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CISPA's Author Has Another Privacy-Killing Bill To Pass Before He Retires

Daniel_Stuckey writes: "You might remember House Intelligence Chair Mike Rogers, a Republican from Michigan, from his lovely, universally-hated CISPA cybersecurity bill that would have allowed nearly seamless information sharing between companies and the federal government. You might also remember him from his c'est la vie attitude towards civil liberties in general. Well, we've got some good news and some bad news: Rogers announced today that he won't seek re-election and is instead retiring from politics to start a conservative talk radio show on Cumulus. The bad news? He's got at least one terrible, civil liberties-killing bill to try to push through Congress before he goes. Like CISPA, the newly introduced 'FISA Transparency and Modernization Act,' seeks to make it easier for the federal government to get your information from companies."

138 comments

  1. motive = results guaranteed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the bleeding must stop before the healing can begin.. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=disarmament&sm=3

    1. Re: motive = results guaranteed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What job does he have waiting for him? He could be worse on the outside and invisible. Clearly he's pushing these bill for SOMEONE, but for who and why?

  2. Good Riddance... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    â¦I'll be SOOO happy to see this privacy hating fuck-tard off of the sunday morning shows.

    I just hope the voters in his Dist. see fit to vote for someone that believes more in the constitution.

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    1. Re:Good Riddance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      he is proof that just because you are republican doesn't mean you aren't a shitty liberal.

    2. Re:Good Riddance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he is proof that just because you are republican doesn't mean you aren't a shitty liberal.

      He's conservative, not liberal.

      In the US you have 2 choices: Authoritarian 'Conservatives' or Authoritarian 'Liberals'. They're all fucktards.

    3. Re:Good Riddance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without bullets there will always be another to take his place.

    4. Re:Good Riddance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your input citizen. We have sent a patrol car to your place of residence to further monitor...your safety.

      We value you as a customer,
      Verizon/AT&T/Comcast/TimerWarner/.../

  3. Republican by RoccamOccam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A Republican, you say? So we're back to posting party affiliations prominently in the summaries?

    1. Re:Republican by JDAustin · · Score: 2

      Only if their a Republican...

      Seriously though, as a Republican (by convenience), I say good riddance. It's a chance to replace a establishment republican with someone who cares more then just about the control of the committees...

    2. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right, he's a conservative, Republican and former FBI employee. That should complete the description of his politics enough to let anyone understand that his motivations should be questionable if you want to see your civil liberties protected.

    3. Re:Republican by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Damn right! The republicans are always clamoring for "limited" government. We should hold them to it.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Worked for the FBI and now a politician...has this dude ever worked in the private sector in his life? Gotta love these loser Republicans who spend their whole life sucking the tax payer titty and then wanna talk about small government and shit. fuck. off.

    5. Re:Republican by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but how would such a person get on the ballot?

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    6. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Troll"

      Whoops! A republican was offended by that. Easy to understand why...

    7. Re:Republican by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems merely informative to me.

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    8. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn right! The republicans are always clamoring for "limited" government.

      They only want 'limited' on things that sound like socialism -- you know, you how maintain a society.

      For things like the army, or surveillance, or ensuring that their buddies at the golf course get the monopolies entrenched and copyright extended indefinitely ... then Republicans basically spend like drunken monkeys.

      If it benefits big business, they'll roll over for it. If it benefits the poor or the working class, it is therefore 'evil'.

      The fact their claims about trickle down economics haven't had any of the benefits they claim it will means that Republicans are either delusional, or know damned well they're taking the rest of the country for a ride.

      Because they damned sure don't have a clue about what actually does help improve the economy.

    9. Re:Republican by lgw · · Score: 1

      The tea party successfully primaried-out some long-standing incumbents. While I fear they're being fully absorbed by the establishment, it shows it's possible.

      Really, democracy works great for things the voters care about. The modern obstacle to democracy is the modern governments full focus over keeping the voters complacent at all costs. This is why I fear we'll have an entitlement bubble - we could have begun a soft landing a few years back, but hey, there's no crisis, right? Only a big greedy meanie would suggest reducing spending when the world won't end tomorrow if you don't! It will be a hard landing now, I fear.

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    10. Re:Republican by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Easy. Simply have enough people sign the petition. Nobody can legally stop you.

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    11. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly, but some people don't want you to be informed. It puts the entire system at risk. Posting party affiliation is very useful. It makes it easier to spot the bullshitters.

      I decided to post anonymously because too many moderators (republican apparently) are abusing their privileges and are mod bombing me. So fuck them

    12. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because someone who is anti gun is hardly ever a republican, while someone who is supporting a big government regulation on freedoms needs clarification or else this section would be filled with baseless claims on his representation.

    13. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... seriously, learn the fucking language.

      That's what I keep telling the wetbacks down at the convenience store when they ask me something in spanish.

      You fucking elitist.

    14. Re:Republican by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      If by "hard landing" you mean "civil war", I agree with you.

      It's time to start stockpiling the essentials.

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    15. Re:Republican by DoubleJ1024 · · Score: 1

      Love your sig. line.

    16. Re:Republican by DoubleJ1024 · · Score: 0

      I am a conservative but would have voted to put you as informative should you have posted under your own name. but as you are AC I will put a response.

    17. Re:Republican by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      So you support the Tea Party and Libertarian wings of the Republican party, right?

      Yeah, I didn't think so. You guys are so predictable. You keep saying you want 'principled Republicans' and 'loyal opposition', but you can't stand anyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint. You only want Republicans who are yes-men to your wildest ramblings. And you think others don't notice it.

      We just usually ignore your idiocy, because it's not worth the hassle of pointing out the hypocrisy and deceit.

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    18. Re:Republican by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      :-) Your nick is very appropriate

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    19. Re:Republican by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Well, thank you. However, I have no idea what you mean by that.

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      If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
    20. Re:Republican by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Well the most polite, family safe word I can toss out is your naiveté. It matches. I suppose innocence might work also. Either way, you previous post was a laugh riot. You seem to have quite a grasp of all the internet memes and cliches. And you really know how to misread. And to be truthful you didn't make any sense. You just sound like a grumpy, senile old man on a rant because he can't find his dentures. Hint: look in the fridge, right next to your reading glasses.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    21. Re:Republican by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see if I can figure out what you mean. Your post I responded to was this:

      Damn right! The republicans are always clamoring for "limited" government. We should hold them to it.

