demand order, or even a regular warrant.
No information that is ever collected is ever "safe" from prying eyes. And even Google having the information is certainly nothing to be comfortable about. They have ENOUGH information about consumers already... certainly enough to be creepy.
How many Google employees are undercover agents from the US gov? The Chinese ? The Andorran ?
How many Google employees are using their access to the data for their personal use (like NSA's loveint, for example)
How to protect from Google exploiting that data to undermine competitors, get unfair advantages ?
What these megacorps is saying is not that they protect people's data, they say they feel above government and decide
what could and what could not be disclosed, what could and what could not be exploited.
There is no reason to believe that Google is a saner or more acceptable Big Brother than the NSA.
really? People believe that? This is ridiculous. I thought is was understood how Google got so big so fast now. Even if it would not be true, the method Snowden exposed go far beyond what could anyone do, they essentially hacked hardware maker and have code for them in the very chips they make, they can infiltrate and modify codes of software makers before it is released and they did it, this is not even science fiction now, we know it's far beyond what the wildest conspiracy theorist were proposing. How can someone claim they are protected against that? What proof can they bring that it won't happen again? Even without human error or social engineering they can.
Link in case you forgot or don't want to see shit for what it is: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back-doors-for-numerous-devices-a-940994.html
Because he cannot even disclose his backdoor deals with the government to provide access willingly.
Also black operations methods to intercept the data via satellite and radar still exist, by observing computer and electro emissions from cables over long-range. They call this technique Van Eck Phreaking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V...
Observe the TEMPEST emissions standards of NSA/DOD themselves, to get an idea of what signals can be remotely observed (virtually any signal can be, and they're very paranoid about unshielded cables, unshielded monitors, and unshielded computer systems): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...
On top of that, surveillance methods using radar and satellite mind reading are wide spread, allowing them to extract passwords, what you see and hear and think and dream, and more. All the information we use to secure the data centers and our personal accounts is available and unsecure in our minds, giving them direct access using the TAMI system, "Thought Amplifier and Mind Interface," patented by Robert Malech in 1974, deployed by the NSA and DOD in 1976, and owned by EDO Corporation (now defunct and owned by ITT Corporation): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I... Yes, understandably, they don't need access to Google to steal our Google data, they can get it from our minds or by remotely watching us, as well. But lets say they want to prank and hack Google, yeah they can do that.
Robert Malech's patent is defunct but the patent and knowledge and systems obviously passed down through EDO Corporation to ITT Corporation, and Raytheon today owns other types of radar and directed-energy and remote imaging patents related. Malech's original patent, at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...
Raytheon's radar remote imaging and remote targeting patent for technology very similar, but perhaps covers more of the electronic systems targeting (in addition to human targeting, for slow-kill and other directed-energy abuses, plus systems hacking/tampering): http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...
More details brought to light by CIA, DOD, and US DOJ whistleblower Dr. Robert Duncan who helped invent the system, personally programming the software for various Navy systems and US DOJ satellite systems for "tracking heart rate, breathe, and license plates from space." He has a PhD and several degrees from Harvard, Darthmouth, MIT, and has also worked for several fortune 500s. He has personally seen brain images from TAMI and helped invent these weapons systems. Details and his interviews/books at: http://www.oregonstatehospital...
Dr. Robert Duncan's biography here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/...
Buy Dr. Robert Duncan's books:
Project: Soul Catcher: Secrets of Cyber and Cybernetic Warfare Revealed : http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...
How to Tame a Demon: A short practical guide to organized intimidation stalking, electronic torture, and mind control : htt
However it's still not safe from the prying eyes of Google.
Even if data inside Google's domain is secure, it is still not secure on the way there...
Then why on earth would NSA code be inserted into Android.
http://www.businessweek.com/ar...
bah
From the article, “pretty sure that information within Google is now safe from any government’s prying eyes.” Well, pretty sure just doesn't cut it for me.
I am sure that his whole industry is based on provable metrics. So the prood is in the pudding my friend ... how can we know what you claim is true. 'pretty sure' does not go very far.
and they revealed that Google's data is now safely protected from the prying eyes of government organizations.
