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Debian Considering Long Term Support for Squeeze
Via Bits from Debian, comes news that the security team is considering adding a Long Term Support suite for Squeeze (Debian 6) after Jessie (Debian 8) is released sometime next year. From the mailing list post:
"At the moment it seems likely that an extended security support
timespan for squeeze is possible. The plan is to go ahead, sort out
the details as as it happens, and see how this works out and whether
it is going to be continued with wheezy.
The rough draft is that updates will be delivered via a separate
suite (e.g. squeeze-lts), where everyone in the Debian keyring can
upload in order to minimise bottlenecks and allow contributions by
all interested parties. Some packages will be exempted upfront due
to their volatile nature (e.g. some web applications) and others
might be expected to see important changes. The LTS suite will be
limited to amd64 and i386. The exact procedures will be sorted out
soon and announced in a separate mail. ... It needs to be pointed out that for this effort to be sustainable
actual contributions by interested parties are required. squeeze-lts
is not something that will magically fall from the sky. If you're
dependent/interested in extended security support you should make an
effort to contribute."
If successful, the LTS idea would possibly be carried over to Wheezy. With all of the changes coming in Jessie and its aggressive release schedule, this sysadmin really likes the idea of having a bit more breathing room for updating infrastructure between releases. The email also contains a bunch of other info on changes coming to the security process.
In related news, the Debian Installer team announced the first alpha of debian-installer for Jessie. Just the installer, not the distro as a whole (Jessie will be frozen in November). XFCE remains the default desktop, ia64 was kicked out of the archive, and a few new ARM variants are supported.
In related news, the Debian Installer team announced the first alpha of debian-installer for Jessie. Just the installer, not the distro as a whole (Jessie will be frozen in November). XFCE remains the default desktop, ia64 was kicked out of the archive, and a few new ARM variants are supported.
I feel a song coming on!
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Is it the release name?
Yes, it is a release name for the Debian Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/releases...
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
It used to be that people would joke about the geological time interval required to produce new Debian versions. Now things are moving so fast, it's considering LTS.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
You might wanna try wheezy (7) - the suspend works out of the box on my old (PII) hardware.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
Relevant, Debian's timeline:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Timeline
All my VPN devices and routers are built on Squeeze, and while it's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things to upgrade, I'd prefer with devices that sit on a shelf and just work unattended for months on end to stick with stable configurations. I'm using Wheezy on my VM hosts, and have had no problems with them, but particularly with devices running at remote locations, I admit to a bit more paranoia and skepticism.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
[...] but particularly with devices running at remote locations, I admit to a bit more paranoia and skepticism.
Reminds me of upgrading a famous rpm-based distro in the nineties, it ended more often than not with a fresh install.
I find Debian's upgrades to be painless. Last week I upgraded remote servers (sitting in another country) to Wheezy; the whole process went so smooth it was nearly disappointing. These servers have now survived a few Debian release upgrades without ever seeing a remote hand.
Every Debian I've used in the last several years just plain worked. Back to 4.0/Etch, which marked the beginning of my interest in Linux and my early distro hopping days.
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however the article is correct. the title itself makes it pretty obvious that squeeze is a release of debian (why else should it get long term support?) AND the article explicitly relates it to the release number (debian 6). and anyway, if you don't already know what "squeeze" means in the context of debian, why should you bother to read articles about debian at all, let alone coment on them?
please improve your trolling or refrain. this is pathetic. you are smudging the illustrous name of anonymous coward!
I was sitting on Kubuntu for years before I jumped to Debian Testing with KDE. Those upgrades were anything but painless. Circular dependencies, broken audio, etc... Basically it was hell. Debian is much better.
As a bonus with Ubuntu deciding to switch to systemd with Debian there isn't really much of a difference between Kubuntu and Debian KDE Testing.
So lets pretend that we've just completed writing this code, as opposed to having just completed sabotaging it -Altera
I've had the odd problem. A Grub update once went awry and there were a few minutes of panic while I had to reinstall the bootloader. Another fun one was a change to the Debian KVM permissions model which meant none of my guests could start. The solution was simply to reinstall the QEMU/KVM packages, but still, it was rather irritating.