      This is usually the rallying cry for liberals/leftists/Democrats/whatever-label-you-choose-to-use.

      There are many similar posts across all the blogs and message boards I read. The general sense one gets from reading similar posts is that the person (I will use the label "liberal" hereafter, but see the list above) wishes the Republicans would act according to their stated interest in small government. However that liberal also realizes that in the real world, the Republicans are pushing for a larger and stronger government, both at the federal and state levels. So, the interpretation is that the liberal would support a bona fide conservative-small-government Republican, at least in the sense of honestly debating him and recognizing his right to his own beliefs even though they are different than the liberal's beliefs.

      Therefore, I posted the rhetorical question:

      So you support the Tea Party and Libertarian wings of the Republican party, right?

      I then assumed you response would be in the negative, and give my response to that:

      Yeah, I didn't think so.

      Now, why (you may ask yourself) am I so sure of your answer, having only seen a few of your posts here on Slashdot? How can I presume to know what is in your heart? That is explained in the next sentence of my initial post.

      You guys are so predictable.

      Again, I have seen your rhetoric in many forums from many users, and have analyzed what it actually means. The analysis is based on actually drawing out further statements from the liberal posters, and also using statements liberal posters made in other threads within a forum.

      From reading several posts of yours, to ascertain if I happened to overlook something in your initial post above, I have confirmed you fall in line with the common liberal ranter who bemoan the lack of 'genuine conservatives' in the Republican party. You can't stand the fact that 'genuine conservatives' exist. Actually, you don't accept the fact that genuine conservatives exist. You feel they are all fakes who want to use the government to discriminate against your recognized protected classes.

      Now, you may be assuming that I place all liberals into the same category, but that isn't the case. I have conversed with many liberals who do not use this false sincerity gambit. Some of them do genuinely wish there were more 'loyal opposition' in the Republican party, as opposed to power-grubbing weasels. They actually want people who don't share their views to be represented. Other liberals don't want any genuine conservative at all in elected office, and state it clearly. They hate the fact that people who have power to make law don't think exactly like they do. Of those two groups, my view of government is in line with the first one, and you have shown in many posts that your view is line with the second one.

      This is the root of why I said I have no idea why my nickname, I'm New Around Here, is appropriate. Despite the sound of it, I have been having these discussions with people from all political and social backgrounds for a couple decades. I can tell when someone is being sincere, which most people are. I certainly have your angle figured out. It's the same as the last half dozen people I've told basically the same thing to over the years. Both online, and in real life.

      Really, I'm not even telling it to you, since you know all this. I'm actually telling everyone who reads your posts what you will act like in your discussions. Some of them actually believe you are sincere in your desire to have genuine conservative, small-government Republicans elected to office. They will spend a lot of time debating you, only to have you throw their arguments away and call them racists and b

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      If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
    22. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worked for the FBI and now a politician...has this dude ever worked in the private sector in his life? Gotta love these loser Republicans who spend their whole life sucking the tax payer titty and then wanna talk about small government and shit. fuck. off.

      Democrats are much more likely to bet that kind of loser than Republicans. So if you hate that, you should hate Democrats more than Republicans.

    23. Re:Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For things like the army, or surveillance, or ensuring that their buddies at the golf course get the monopolies entrenched and copyright extended indefinitely ... then Republicans basically spend like drunken monkeys. If it benefits big business, they'll roll over for it. If it benefits the poor or the working class, it is therefore 'evil'.

      What are you talking about? Democrats are heavily into extending copyrights and having government sponsor monopolies. And Democrats don't to sh*t for "the working class" either.

      The fact their claims about trickle down economics haven't had any of the benefits they claim

      "Trickle down economics" is a propaganda lie created by Democrats.

      Furthermore, the benefits of lowering taxes are immediately obvious to people in the middle class: you pay thousands less in taxes. There is no need for anything to "trickle down".

    24. Re:Republican by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I like how someone described the Libertarians a few years ago.

      "I'd support the Libertarians, if they weren't all a bunch of whiny, bible-thumping, tax-dodgers."

      Despite accepting that as a generally accurate description, I support the Libertarian ideals. But I have never voted for anyone with an 'L' after their name, and can't say if I ever will.

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    25. Re:Republican by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Gym equipment? What a waste! If you want to keep in shape, build a house, break some rocks, plant some trees, pull a plow, do something useful. When I hear "gym" (outside of high school), I think "metrosexual" (too sexy for my shirt)..

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    26. Re:Republican by shizzle · · Score: 1

      Obviously you missed this, and in particular this. The issue is not that the party affiliation was identified, it's the apparent inconsistency of doing so, particularly when that inconsistency seems to have a partisan bias.

    27. Re:Republican by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Again, thanks for proving my point of your real intent.

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    28. Re:Republican by lgw · · Score: 1

      Heh, some "bunker builds" are all stockpiled out. One recent blog comment I read: "I'm done buying ammo. I have more than I can fire in my life, and it's starting to look like "Hoarders" around here".

      But I don't see it. In most states, state and local governments are fixing their financial problems and getting their act together. Since the federal government doesn't directly do much that's useful day-to-day, I think we'll be fine through a federal collapse and reboot. Police, fire, roads, schools, all of it could continue fine without the federal government for years.

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    29. Re:Republican by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Obviously you missed this [slashdot.org], and in particular this [slashdot.org].

      Wow, two links to the same single counter example, can't argue with that...

      particularly when that inconsistency seems to have a partisan bias.

      "Seems"? Based on two opposing recent examples and the general murmurings of a few?

      I'm not saying a bias won't be borne out by the facts - in fact it doesn't seem at all unlikely - but your argument could use some real numbers.

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    30. Re:Republican by shizzle · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's quite an overreaction. I posted the links not as a counterexample to prove a point, but as a pointer to the previous example and discussion (respectively) of the general topic, which was likely the context for the original comment above about how "we're back to posting party affiliations".

      If you'd actually bothered to read the comment thread at the second link, you'd find a much longer discussion with multiple examples (both pro and con), as well as instructions on how to find more examples via google.

      I have no intention of regenerating that discussion here. I was merely trying to be helpful by providing you with some context that you apparently were lacking.