Does anyone actually believe this? First off we know that all the government has to do is issue a National Security Letter and Google will fold like a dish cloth. Eric Schmidt isn't about to go to jail to protect you. Second, he has every reason to publicly proclaim our data is "safely protected" in order to protect his business regardless of whether it is true. Third, he cannot possibly promise that even if he genuinely believes it because he can't prove it. Fourth, even if he could somehow be sure he's keeping the government snoops out, he won't provide anyone the access necessary to verify it.
There are things they could say that I would believe but him being "pretty sure" that our data is safe just isn't really credible.
...unless, of course, they ask kinda nicely for it.
then we just hand it over.
never bring a twinkie to a food fight.
That's about how long the NSA will take to crack it; and move on.
Google's Eric Schmidt and Jared Cohen were [part of a] wide-ranging session at SXSW today and they revealed that Google's data is now safely protected from the prying eyes of government organizations.
Now what about the accusations that they were willfully co-operating behind closed doors with spying agencies? I like how the press really kept up with anything. Not only did they not bother to find that out, they didn't bother to see what safety/warnings systems are in place for a possible "tap in" of there lines. Were talking Jane and Joe public here what do they know? And would they even care?
I'm 50/50 on what possibly took place behind the public's back, let alone these BS "request letters". Someone out there that's either a journalist, or involved in the underground should really look into all of it. Not that you could believe any of it, but it would make things more interesting.
Assuming you believe this line, they're only providing countermeasures against data at rest or moving within their networks.
Does anyone remember that whole "trusted proxy" thing that's creeping into the HTTP 2.0 draft spec?
Is anyone else familiar with the MITM capabilities of a Blue Coat ProxySG device, and how widely deployed they are amongst ISPs?
right! and we are supposed to believe that just because they're saying so? is google going to break the law to support what they're saying?
and who protects us from google?
if they are so interested in protecting their users why not encrypt every user data with a key that only the user controls?
...is next month.
Almost had me there...
I'm not a fan of Google's, but I'm not sure why people are unwilling to recognize this is a significant step in the right direction.
Before Google took the steps necessary to ensure communications between data centers was secured, the government could (and apparently did) just slurp up everything and troll for information. Now, at least they'll need some sort of court order, which means they'll need at least a modicum of an idea what they are targeting.
The entire government system is still deeply - maybe even fatally - flawed. Even if Obama's reforms actually take place, there's still far too much power left in the hands of the secret courts and the spy agencies. But fixing this horrible, unconstitutional mess will take time and effort. Correcting (or, in this case, interfering with) even one aspect of it is welcome news.
#DeleteChrome
Sure, spying without the cooperation of Google may have gotten a bit more expensive, but that is the best-case scenario.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
While gag orders exist, we can believe nothing from an American, or a company domiciled in America, or a country beholden to America.
Sorry.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
They say they need a court order. How do we know they havn't just issued some secret National Security Letter or FISA warrant that says 'let us sift through everything, and we'll throw you in jail if you ever tell anyone this request was made?' This assurance is better than nothing, yes - but it doesn't change the fact that if you want to be secure from prying government eyes human or automated, you just can't trust any service provider any more. The only way to be sure is to verify security at both endpoints of any conversation, and encrypt on the assumption that all intermediary hosts and routers are compromised or monitored.
Away from the power of the US government. Then we might, possibly, believe these comments. Till then, use American tech companies last, or to provide misinformation to them...
Google's primary business is advertising. All the services they provide are there to service that business, either by allowing them to serve up more advertisments or by collecting data they can use to target those adverts with greater precision.
This would be the same Eric Schmidt who said "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."?
And now we're expected to believe him, when he says he's keeping us safe from letting anyone know what we're doing?
He killed a lot of trust with the original comment.
He just killed a whole lot more.
All your ghosts are just false positives.
Anyone find it worrying the data being transmitted between areas WASN'T secure in the first place?
It is like sending a letter without an envelope, that is basically what they just said.
Of course, this is slashdot and as always, I am too lazy to read the article.
Maybe only good to other gmail users, but it's something.
Intelligence agencies LIE to the public. It is codified as one of their most potent weapons. Google was created to design the software and hardware systems required to collect, store, index, process, mine, search and access the unthinkable masses of digital data arising and available in the modern age. One can read about the history of the dreadful pre-Google installations used by the NSA and other intelligence agencies.
