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Ask Slashdot: Will Older Programmers Always Have a Harder Time Getting a Job?

Theseuss writes "Given the strong youth culture associated with the modern day Silicon Valley startup scene, many times it falls to the 40-year-old programmer to prove that he can still use the newest up-and-coming technology. Yet the rate at which the tech sector is growing suggests that in 20 years there will be a an order of magnitude more 'old-hat' programmers in the industry. As such, do you think the cultural bias towards young programmers will change in the near future?"

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  1. Ignore Silicon Valley by turgid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ignore Silicon Valley.

    50 years ago it used to be a hot-bed of science and technological innovation. Now it is a magnet for designer coffee-swigging social cloud blog web 2.0 get rich quick smartphone app hipsters.

    Look for real companies designing and building real products for proper customers. Silicon Valley's day is gone.

    1. Re:Ignore Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh dear. Sorry you couldn't find a job.

    2. Re:Ignore Silicon Valley by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The "real company" I work for (which makes boring-as-shit medical billing software) is in Atlanta, and the programmers seem to be pretty evenly distributed in age from 20s to 50s. I'm sure similar companies exist in every decently-sized US city except maybe for the Bay Area and Manhattan.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  2. Re:False premise by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also, older workers have higher costs for medical and sick leave and are more often injured on the job.

    Oh for crying out loud, he wants to be a programmer ... do you know of a single job related injury of a programmer that didn't involve something involving a nomination in a non-fatal Darwin-award category (like chair races)? A freak mouse accident in which someone lost fingers? The coke machine falling on you?

    Finally, who wants to hire somebody they know won't be working more than a few more years?

    Ever heard the joke about the two bulls on the hill, and one says "hey, let's run down and fsck one of them cows"?

    Sometimes experience and having learned some mistakes along the way can be very valuable, because not all of the kiddies have learned these things.

    Kids straight of school may churn out large quantities of code and do cool things. But they also haven't yet learned all of the reasons for doing things with caution and diligence and all of the things which come with having spectacular failures.

    Eventually, your skillset becomes more valuable for your breadth of experience and knowledge, than your specific ability to code.

    For the poster, I would suggest that either you tough it out, or recognize that your ability to provide adult supervision and a longer view might be more valuable to companies (and in the long run you).

    At a certain point, if you look like you're just gonna hang on in the corner doing the same old thing until you retire, your company might decide to get rid of you. I know people who started as Help Desk grunts, and have moved on to become Directors of entire departments, because they were smart, learned stuff, and became responsible adults. I don't know many programmers in their 50s who have done nothing but.

    I'm in your cohort, give or take a little, there is life after programming. These days, organizations have more of an "up or out" mentality.

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    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  3. Re:Experience Matters But So Does Price by dave562 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Reach up and touch that glass ceiling. Caress it. Press your face up against it.

    Then realize that you are putting it there.

    I hate office politics and nonsense myself. I also realized that I was never going to make the salary that I wanted if I remained a sysadmin / engineer. Now I manage a team of DevOps guys and mentor their professional development. My goal is to give everyone of them the experience and potential to operate at my level, either when I move up, or when they get tired of working for me / the company and want to go somewhere else.

    If you have not read The 48 Laws of Power, I highly suggest it. There is a quote in there, "Either you are playing the game, or you are a pawn in it." It is a harsh view of reality, but it is also inescapable. Either you take control of your own career and move up, or you end up reporting to people who are more ambitious than you are. In my situation, I had to do it out of self preservation. I cannot work for incompetent people, it drives me insane. So I out perform them, make sure that everyone sees what my contributions are, and accept the fact that I cannot succeed on my own.

    That last piece is the most important. At the end of the day, you can only do so much as an individual. There is only so much that a single person can contribute to the organization. To be truly valuable, you have to be able to guide others and help a team collaborate to achieve a goal. As a programmer, if your code is so damn good that it belongs in a textbook, then you should be mentoring other programmers and helping them become better at what they do. If you are so fed up with politics and nonsense, you owe it to your organization to show them how to get things done, without resorting to all of that nonsense. Anybody can gripe about how things suck. Very few can provide alternatives.

  4. oddly, programmers more injury prone than firefigh by raymorris · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where I work, we have several divisions.
    One division trains firefighters and EMS. We have an incredible training facility, so not only do we teach Firefighter I, we also train veteran firefighters on extra-hazardous stuff like oil refinery fires. They also teach search and rescue in our rubble piles and collapsing buildings.

    Another division trains cops, tactical drivers, etc. That division includes an on-staff sniper.

    A third trains people to work on high voltage electric lines.

    Then there is my division, "administration". We're the IT people, bookkeepers, etc who keep the agency running. Guess which division had the worst safety record last year. Yep, us nerds. For my employer, the people clicking a mouse had more injuries than the people putting out big fires, crawling under collapsed structures, or performing dynamic entries (seat raids).

    Yes, we nerds are suitably embarrased by this fact.