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Metadata and the Intrusive State

An anonymous reader writes with an excerpt from an intriguing article at TechDirt about the sometimes very low-tech methods of the East German Stasi. They may have been using more pencils than computers, but they were gathering information on their targets using the same kind of metadata whose significance the U.S. government has lately been downplaying: "They amassed dossiers on about one quarter of the population of the country during the Communist regime. But their spycraft — while incredibly invasive — was also technologically primitive by today's standards. While researching my book Dragnet Nation, I obtained the above hand drawn social network graph and other files from the Stasi Archive in Berlin, where German citizens can see files kept about them and media can access some files, with the names of the people who were monitored removed. The graphic shows forty-six connections, linking a target to various people (an 'aunt,' 'Operational Case Jentzsch,' presumably Bernd Jentzsch, an East German poet who defected to the West in 1976), places ('church'), and meetings ('by post, by phone, meeting in Hungary')."

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  1. Of course they were big on meta-data by unitron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Guilt by association was one of their primary tools.

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    1. Re:Of course they were big on meta-data by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2

      Just in case you didn't notice, metadata, as Pen Registers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_register) has been used in the US for decades and it was even ruled Constitutional by the SCOTUS in Smith v Maryland

      Just because _any_ intelligence organization is using a particular method does not mean that _all_ intelligence agencies are like the Stassi

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  2. While researching my book ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    While researching my book

    At least it's not another slashvertisement, then.

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  3. Great movie on the subject by suso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is a great movie that came out in 2006 called "The Lives of Others" that provides an account of the practices of the Stasi. It may not have been completely accurate, but its nevertheless a good insight into what it was like and a great movie overall.

  4. Who believe "just metadata" reassurances anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Assuming we even believe it's just metadata being gathered - what informed citizen actually believes it's a non-concern?

  5. Today's standards by peppepz · · Score: 2

    http://www.google.com/dashboar... draws a much more accurate depiction of every espect of my life, and it's just one piece of paper away from the government. Today the stasi espions would be unemployed.

  6. Re:Who believe "just metadata" reassurances anyway by BradMajors · · Score: 3, Informative

    Obama. Obama says we should not be concerned that the NSA is collecting all our metadata.

  7. Re:Who believe "just metadata" reassurances anyway by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Merry Old England would have rounded up the Founding Fathers using "just metadata" (who called whom, and when) and therefore they would have forbidden its collection to government without a proper warrant.

    The US concept of The People forming a government inherently distrusts those in power, so specifically grants limited powers. It's not a case of "well, WE will use it right!". The power itself is what's wrong.

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  8. Re:Who believe "just metadata" reassurances anyway by matfud · · Score: 2
  9. Re:I for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Fisted's law: when you compare a practice to the East German Stasi and your opponent thinks you're talking about Nazi Germany, your opponent is too young to know better. Aren't they cute?

  10. As easy as Matrix Multiplication. by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's a simple walkthrough of how easy social graph analysis is which demonstrates how invasive metadata is.

  11. Re:Who believe "just metadata" reassurances anyway by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2

    I think this completely nails the real agenda with the NSA.

    The status quo abuse by Multinationals to reduce labor costs and resource expenditures requires a guarantee that "we the people" don't get in the way of their agenda.

    The NSA is designed so that "no Founding Fathers" can ever spring up again in the USA.

    I'm waiting for some genetic engineering to make a more complacent America. Likely it won't be all bad -- your "calm genes" will also help you be "Roundup Ready". The poisons that take out trouble-making Americans and weeds won't be hurting you as much.

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  12. Re:Who believe "just metadata" reassurances anyway by RabidReindeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think by that logic, you could also argue that the Magna Carta was bad.

    It's quite possible that the more enlightened practices employed on the later colonial separations were influenced by both the example of what could happen when their separation was forbidden and by the model documents that the American revolution brought into being.

  13. Re:Who believe "just metadata" reassurances anyway by msk · · Score: 2

    The flip side of that will be . . . Reavers.