Since then I've been a lot more cautious with critical hardware. Debian is great, but there are still risks to just assuming painless upgrades. My policy these days is to try very hard to leave servers at current OS versions until replacement or reinstall.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Yep, Woody was very difficult to set up. At that point, Linux didn't auto-detect much of your hardware, so you had to go through a lot of configuration to get X working. Woody was about where I started, and the release before it was even worse. Fortunately, the following release (Sarge) was dramatically easier, as was the release after that, which I believe was Etch. Since Etch, it has been very straightforward to set up Debian. Obviously there are still things to learn if you're new to Linux, but the out-of-the-box experience is very nice now. Still, Debian still has a bit of a reputation for being hard to install, based on the difficulty people were having with it 10+ years ago.
I'm an old timer, and have been around so long that I want to be sure of something. When you say PII, do you mean Pentium II or Phenom II? I've seen that used for both.
I've always been kind of confused by statements like that. "Just plain worked". The implication is that others don't just plain work. Well, what does debian not do that others do that make them not just plain work?
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
i too started with woody and never had a problem apart from having to install nvidia driver and a bit of x configuring. it wasn't really that hard and there was more than enough help available on the net, just the frequent kernel recompiling was a bit annoying. maybe it's that my requirements were just that modest, but i'm very grateful that there are still solid and reliable linux distros around like debian. cutting edge fancy distros are nice too but they tend to rot (see ubuntu) and fortunately when that happens you can always return to debian. long life! love it.
You think Debian, circa 2002-2003 was bad? you shoulda tried Slackware back around 1995 or so.. Umptysquat floppy disks, handediting ALL the config files for EVERYTHING.. Since most of the time I was building a server to run ftpd or httpd, I didn't bother messing with XFree86 and its mindnumbing configuration... Today's Linux is da BOMB!!
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Slackware had the X configuration script, but I never managed to get the config to work without further editing. I always loved selecting monitor settings with the ominous message that I could cook my monitor if I got it wrong.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
they test.
Pentium II.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
From the FOSS choices, don't you still have FreeBSD as far as Itanium goes? I'd think that even 10 supports it
My wife has a desktop with Debian 6 installed and it's nothing but trouble, crashes, dropped Internet connection, etc. What really sucks about it is that she likes to stay up late playing Tux Racer and whenever something goes wrong she wakes me up out of a good rest to fix it!
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tl; dr: Momma's got a Squeeze box, Daddy never sleeps at night
Isn't that what oldstable is for?
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It was an illusion to Toy Story's closing credits.
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the equivalent of "other's" release is debian's "testing" release. it only becomes the official "stable" release when enough testing has been done and it's deemed stable and mature. that's why debian avoids lots of integration problems other distros suffer and why you might say it "just plain works" in comparision: because it's way more tested.
this was implicit in the answer if you had made use of a couple of neurons. and of course if you'd really wanted to know, you could as well have read it off the debian homepage where it is clearly explained, instead of displaying you utter ignorance and calling others BS just because of your own mental laziness (or because you enjoy being a dick, be my guest).
Yeah, I'm aware it was even worse in the 90's.
the thing is nobody is trying to sell you anything, here. debian is a gift for you from a dedicated community, but i couldn't care less if you use it or not or prefer another distro or even some propietary product of your liking (talking about scam ads!). the simple idea that someone is trying to "sell" you "debian" is absurd. of course there will be always fanboyism but this is rare for debian in my humble experience.
"just works" is subjective. it describes well my experience with debian (as compared with other distros/oses), but then it's also very vague. for someone else it can mean an easy peasy install out of the box and voilà, there you have your mediacenter running, regardless of the fact that you have to reinstall everything months later because the system "just chokes" or "crawls" or got compromised. for me it means you have a consistent system where you (the user) are in control and that behaves as expected over time. this you only get from systems where reliability is a priority and thus enforce rigurous release methods and policies. this is naturally incompatible with release rush pressure, feature races or marketing fluff of any sort. well, debian is such a system, built for reliability, to "just work". of course not the only one but one of the most prominent examples today indeed.