Today, having 'tamed' the problem of electronic intelligence gathering, Google has set its sites on introducing ROBOT TANKS into America's future battlefields. Google's 'Streetview', aerial photography of every Human settlement on the Earth, face recognition algorithms, self-driving systems, and many other Google projects all exist to solve problems faced by autonomous robotic tanks. Now Google is spending endless billions buying up every military robot research company. I would imagine Google's zionist owners plan to have America using Google designed killing machines within 20 years, and to groom the public to accept the same within 10 years.
Any public statement made by Google's zionist owners or senior managers (each of whom are proud to attend the most extremist events in Israel) can be assumed to be a lie intended to 'groom' you.
And let me remind you, the NSA and GCHQ have both been forced to make VERY public statements saying that under no circumstances must legal action in court refer to intelligence gathered by these spies. They state that allowing the public to know the extent to which information gathered about them by the spy agencies is put to use threatens a political back-lash that could force a ban on much of their activities. So, the owners of Google KNOW the intent of the US government in the near future is to HIDE the fact that NSA intelligence is used against the people of America, and so what the people don't know can be equated (falsely) with the idea that it doesn't actually happen.
AT&T likewise deny they work with the NSA, and yet over and over, employees of this company have detailed the extent to which NSA equipment is built into AT&T infrastructure, allowing DIRECT collection of ALL data passing through AT&T lines. So, when the AT&T boss looks you sheeple in the face and says "there is no government equipment tapping our lines", are you going to allow the known lie to change your understanding, just because the lie is spoken?
It gets worse for you sheeple. You can read the actual US laws that FORCE people who 'co-operate' with the NSA to lie about the fact, if asked. There is no mystery about why and when they lie. It is written down in black-and-white in the books that describe current US laws. So why do the owners of Slashdot, KNOWING that the owners of Google lie, give the lies such public exposure? Because the owners of Slashdot know many of you are so thick, you'll believe the lies. Do you really enjoy being treated in such a despicable way?
Now if we can just protect it from Google spying.
... that they are now above the law. The fascist NSA can put you in jail if you do not do as they say, it's that simple.
The next Director of the National Security Agency will demand of the President of the United States of America the death of Eric Schmidt.
The President of the United States of America will grant the request ASAP.
The "Googleplex" will be the first target of Military Drones armed with neutron enhanced nuclear munitions within and on USA soil for the first time in USA history.
"Good night ... Google", Obama will say to Schmidt in a phone call 1 minute ahead of the conflagration.
FU
I'm guessing the scoop is that they implemented crypto on their circuits between data centers---something they promised to do after the Snowden deal hit the fan---and should have done ages ago. What it means now is that the NSA can't passively scoop data from the links, they will now simply have to hack Google's server infrastructure to collect the data, or supply them with TAO-compromised hardware as part of their equipment replacements, or ask for a secret court order under a secret law from a secret judge in a secret court to be served to secret employees in the secret division within Google. Or they could use a $5 wrench on the guy with the server keys while he is in a locale with questionable legal jurisdiction, such as...say...an airport.
Nobody in Europe is going to believe that B.S. about being safe.
all the terrorists to communicate thru......Now all they have to do is convince the spying government terrorist of it... collect datat for a couple years then leak the hell out of it.... Then we won't have a spying problem anymore.
The only way to be safe from leaks on the internet is to not make whatever not accessible on or from the internet.
'pretty sure that information within Google is now safe from any government's prying eyes.
It doesn't work if their last round of spying got them the root password, and the backdoors planted.
They can still infiltrate the companies' datacenter employee staff with their own operatives.
And another mechanism at their disposal -- is, of course, lawful orders together with gag orders.
Now, if only my data was safe from Google's eyes...
Google has indeed managed to prevent any government (US, UK, China, etc.) from eavesdropping on and decrypting its data... by giving them direct access to the unencrypted data. As they've been doing for several years now.
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/US/
They publish the number of accounts affected, and it's still pretty low (compared to the number of accounts they host at least). Of course that too could be a lie, but they've fought hard for the legal right to show this information (in its aggregated form) and I doubt we've come to the point that the government could compel them to lie about it. But once you accept the proposition that everyone could be colluding and lying all the time it's hard to reject any theory about the world no matter how far-fetched.
It's actually pretty interesting to see that the "Percentage of Requests Where Some Data Produced" rate is declining. Broader searches ? or people are getting more anonymous ?
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A significant step in the right direction would be moving all data centers to a free country.