    31. Re:Republican by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Ah, my bad - I was in a hasty mood and assumed, when you said "in particular this," and liked to a comment, that you were indicating only the initial comment, not the discussion which followed. In retrospect it did seem a bit odd...

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    32. Re:Republican by shizzle · · Score: 1

      No problem. Been there myself.

    33. Re:Republican by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      Posting party affiliation doesn't really help spot the bullshitters. There are bullshitter Republicans AND bullshitter Democrats.

      However, the poster who was complaining about posting party affiliation was complaining about how Slashdot tends to only use the party label when a Democrat does "good things*" or a Republican does "bad things*." Democrats doing "bad things" and Republicans doing "good things" don't get a party label.

      When a serious organization does this over time, this leads to the perception that "Democrats are the party that do "good things"" and "Republicans are the party that do "bad things."" Which, of course, is itself bullshit.

      Slashdot is NOT a serious organization. I think they label Democrat "good things" and Republican "bad things" but leave party labels off the reverse because that will antagonize posters, who will then post a bunch of arguments back and forth. EXACTLY like this thread. All this means is more ad dollars for Dice.

      If Slashdot wanted to be taken seriously, they would put a party label on every politician on first reference. Sadly, they don't.

      *By good things and bad things, I mean "popularity among the Slashdot groupthink." On technology vs. business issues (like this bill) most of Slashdot will come down pretty clearly on one side, even if the bill is popular among the population as a whole. Obviously, on issues like "Is it OK for politicians to sell Russian weapons to terrorists," Slashdot groupthink is pretty in line with the population as a whole.

  4. Nice Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Wow that's not a biased summary or anything. I had to check and make sure I wasn't over on MSNBC when I read this.

    1. Re:Nice Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, the rightwing party proposes a fascist law, damn, that's shocking, must be media bias!

    2. Re:Nice Summary by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, the rightwing party proposes a fascist law, damn, that's shocking, must be media bias!

      It is, because it ignores the fact that members of the "leftwing party" also propose (and vote for) fascist laws all.

      The.

      Time.

      Intellectual dishonesty at best, outright propaganda at worst.

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    3. Re:Nice Summary by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just remember - you need both a left wing and a right wing to make the turkey fly.

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    4. Re:Nice Summary by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Just remember - you need both a left wing and a right wing to make the turkey fly.

      Ha; best summation of American politics.

      Ever.

      Of all time.

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    5. Re:Nice Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fly? Turkeys don't even land very softly. But you can use either hand to help them reproduce. Call it "sexual preference"

      Posting anonymously to keep the mod bombers away...

    6. Re: Nice Summary by TehZorroness · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is nothing socialist at all about a law making it mandatory to give our money to private insurance companies.

    7. Re: Nice Summary by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Or providing emergency medical services even when you haven't.

    8. Re:Nice Summary by blackest_k · · Score: 2

      As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly! :)

      keywords turkey helicopter and thanks giving if you don't get the reference.

    9. Re: Nice Summary by Holi · · Score: 1

      Well that is socialist, but wasn't that the way it used to be.

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    10. Re:Nice Summary by tragedy · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the left forcing a socialist "health" law down our throats?

      If only it actually were a socialist law. The big problem with the bill in question is that it's pretty much the exact same, essentially fascist, law originally proposed by the Republicans. If it were actually socialist it wouldn't shy away from the concept of a public option.

    11. Re:Nice Summary by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Thank you Les, for your on the spot coverage of today's horrendous catastrophe.

      (I loved that scene, and have quoted it a few times in other forums as well. ;^) )

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    12. Re:Nice Summary by artor3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Left wing party"? Since when does America have one of those?

      We've got the right-wing party, and the even-more-right-wing party.

    13. Re:Nice Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America does have a left and a right party, it's just the rest of the world has an extreme left and a left party

    14. Re:Nice Summary by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      hence the "scare" quotes.

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  5. Time to stomp FISA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's find every paper copy of this piece of shit and shove it back where it came from, up Mike Rogers' ass.

  6. Republican / Talk show host by QuasiSteve · · Score: 2

    Might as well - you know half the comments will be about party affiliation anyway, and then a bunch of comments will be about whether it's really this government's fault, or the one before it, etc.

    Also, while politicians are annoying, talk show hosts can be much worse. If successful, he could pollute, I mean sway, the mind of quite a few people and get his way in the end without needing to be a politician.

  7. I don't care about sharing information by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    It should flow freely. How people react and how they use it is a very different story.

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    1. Re:I don't care about sharing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you don't mind posting your CC numbers here, right? Because it's illegal for anyone else to use them it shouldn't matter to you.

    2. Re:I don't care about sharing information by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      That ruse doesn't work on me. Go find another corner to evangelize that nonsense.

      Aside from that, if I prevent you from using it, I would post it.

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    3. Re:I don't care about sharing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't care if the government violates your rights and the constitution? You only care about the real-world effects it has on you if they abuse these powers? Some priorities you have.

    4. Re:I don't care about sharing information by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      Aside from that, if I prevent you from using it, I would post it.

      This sounds like an admission that it is impossible to control how another person or organization uses information once they have it, but you apparently consider that control a necessary requirement for the open sharing of information proposed by Mr. Roger's law. The inability to actually control the use of information once shared or collected is exactly why so many people oppose such sharing.

      When you say "I don't care about sharing information; it should flow freely" you sound like you are in favor of sharing and collecting information among institutions, despite the fact that it is impossible to impose any controls more powerful than administrative and legal policy. It makes you look like a troll.

    5. Re:I don't care about sharing information by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...it is impossible to control how another person or organization uses information once they have it...

      Difficult, not impossible. Looks like we have a big job ahead of us. But since we don't have privacy, let's go for the next best thing, total transparency. Let's put the authorities into the same glass house they're putting us in.

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  8. FISA...transparency.... by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 2

    ....makes me giggle.

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    1. Re:FISA...transparency.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's completely reasonable; if it's perfectly transparent, when you try to examine it, the light passes straight through as if there were nothing there, and so you see nothing. Perfect concealment.

    2. Re:FISA...transparency.... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      ....makes me giggle.

      Why? The bill is all about transparency.

      Just not transparency for the government.

