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Jimmy Wales To 'Holistic Healers': Prove Your Claims the Old-Fashioned Way

Barence (1228440) writes with this excerpt from PC Pro: "Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales has issued a sharp response to petitioners calling for his site to "allow for true scientific discourse" on holistic healing. The petition, currently running on the Change.org site, claims that much of the information on Wikipedia relating to holistic approaches to healing is "biased, misleading, out of date, or just plain wrong". It has attracted almost 8,000 supporters at the time of publication. Wales's response to the petition, posted on the same page, is far from conciliatory: 'No, you have to be kidding me,' he writes. 'Every single person who signed this petition needs to go back to check their premises and think harder about what it means to be honest, factual, truthful. What we won't do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of 'true scientific discourse'. It isn't.'"

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  1. Tapas Acupressure Technique by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mmmm... Tapas!

  2. Re:Wikipedia ruined the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well at least you can still use the internet to whine about the internet. So stand proud that the big bad sites haven't taken that away from you yet!

  3. Re:Seems like a fine line by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anecdote, n.: An observation that supports the other guy's hypothesis.

  4. Wikipedia...wrong? No! by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> claims that much of the information on Wikipedia relating to (whatever) is "biased, misleading, out of date, or just plain wrong"

    Er...no shit? Personally, I subscribe to this view: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

  5. Don't knock my favorite yogi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    My favorite yogi taught me that it ain't over until it's over, and that it's deja vu all over again.

  6. Okay by StripedCow · · Score: 2, Funny

    The placebo effect is well known in medicine.
    By using common sense, Jimmy Wales is taking away placebos that were actually effective!
    Hence, his actions are detrimental to medicine.

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  7. Re:Asimov quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see that Isaac Asimov had trouble with Unicode too, just like Slashdot.

  8. Re:Wikipedia ruined the internet by gnick · · Score: 5, Funny

    All of the information on Wikipedia is "plagiarized" by design; it's not a place for original research it's an encyclopedia.[1]

    1. ^aAnonymous Coward

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  9. Voodoo by bradgoodman · · Score: 4, Funny
    I often practice Voodoo to rid myself of evil spirits. Wikipedia has been very biased against all the scientific research of the efficacy of voodoo for such purposes. (I challenge you to scientifically prove that I have any evil spirits [anymore]).

    Wake up Wikipedia!!

  10. Re:You know what they call alternative medicine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    So far, not one has been shown to do anything because it's all the placebo effect which has been demonstrated in numerous studies.

    Talk about hoist by your own petard. The placebo effect has been proven to work, so if alternative medicines rely on it, then they are scientifically proven to work.

    Given that the placebo effect exists, don't you think it would it make sense that we'd have a branch of medicine which attempted to trigger it, especially when all other interventions have failed?

    That branch is called alternative medicine and by your own admission it works as well as a real placebo. If we had a proven medicine for all known diseases and conditions, there would be no need for this branch of medicine, but we don't.

    God, nerds can be so dumb sometimes.

  11. Re:You know what they call alternative medicine... by crashcy · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the best argument in favor of your treatment is that it works as well as nothing, which is totally proven to work, sometimes?

  12. Re:Asimov quote. by QilessQi · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, it's just that, â, Issac Asimov really did, â, stammer and clear his throat a lot, âoe, when, â, he said this.

  13. Re:The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data' by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Funny

    An anecdote serves, at best, a rough start in forming a hypothesis. But an anecdote is utterly useless outside of that context.

    My grandfather used anecdotal evidence every day, and he lived to be 95!

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  14. Re:You know what they call alternative medicine... by Jmc23 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and the supposedly 'smart' 'educated' people lose a cheap treatment method because they've got a stick up their assumptions.

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  15. Re: Wikipedia ruined the internet by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Funny

    > and the anti-vaxxers that won't accept any level of evidence.

    OMG What year is it? People are still talking about Vaxes in 2014? When was the last one even rolled out? Shit, I almost took one home from a scrap heap... 14 years ago.

    My god let VMS die already.

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  16. Re:Wikipedia ruined the internet by Alsee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slashdot is not a reliable source.
    I'll give you a few days to find a better source, or I'm going to revert.

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