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Google Chairman on WhatsApp: $19 Bn For 50 People? Good For Them!

theodp writes "Speaking at an SXSW panel, Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt emphasized that Google is 'very, very worried' about the class tensions that underlie recent Bay Area protests, where high-salaried techies have driven up rents. 'Ninety-nine percent of people have seen no economic improvement over the last decade,' he said, adding that 'the data suggest that the problem gets worse' and will become the 'number one issue in democracies around the world.' Schmidt's solution to this displacement? Foster conditions — e.g., better education, looser immigration laws, and deregulation in strictly-controlled areas like energy and telecommunications — that encourage the creation of fast-growing startups ('gazelles') that generate lots of jobs. When interviewer Steven Levy noted 'gazelles' like the 50-employee WhatsApp which was acquired by Facebook for a reported $19 billion seem to lead to more inequality, Schmidt brushed aside the apparent contradiction. 'Let us celebrate capitalism,' the tax-us-if-you-can Schmidt said, opening his arms. '$19 billion for 50 people? Good for them.' Eric, meet Tom."

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  1. Read between the lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their solutions are not focused on getting higher paying jobs for the "99%." They are focused on lowering the amount they have to pay for their own talent.

    Any time a company starts talking about deregulation and loosening immigration laws, it's french for "make our labor cheaper."

    1. Re:Read between the lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Schmidt is a big friend of the "do as I say, not as I do crowd." They want higher taxes for everyone except themselves. Hypocrites.

    2. Re:Read between the lines by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Any time a company starts talking about deregulation and loosening immigration laws, it's french for "make our labor cheaper."

      Just curious, when they start talking about better education, what is that french for?

      It's one of those classic tricks where you make multiple suggestions and some of them are reasonable and a couple of them are offensive in the hope that the reasonableness of the reasonable suggestions cloaks the chutzpah the offensive suggestions.

    3. Re:Read between the lines by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Insightful

      when they start talking about better education, what is that french for?

      "Better education" is French for "red herring".

      Of course everybody wants better education, but that doesn't mean education is what's causing increased income disparity. It also doesn't mean poor education is the source of any supposed shortage of STEM workers. STEM people mostly come from the better educated range of our populace. There is no shortage of such people, and we have some of the best universities in the world to educate them. The actual education problem is with those who are not in the upper range. While praising Finnish education, and their results in international tests, they overlook that serving the less well performing students is the great emphasis of Finnish education.

      It's also a regional issue in the US. For example, Massachusetts if judged by itself ranks right up there with the vaunted Asian countries, and yes that includes poor kids in Boston and whatnot.

      Lastly, the nice thing about blaming education is that you can say that if we fix the education in this country, it will still take at least 10 years to bear fruit. Therefore we need interim measures, like increased H-1B quotas. Did you think it's a coincidence that pro-H-1B outfits like fwd.us are linked to silly things like "hour of code"?

    4. Re:Read between the lines by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the bright side they actually write decent useful code during those three hours. France has higher hourly per capita productivity than the US. Their lower GDP per capita is because they work fewer hours. You can debate how many hours people should work (I actually lean towards US style) but there is no doubt that there is plenty of good work done in France.

      Full disclosure: I also like some of their moldy cheeses, but am adverse to a language that lacks consonants.

    5. Re:Read between the lines by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I moved to Europe from America and was shocked when *GASP* people didn't work 60 hour weeks, took 25 vacation days a year (yes 5 weeks!), in many cases worked on an 80% schedule, and *SHOCKING* enjoy a beer at lunch from time to time.

      Even more shocking, as far as I could tell, my colleagues in my new European office were as productive (or more so) than my American counterparts (doing the same job).

      Then I went to Asia and was AMAZED at the hours people work especially when I realized the amount of work actually getting done.

      The truth is, people can't work straight like robots. The more they work, the more small breaks they take during the day (my favorite time waster in america was the i'm-lonely-let's-have-a-meeting meeting). And if you are actually rested, you are much more productive.