  9. Conservative?? by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Informative

    to start a conservative talk radio show

    It amazes me how, in this day and age, a demonstrably-fascist douchebag like this asshole can disguise his obvious big-government, Hamiltonian (i.e. classic textbook "liberal") nature by calling himself "conservative." Then again, considering how dumbed-down and ignorant the populace has become, I guess it should come as no surprise that the electorate (particularly the senile, white-haired contingent) has absolutely no idea what "conservative" is supposed to mean. Hint: it's correct usage (at least in America English; it has an altogether different meaning in the UK/Europe) implies that one is in favor of Jeffersonian ideals, which run completely counter to Alexander Hamilton's Federalist (i.e. "liberal") beliefs...

    1. Re:Conservative?? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      at least in America English

      That would be a typo (in case anyone was wondering). :p

    2. Re:Conservative?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain to me what "i.e." means, i.e. what "i.e." means.

    3. Re:Conservative?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I.e." stands for "id est," that is, "that is."

    4. Re:Conservative?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the latin "id est" or back into English "that/it is".

    5. Re:Conservative?? by whistlingtony · · Score: 1

      Hi!

      Can you explain what you said some more? When I think of Jefferson, frankly, he seemed like a giant lib (in the sense that it is used now) to me. I looked up Jeffersonian vs. Hamiltonian ideals, and ok, it seems Jefferson wanted more agrarian roots for the country and Hamilton wanted more manufacturing for the country. Jefferson wanted strong foreign policy but hands off domestic policy. Hamilton wanted a more English system, a stronger domestic government.

      Can you really pull these attitudes into today's conservative/liberal divides? The main question seems to be one of "do we want a strong central government?"

      Liberals hate big government when it's taking their taxes and dropping bombs on innocent brown people. Conservatives hate Big Government when it takes their taxes and uses them to ... give money to poor people? Both Conservatives and Liberals hate big government when it shields obviously crooked banks who fucked over our entire economy. Conservatives hate big government when it's engaged in crony capitalism, but their representatives do it anyway. :D Liberals hate big government when it's engaged in crony capitalism, and get pissed when their representatives do it anyway...

      Liberals love big government when it protects our health from baby food filled with lead or leaded gasoline driving us all slowly stupid, conservatives love big government when it's telling their neighbors not to do Icky Things in the bedroom.

      Ok, I'm stereotyping a bit, but my points are: 1) Both conservatives and liberals in this country hate big government. 2)Liberals just hate it for real reasons and know that it's essential to keep companies from poisoning us. 3) Cramming today's liberals and conservatives into straight Jeffersonian or Hamiltonian ideals doesn't work, and seems like just another labeling of Liberals as lovers of big government. Clearly, they are not.... Fuck Obama for the weak willed deal making empty promiser that he is. I'm pissed that my country is engaged in crony capitalism of the highest order. I want this shit reigned in. I'm pissed about the erosion of our civil rights by the TLAs (And I seem more pissed about it than my conservative friends). Etc etc etc..... All that being said, we NEED the EPA, OSHA, the FDA, etc. This doesn't make me a lover of big government. It makes me a realist on the underlying motivation of large corporations and the power needed to reign them in.

      Anyway... I think I just blathered a lot. I don't like you labelling Liberals as Hamiltonians. It's entirely possible that I misread you though. It's also entirely possible you misread every Liberal in the country. :D Please follow up.

    6. Re:Conservative?? by sadboyzz · · Score: 2

      Jefferson was much more Hamiltonian when he himself was in the presidential office. Just sayin'.

      "Ideals" and "beliefs" are mostly useful in getting the sheeples in line, because sadly for most people "ideals" and "beliefs" are much easier pills to swallow than facts and evidence. How many "ideals" and "beliefs" have we had throughout the centuries, and how much good has ever come out of those? Those great men who actually got things done and moved our society in a positive direction almost always compromised.

      Well, erm, so I guess my point is, it may be more constructive to critise a politician based on the actual issues, rather than painting him with a brush and attacking his "ideal".

    7. Re:Conservative?? by shizzle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was pretty blathery, not to mention one-sided. There's a lot I could disagree with, but the thing that sticks out the most is that you've provided no evidence that liberals hate big government. It's true that liberals hate some things that government does, like being the aggressor in a foreign war, or acting corruptly, but the general response from liberals is simply to make noise to try and get the government to stop doing things. But in general liberals see the government as a force for good, so more of it tends to be better, as long as the "right people" (i.e., other liberals) are in charge to prevent it from doing the things they don't like.

      In contrast, conservatives have a principled opposition to big government, in that they recognize that government will never completely stop doing bad things, and is in a uniquely coercive position to maximize the impact of those bad things (like putting you in jail if it doesn't like you), and thus the best way to limit the damage it does is to limit its size.

      Of course, the actions of politicians who claim the labels of "liberal" and "conservative" don't necessarily correlate with these positions, and the attitudes of individuals who label themselves as such (like yourself) may also differ. However, I believe these philosophical attitudes toward the size of government are much more in line with most people's views, as well as the common understanding of the terms, than the ones you put forth.

    8. Re:Conservative?? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      It could be like saying "at least in Spain Spanish" as opposed to phrasing it as "at least in Spanish Spanish".

      In a certain light, it makes more sense.

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    9. Re:Conservative?? by whistlingtony · · Score: 1

      That's a fair point. It might be better to say that Liberals want Correctly Sized government. I'm sorry, something like that is hard to prove. Hey, I'm a liberal, and here I am saying that our government has a problem. I DO see the government as a force for good, as long as it's properly managed by We The People. So... fair point. And yes, we need the right people in it. Obama's not the right people.... :D

      Liberals want the government around because it's necessary. I agree wholeheartedly that we could limit the bad things the government does if we made it small and weak. But then we'd lose the good things it does. :/ That's kind of the point, and I don't often hear conservatives say that. Really, I like safe food. I like safe water. I like sanitation. I like highways. I like consumer protection labs. I like that there's someone out there testing my baby's carseat. I like clean air. I like regulations on banks that (are supposed to) keep them from blowing our money on coke and whores. These things are NEEDED. We can't function without them. I've never ONCE seen a decent proposal from a conservative on how to manage our country without having the FDA, the EPA, etc etc etc.

      No, the free market doesn't magically fix everything. That's not a solution. That's a nice fantasy. Ahem. We just went through a housing boom and bust, right? There should be lots of houses on the market, driving prices down, right? Free Market, right? No. Banks are releasing them slowly to artificially boost the prices. Free Market my ass. :/

      What's that? State's rights? All that could be done at the state level? Maybe 100 years ago, when states were really seperate entities... They're rather not right now.