You are so shitty, it is unbelievable.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, when you moved hundreds of Terabyts of CUSTOMER DATA (Emails, Docs, queries, cookie-based surfing habits) PER DAY between your data centers, NOT ENCRYPTED ?
Please excuse my shouting, but I sincerely thing it was appropriate here.
Mr Schmidt and Mr Cohen have ensured the high-performance crypto devices which are supposed to secure the intra-datacenter traffic leak their relevant crypto keys to NSA.
Do we really think the Fox (Cohen, NSC) has a real interest in guarding the hen house ???
While the right continues to pick-pocket...
So Google is 'Safe'...
The question and perhaps the anger of the population is, 'So if you can snoop on Google... How much deeper are you 'collecting' in the MDFs of the Telcos"
But the people are too distracted by the left hand...
I am not saying that killing millions of people is a proper response to one group controlling finance and government, the poster certainly is up to something.
The jews indeed have made special rules for themselves and how they can act in the finance sphere. And sure as hell they are big-time players in the information business, as banking is very much related to information processing. Google and facebook have been founded by jews and I hear jews all the time defending the actions of NSA almost unqualified.
The Russian approach of handling this problem seems to be measured and proper: They kick those (e.g. Chodorkowski) out of country, who think they can rape that nation without regret.
Lately, eloquent champions of war in Ukraine have been jews, too. Time to smarten up or being led to the butcher, folks.
The NSA told them to say this, right? I mean, it's not like we can really know either way, since the trust has been obliterated.
They say they need a court order. How do we know they havn't just issued some secret National Security Letter or FISA warrant...
True, but at least they have to ask for the data now. Before they could just go digging through it.
I'm not a fan of Google's, but I'm not sure why people are unwilling to recognize this is a significant step in the right direction.
Because they aren't really going to bat on this. It would be one thing if this was some big surprise to them but the KNOW the government is snooping and their response has been half-hearted at best. Google has a huge war chest to fight the good fight on this. I realize they can't do some things but they aren't doing a lot of things that they can do, including lobbying HARD on this issue. Google isn't the only one. I put just as much blame on Apple and Microsoft and Facebook and the rest of the tech giants. Want to profit on information about us? Fine, then step up and defend us in ways we cannot.
Before Google took the steps necessary to ensure communications between data centers was secured, the government could (and apparently did) just slurp up everything and troll for information.
If the government could do it, so could others and I'm pretty sure Google has some people smart enough to realize that. All this means is that if they had the ability to stop this earlier then they were either negligent or incompetent.
True, but at least they have to ask for the data now. Before they could just go digging through it.
Who is to say they still can't. With getting all tinfoil hat about it the only thing we have is Google's word on the matter. That's pretty thin.
True, but at least they have to ask for the data now. Before they could just go digging through it.
Who is to say they still can't. With getting all tinfoil hat about it the only thing we have is Google's word on the matter. That's pretty thin.
Meh, I suspect that if that were their attitude they wouldn't have drawn attention to the issue at all. They were the ones who made a big deal of the government snooping their dedicated lines.
Meh, I suspect that if that were their attitude they wouldn't have drawn attention to the issue at all.
Sure they would. They need to assure people, particularly outside the US, that they aren't the US government's sock puppet to make their business look credible. Google has ambitions outside the US you know plus they need to present a good face to their current customers so they don't go elsewhere. Though in reality it probably isn't that simple, you can explain all their actions purely in terms of profit motive. Google is trying to do just enough rather than take the painful step of actually doing the right thing. "Don't be evil" isn't the same thing as "go fight evil".
They were the ones who made a big deal of the government snooping their dedicated lines.
Kind of low hanging fruit there. It's like discovering that the NSA has bugged your bedroom. Frankly that is kind of the least of the problems.
I believe that Google has probably fixed most of the technical issues that allowed NSA (and presumably others) to eavesdrop on data in their systems.
But a company with the size and scope of Google must be *riddled* with agents of various national intelligence services, not to mention corporate spies. Think about how many engineers they have hired and acquired in the last ten years. They are a big, juicy target for espionage. As is Amazon, Microsoft, Dropbox, and any other global-scale cloud provider with thousands of corporate, education, and government accounts.
Systems can be made resistant to attack from without, but can they also be made resistant to attack from within? Not likely. How many people on Google's payroll are also on someone else's?