    6. Re:Read between the lines by FuzzNugget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called the "anchoring effect"

    7. Re:Read between the lines by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      His quote of:

      Schmidt's solution to this displacement? Foster conditions â" e.g., better education, looser immigration laws, and deregulation in strictly-controlled areas like energy and telecommunications

      Ok..how will loosening up immigration to allow foreign nationals to drive wages lower in pretty much all sectors help conditions?

      I was with him up until that part.

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  2. Economics of envy by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When interviewer Steven Levy noted 'gazelles' like the 50-employee WhatsApp which was acquired by Facebook for a reported $19 billion seem to lead to more inequality, Schmidt brushed aside the apparent contradiction.

    50 people getting a split of $19b is seen as a bad thing because it "increases inequality". Why? Would the rest of the area be better off if those 50 people were still poor? It was a transfer of wealth from Facebook's war chest to 50 individuals - the money wasn't taken from the rest of the population. Surely the measure of increasing prosperity should be how much your buying power has grown, rather than the fact that someone down the street's buying power increased more than yours.

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  3. looser immigration laws by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "looser immigration laws"

    No you clown, that's most of the reason wages in the US have stagnated in the first place. Supply and demand. If you supply more labor the equilibrium price will fall.

  4. Labor rates have to be competitive to get work by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's well-established by now that one of the most significant factors in destroying the lives of the unskilled and semi-skilled workers across the country has been the influx of similar immigrants from around the world.

    Bullshit it's "well-established". What you are talking about is essentially a subsidy to labor by limiting the size of the labor pool. Limit supply and prices for the labor and every product that labor produces has to rise. Make labor cost more and you will pay more for the results of that labor. What you are forgetting is that we are in a GLOBAL economy. There are very few unskilled jobs that cannot be done elsewhere. Limit the supply of labor in the domestic market and much of that production will migrate elsewhere. If labor costs are too high relative to those available elsewhere then labor-intensive work will migrate to areas with lower labor costs like osmosis. Try to stop it and you will only drive prices higher and hurt the economy in the long run.

    Here's how you enact a sensible immigration policy. You crack down on the employers of illegals such that no one will hire them.

    You think that is the basis for a "sensible" immigration policy? You think a police state is somehow a good thing? It's unenforceable at any reasonable economic or humanitarian cost. It drives up costs making it harder to compete globally. Furthermore it doesn't address why they are coming into the country in the first place. They come because there is work available. What you should worry about is not whether people are coming into the US illegally. What you should worry about is if they STOP coming to the US because that means there are some serious economic problems.

    hen, you only allow immigrants with provable skills to immigrate as singles or with their immediate family if they're married with children.

    How does this work with unskilled workers? You think those crops are going to pick themselves? There is lots of vital work that does not depend on skilled labor. Furthermore if a family wants to migrate to the US then that is not a bad thing. Who the hell are you to tell them they cannot come?

    That's just a recipe for waking up one day and finding a large ethnic enclave in an American city

    Oh so it's really about race. I get it. You don't want those brown people who don't speak English immigrating to the US. Never mind that your ancestors were immigrants too and probably came here illegally as well and probably lived in "a large ethnic enclave in an American city". It's not as if we asked the Native American population if it was ok if we moved in.

  5. Re:Startups Aren't Really Job-Creators In Practice by StandardCell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aggregating $19B in wealth in the hands of 50 people plus a handful of investors is indeed not the way to create jobs. It slows down the flow of money within the broader economy. I'm sure those $20M homes in Woodside and Los Altos Hills and Seacliff are worth every penny.

    These megadeals also have the effect of creating a startup lottery environment where anyone can put together a ten page business plan and the "trend du jour" and try to make out like bandits. This is what led to the first dotcom crash and will also eventually lead to the second crash at some point. Anyone who makes an alternative to this content with having the user watch ads in the background every ten app starts will murder Whatsapp because $0 is cheaper than $1.

    I think it's also important to note that Eric Schmidt wholeheartedly approves of this deal because I suspect he thinks it's to the ultimate detriment of Facebook, and a blessing \for Google in some ways. Much like unbridled immigration is to existing workers in this country for his business.