      Yes, I was blathery, and rather one sided. I can't help it. I think conservatives are foolish and simple. It's a nice idea. Hell, I like most libertarian ideals. But there are powerful people in the world who would sell your gramma lead sugar pills as cancer treatment if they could get away with it. What's going to stop them? /shrug.

      There are plenty of solutions that would help. We could move to a parlimentary system to make it easier for third parties to come in... but while I'm pulling magical solutions that will never come true out of my ass, I could just solve human greed too. :D

      Heh. Wolf-PAC.com. Get money out of politics. While we discuss it, I'm actually trying to fix it. :D

    10. Re:Conservative?? by shizzle · · Score: 1

      I'd say it's tautological to claim that liberals want "Correctly Sized government"... conservatives want that too, they just disagree on the correct size.

      I feel like you're arguing a fairly reasonable, seemingly moderate liberal position (presumably your own) against a totally extreme caricature of conservatism. I don't know of any conservatives that are in favor of unsafe food, or pollution, or consumer fraud, or not having highways or police, or anything like that. Most conservatives I know get particularly incensed about crony capitalism as well... that's a divide that's really "insiders vs. outsiders" not "liberal vs. conservative". You seem to be taking the position that, since conservatives generally want less government, they'd be happiest with zero government... but that's anarchy, and that's a totally different thing. And there are a few extremists that lean that way, but they're rare. It would be just as valid for me to say that, because liberals like government to do more, they'd be happiest if the government ran everything... but that's communism (or totalitarianism), and that's clearly not what you're supporting (though again, that's not to say there aren't some actual communists running around out there).

      It's not surprising that you see conservatives as "foolish and simple", when you misunderstand what conservatism is really about. Although, depending on where you get your impression of conservatives from, the misunderstanding is not surprising. Far too many people (and in particular the media and the politicians) are so into this "us vs. them" partisanship that they can't see that there are reasonable positions on both sides, along with more commonality than they'd like to believe. Your crony capitalism is a good example... I can't think of anyone who's not either a politician or a crony (or maybe a wannabe crony) that's actually in favor of that.

    11. Re:Conservative?? by whistlingtony · · Score: 1

      It is my own position, and those of most of the people I know. Yes... Those extreme caricatures do get us in trouble..... Ahem. cough cough.

      Conservatives like safe food, no pollution, no consumer fraud, etc etc etc... Yes. They do. I think they just take it for granted. Thing is, I walk Ron Paul speak back in the old days and I say "yeah... Yeah.... Yeah!... YEAH!.... Wait, what, no...." I'd agree with everything he said riiiight up to the point where we needed to abolish the EPA. His son? Rand Paul doesn't hold a candle to Ron Paul. He was arguing for less EPA regs a WEEK after that WV chemical spill. I get his emails. :D

      Yes, there are some actual communists around. And some anarchists. Those don't count. I work with conservatives. we talk. I'm not getting all this from a talking head on TV. I'm getting it from my co-workers... who get it all from a talking head on TV. :D I grew up Rural. I marinated in conservativism and libertarianism. Then I went to work for a giant corporation and saw that inefficiency, stupidity, corruption, etc are NOT soley the domain of big government, but the urge to screw people out of every cent they can does seem to be lodged firmly in the private sector. My sister coming out made me do a lot of thinking as well. Learning about the infrastructure around me and how much I benefit from it did a lot too.

      I know conservatives don't want NO government. But they sure do rail against the EPA a LOT. The EPA is a joke in this country. Did you know the formula for M&M coloring is different in Europe? The food colorings cause cancer, but the FDA is too weak. Europe straight up banned those colorings. M&Ms still sells in Europe. They just don't give a shit here in the States. This is just one example of MANY that we live with here because our government is bought and sold. Legalized Bribery, I mean campaign donations. Sigh.

      P.S. High Five for us for having a reasonable and respectful political discussion on Slashdot. :D I will wholeheartedly agree that partisanship sucks. I don't agree with you, but I respect the thought you've put into your beliefs.

    12. Re:Conservative?? by shizzle · · Score: 1

      Though now that I think of it, in spite of some commonality on identifying what the current problems are, you run into problems when you start to talk about solutions. Take crony capitalism for instance. From the conservative side, this is a particularly strong argument for limited government. The less power and money government has, the less you have to gain by insinuating yourself with politicians. The liberal reaction is that, if there's a problem, it must be that we need more laws to address the problem, plus more bureaucracy to administer the new laws.

      In reality, both these approaches have merit but are insufficient. The conservative argument is valid, but government will never be so limited that the opportunity for rent seeking is eliminated entirely. On the other hand, the liberal solution fails to recognize that the new laws and new bureaucracy will be developed by politicians who are already in the pockets of the crony capitalists, so they don't really solve the problem either.

    13. Re:Conservative?? by shizzle · · Score: 1

      True enough... while we are both obviously even-tempered and rational, many others are not ;-). My conservative parents often say things (or more often, forward me emails) that make me want to cringe. It's not a one-sided thing though; for every person that thinks Obama is a secretly Muslim Kenyan, there's probably someone out there that thinks GWB planned 9/11. Reminds me of a Winston Churchill quote: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute discussion with the average voter."

      I agree with you on the Pauls... sometimes I think they're the only sane ones out there, but then in other areas they really redefine crazy. I mean, just think if GWB suggested that he had the authority to unilaterally order the assasination of American citizens---but Obama does it, and Rand's the only one that makes fuss. But then I look at some of his other positions, like foreign policy, and I really wonder.

      I didn't know that about M&M colorings... scary. On the other hand, the EPA hasn't done a lot to make people trust it lately, like this and this and this. I think the liberal vision would be fine if government could be trusted to always be efficient and impartial, and the conservative vision would be fine if business people, while seeking to maximize profit, agreed to always play by the rules when doing so. But obviously neither of those conditions is anywhere close to being true in reality.

      I've enjoyed our conversation as well, thanks!

  10. Rebublican Conservative?? by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does every one of these people campaign on a platform of "government is the problem, reduce the size of the government!", and then once in office, immediately create bills that INCREASE the size of government, pry into your personal life such as who you sleep with, and if you're a woman, even when you can have sex, and generally make it so that government *is* indeed the problem because *they* made it so?

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    1. Re:Rebublican Conservative?? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For three reasons:

      1) Each party is actually in favor of reducing government but in different areas. So Party A decries Party B's expansion of government into area X while themselves increasing government in area Y. And vice versa.

      2) When someone is trying to get into government, they rail about how government is the problem. Once they get into the government, though, they don't want to give up that power. So they instead try to use that power to "solve problems." Thus more government intrusion in our lives. (Which they will continue to campaign against. See #3.)

      3) What a politician campaigns for/against and what they are actually going to do when the vote rolls around are two very different things. Sometimes they might align, but all too often they will be highly different.

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    2. Re:Rebublican Conservative?? by bob_super · · Score: 1

      Because it works. Check the incumbent election rates.

      next question?

    3. Re:Rebublican Conservative?? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on your patience.

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    4. Re:Rebublican Conservative?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with most of your points, especially 2 and 3, I dont think most Democrats say they are for small government and keep saying government is the problem.

      So to me, it is true that both sides want to increase government to benefit themselves or their beliefs, but only one side is hypocritical.

  11. I suggest when he gets his radio show by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    We welcome him with a lot of calls. Remember to be nice to the prescreeners.

  12. Come on.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Like CISPA, the newly introduced 'FISA Transparency and Modernization Act,' seeks to make it easier for the federal government to get your information from companies."

    Newsflash! The govt and companies already 'share' your information without any CISPA / FISA law. And, what difference does republican / democrat make? Nothing - they both want this type of action to continue.

    1. Re:Come on.. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      They need to be able to use it against you in court. It's just a formality.

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  13. Throw that word "transparency" in there by Quila · · Score: 1

    Make it sound good to the people.

    Forget that we are reducing transparency, not enhancing.

  14. Can you spot the Democrat? by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Informative

    This Slashdot article...

    ""You might remember House Intelligence Chair Mike Rogers, a Republican from Michigan, from his lovely, universally-hated CISPA cybersecurity bill that would have allowed nearly seamless information sharing between companies and the federal government."

    Or this one...

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/...
    "Several readers sent word that California State Senator Leland Yee was arrested today. He's accused of conspiring to traffic guns and commit wire fraud, to defraud citizens of honest services, and bribery. The complant (PDF) also names 25 other defendants. Yee is known for pushing legislation that would ban the sale of violent video games to minors. "Federal prosecutors also allege Yee agreed to perform official acts in exchange for the money, including one instance in which he introduced a businessman to state legislators who had significant influence over pending medical marijuana legislation. In exchange, the businessman -- who was actually an undercover FBI agent -- agreed to donate thousands to Yee's campaign fund, according to the indictment. The indictment also describes an August 2013 exchange in which [former school board president Keith Jackson] told an undercover officer that Yee had an arms trafficking contact. Jackson allegedly said Yee could facilitate a meeting for a donation."
    Here's a hint:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    1. Re:Can you spot the Democrat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One's part of the state legislature, the other part of the national legislature. The Congressperson is just a tad more prominent, I'd say.

    2. Re:Can you spot the Democrat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Congressperson's Party is a tad more prominent, I'd say.. Can you spot your own bias? That should be the question.

    3. Re:Can you spot the Democrat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I spot someone that hates corrupt legislators.
      Oh, and now, I spot a shill.

    4. Re:Can you spot the Democrat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't give a flying fuck about the party affiliation of any particular governmental / legislative douchebag of the day. If a person is despicable, the person is despicable regardless of which party affiliation (if any) happens to be present.

      Why do you care so much? Dare I suspect that you happen to be aligned with one of the parties and get upset that only douchebags on your "side" tend to get the affiliation stated, while the other side not so much?

      Aww. Poor you. Is that the issue you decide to tackle today? Nothing more important to deal with?

    5. Re:Can you spot the Democrat? by Quila · · Score: 1

      I'm not aligned with either party. I agree with one on some issues, on the other with other issues, and with neither on other issues. I have never registered with either party, and have voted for politicians in both.

      But even I can see the pattern. Generally with news of wrongdoing, party affiliation is less prominently displayed, or not displayed at all, with Democrats.

  15. The liberal gun blinders by Quila · · Score: 0, Troll

    I noticed in the article,

    That would seem like a step in the right direction (though I am personally not opposed to the government knowing who is purchasing guns in bulk),

    There we go again, the common theme. We fight for your rights, we fight for your privacy, we fight the tiniest encroachment that could potentially dissuade you from exercising a right, or even make it inconvenient to exercise a right! Unless the subject is guns, then fuck your rights.

    1. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yea, good thing it was never said by anyone talking sanely that we are here to take your guns.

      Knowing who owns what guns is important, and keeping it of people who cannot be responsible. Gun ownership is a right, not a privilege and those people freaking out about any attempt to regulate guns do not understand that.

    2. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Holi · · Score: 1

      How do you fight for anything. I haven't seen you gun toters out there protecting anything, I see you out there saying having a discussion about gun control being unconstitutional.

      Stop acting like you have done ANYTHING heroic in the fights for civil rights of an kind. All our wins have been from NON VIOLENCE.

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    3. Re:The liberal gun blinders by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I'm not the one freaking out about guns, you apparently are.

      Look at the text of the Amendment. The operative part is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

      If you are saying I'm not allowed to buy a gun unless you know about that, you are infringing on my right to keep it and bear it. Therefore your law does not follow the Constitution. If you can't accept that, get a new Amendment passed that invalidates the Second Amendment. Then you have the authority to whatever the hell you want.

      Until then, kindly go fuck yourself.

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    4. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you are saying I'm not allowed to buy a gun unless you know about that, you are infringing on my right to keep it and bear it.

      That ship done sailed, ran aground, got scuttled, knocked over by a wave, crushed by a kraken and sank. The government tracks everything else, and now they came for your guns and you're wondering why there's no one left to stand up for you.

    5. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, what folks like you call "gun control" IS unconstitutional. It kind of says so right there in it....

    6. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The operative part is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

      Exactly. It's offensive that the government already infringes on that right for certain classes of people. Please sign my petition to restore gun-ownership to convicted felons and the mentally ill. These people have a constitutionally guaranteed right to self-defense, the same as everyone else. http://moregunsmorebetter.com/

      Or my other initiative, which seeks to relieve the financial pressures that de facto restrict low-income citizens from gun ownership by providing a means-tested system of subsidies to ensure that self defense is accessible to all http://affordabledefenseact.co...

    7. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please sign my petition to restore gun-ownership to convicted felons and the mentally ill.

      Nice propaganda. Go back and read the word "people" and think about what that means.

      Infringements that do not substantially affect the rights of the majority of the people do not contradict the 2nd Amendment. Given the strong wording of the amendment, this is actually a very narrow restriction: much of the current practices in many jurisdictions do in fact violate the 2nd Amendment and can NOT be justified on any basis.

      Felons, being a very small minority, and arguably not even true members of the people as a result of their crimes against society, can have their right to keep and bear arms infringed, without substantially impacting the freedom of the people, as a whole, to do so.

      There are some tricky questions with respect to the definitions of "felon" and mentally ill, of course.

      People who feel the need to engage in propaganda might, in some circles, for example, be considered mentally ill. Engaging in propaganda is a symptom of fanaticism, which certainly should be considered a form of mental illness.

      Should we disallow these people some of the rights they might otherwise get?

    8. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Quila · · Score: 1

      Stop acting like you have done ANYTHING heroic in the fights for civil rights of an kind. All our wins have been from NON VIOLENCE

      Tell that to Malcolm X. Various people in the civil rights movement disagreed with King on that issue.

      OTOH, all those guys you see toting around open-carry rifles and pistols, campaigning for their rights, aren't committing any violence. They are being arrested and harrassed by the police, having hurt no one.

    9. Re:The liberal gun blinders by Quila · · Score: 1

      Please sign my petition to restore gun-ownership to convicted felons and the mentally ill.

      Conviction of a cime historically is a basis for suspending the rights of the offender. First of all, the offender usually loses his right to freedom, since he gets locked up. At this point, he usually loses his right to vote too. Upon release, many rights are still restricted, such as freedom of movement while on parole. Voting and gun rights can remain restricted.

      However, there certainly should be a mechanism to proclaim someone rehabilitated and regain his voting and gun rights. Once off probation, voting rights shouldn't be affected anymore. I know someone who as a dumb young man was convicted in the 1960s and lost his gun rights. He's pushing 70 now, and is a danger to no one, yet he can't buy a gun.

      Mental illness is definitely another issue though. However, it has been long accepted that a narrowly tailored law that is the least restrictive means to address a definite issue can survive even strict scrutiny when it comes to restricting a constitutional right. So someone who has been declared a danger by a competent medical professional could be denied possession of guns, subject to the ability of that person to appeal, to be examined by alternate medical professionals, and to have regular reviews of his status. You'll have a hard time finding a pro-gun person who disagrees with this.

      Or my other initiative, which seeks to relieve the financial pressures that de facto restrict low-income citizens from gun ownership by providing a means-tested system of subsidies to ensure that self defense is accessible to all

      We shouldn't fund people for transportation to voting places, we shouldn't fund them to acquire guns, we shouldn't give them free printing presses. It's a right you have -- it doesn't have to be provided for you. However, it should be unconstitutional for the government to make firearms more expensive than necessary, or to ban less expensive firearms so that the poor can afford them. The government has done both.

  16. So...wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bill stops bulk collection but allows for enforced request of data after the fact without any judicial oversight. Sounds to me like a good way to privatize what the NSA is already doing anyway. All this legal talk is moot because no-one up there gives two shits or one fuck about the law anyway. Fuck it - we should just give root access of every computer to the government. Let's see how that goes.

    1. Re:So...wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we should just give root access of every computer to the government. Let's see how that goes.

      as long as they sign the form indemnifying me of fault when the servers crash in exchange for root access. I'll have the easiest job ever!

  17. I always find it interesting. . . by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3

    when people who claim to be conservatives are front and center in efforts to invade people's privacy or their lives in general.

    Whether this situation, the banning of books at libraries, abortion or anything other matter involving one's personal freedoms, conservatives seem to go out of their way to be hypocrites when talking about freedom.

    I guess it's easier to talk the talk than it is to walk the walk.

    Sort of like when businesses decry government regulation or intrusion into their practices then turn around and come to the taxpayer asking for money.

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    1. Re:I always find it interesting. . . by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      There are actual conservatives out there who still are conservative in values. Sadly, the Republican party seems to have pushed all of them out in favor of the bible thumping, anti-science, stuck-in-the-1950's type of candidate. If the Republican party went away and a Really Truly Conservative party took their place, this country would be much better off. (This is coming from someone who usually votes Democrat.)

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    2. Re:I always find it interesting. . . by jfengel · · Score: 1

      There have always been strong-on-defense conservatives. Anti-communist zealots who were happy to sacrifice a lot of liberty for a little temporary safety had their biggest prominence during exactly the time that today's conservatives hold up as the ideal time of American values.

      What I find interesting is the way it's costing them an opportunity to go against Obama. Obama's own party is largely unhappy about continued NSA spying. Even Dianne Feinstein, who is from very liberal San Francisco but has been a defender of the American intelligence community from her position on the Select Committee on Intelligence, finally got fed up with it last week.

      Politically, it would be a good time for libertarians to try to pry liberals away from the Democrats. But the libertarians have made their primary political home with the Republicans for some time; there is a separate Libertarian party but it never fares well due to vote-splitting. Republicans won't easily be able to switch away from a position that put national security over liberty, even when they've got a golden opportunity to use it to embarrass Obama.

      Since Obama himself is making proposals to limit (but hardly stop) NSA spying on Americans, in an ideal world you'd love to see everybody come together to try to reach a point where at least a majority can say, "Yeah, I feel OK about changing the situation, even if I'd rather have more security or more defense from intrusiveness." But sadly for the state of American politics, it seems mostly like an opportunity for both extremes to oppose the center.

    3. Re:I always find it interesting. . . by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      We call em RINOs for a reason!

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    4. Re:I always find it interesting. . . by Holi · · Score: 1

      I find it funny that it seems that most Republicans fall under that title. Maybe because the Far Right aren't the ones that actually get to define what a republican is.

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    5. Re:I always find it interesting. . . by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      That depends on how you define "Far Right". I'm a Barry Goldwater / Ronald Reagan kind of conservative. Now take John McCain. The same guy that stood up to ex-KGB Putin and all anti-Russian pomp. Yup, he's the epitome of a RINO; believe it or not! Trying to make a pull on conservative value when it suits you best does not make one a genuine conservative. It's self-serving asshats like McCain that I can't stand. A true Conservative is one that has a historical voting record you can count on.

      http://www.rinolist.org/rinos/

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    6. Re:I always find it interesting. . . by stenvar · · Score: 1

      when people who claim to be conservatives are front and center in efforts to invade people's privacy or their lives in general.

      It's equally hypocritical when self-proclaimed conservatives or liberals do it, because it runs counter to both conservative and liberal ideology.

      Whether this situation, the banning of books at libraries, abortion or anything other matter involving one's personal freedoms, conservatives seem to go out of their way to be hypocrites when talking about freedom.

      Democrats have been quite eagerly engaging in book banning and limiting free speech. Much of the spying and intrusion into personal freedoms has come from Democrats, including jerks like Nancy Pelosi. And to anti-abortion politicians, abortion is about protecting the freedom of the unborn child; I happen to disagree with that view, but their position isn't hypocritical.

      Sort of like when businesses decry government regulation or intrusion into their practices then turn around and come to the taxpayer asking for money.

      Unlike politicians or philosophers, it's not the purpose of businesses to articulate a consistent ideology. In fact, a business should aim to argue for minimizing regulation and maximizing taxpayer support. It is the job of our politicians to deny the latter. Sadly, they often fail.

    7. Re:I always find it interesting. . . by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Well, isn't "stuck-in-the-1950's" actually a very good description for a conservative person?

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  18. 2 party system by BrookHarty · · Score: 2

    So we have the Republicans how act like Daddy and tells you what is morally correct and tries to force it with laws. Then we have Mommy Democrats who tells you how to behave with others and spend your money. How about we get a 3rd party (maybe a few) that agree to stay out of or personal and finacial lives.

    I cant see any reason we need to make it easier for companies to turn metadata or straight up personal data to the government. And both parties fall over themselves when it comes to self serving federal laws.

    And for those people complain that a libertarian party are the ones who would allow EPA disasters, schools to go unfunded, no fire/police departments are just using scare tactics to keep the status quo. So damn simple... Keep the gov outta our personal, private and capitalist transactions. Why is this so hard to understand?

    1. Re:2 party system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for those people complain that a libertarian party are the ones who would allow EPA disasters, schools to go unfunded, no fire/police departments are just using scare tactics to keep the status quo. So damn simple... Keep the gov outta our personal, private and capitalist transactions. Why is this so hard to understand?

      Thank you for that Chewbacca Defense. You noted the position exists then brushed it aside without addressing the criticism.

    2. Re:2 party system by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Then we have Mommy Democrats who tells you how to behave with others and spend your money.

      Then you bring out the Libertarian hand waving. Not that that winger claptrap had any basis in reality, but since Clinton, Democrats have been little more than secular Republicans.

      And for those people complain that a libertarian party are the ones who would allow EPA disasters, schools to go unfunded, no fire/police departments are just using scare tactics to keep the status quo.

      Because that's exactly what this does:

      Keep the gov outta our personal, private and capitalist transactions. Why is this so hard to understand?

      Why don't you read up on the 19th Century? That was your Libertarian Paradise in action, and it led to nothing but extreme wealth for an extreme minority, a slightly larger bourgeois class, and misery for everyone else. Now, go be a good little Paulbot and enjoy your nice West Virginian drinking water.

  19. Just a pervert at heart by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rogers and his ilk just like peeking at their neighbors. When he retires from politics and moves back home, make certain you don't leave your curtains open. He probably has a telescope.

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  20. Treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And they say Snowden is the bad guy! Sheesh!

    "Mike Rogers, a Republican from Michigan" is the one (of several, no doubt) that should be tried for treason, not Snowden.

  21. So get rid of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm starting to feel like America just needs to get their act together and kill off the people who want to ruin things from the top. Peacefully protesting and lobbying against this guy obviously haven't worked, but a rope will.

    1. Re:So get rid of him by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Well, before using the rope, you could first stop voting for that kind of person.

  22. TFA: bill is a list of things govt must stop doing by raymorris · · Score: 1

    TFA acknowledges that the bill is pretty much a big list of things the government will not be allowed to do, aka smaller government.

    The summary is largely a lie (shocking, I know). The article takes issue with the fact that among all of the restrictions it puts on the government, it also repeats one phrase in existing law as it adds more restrictions to that phrase.

    Current law is that the intelligence agency can get [spy on foreign persons] if they have a "reasonable and articulable suspicion". This bill says that even with "reasonable and articulable suspicion", it still must follow fourth amendment guidelines, must not be triggered by aything protected by the first amendment, must not include the contents of any communication (only metadata), etc. The author of TFA is making a big deal about the fact that the bill mentions "reasonable and articulable suspicion", but that's ALREADY current law. This bill adds restrictions to such inquiries.

  23. Since Turkeys are fat, and not very good at flying by ComputersKai · · Score: 1

    That would explain the incompetence.

  24. Partisan Problems by ComputersKai · · Score: 1
    The whole notion of battling factions in government is a terrible idea. How can you have a "Union" when the people in government are so divided? Though the political party in itself isn't inherently bad, we do have ultra-left/right morons and no-compromise party loyalists in the government that can't just seem to look past their reelection opportunities. And yet we still believe their "campaign promises" and vote them into a new term, only to have them spend it on campaigning for the next possible reelection. Even Washington, in his Farewell Address, so astutely captures this sentiment:

    The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty. Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another. Read more: http://communities.washingtont... Follow us: @wtcommunities on Twitter

  25. privacy, wiretapping, eavesdropping by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    few months ago watching "The Anderson Tapes" (early 1970s) and near end of movie police searching building for more robbery suspects find some equipment tapped into some of the buildings phone lines. Senior officer says, "whoever set this up better have a warrant!" Later the 'snoops' that have been tracking character played by Sean Connery erased and purged all the tapes of conversations they recorded because they could get in big trouble as none of it was authorized by the courts. Fast forward to these days, meh, that kind of storyline is totally ridiculous. There are other such movies back in the days when people did respect legalities of wiretapping and eavesdropping. Of course there were shenanigans played out by some govt agencies but they knew they were doing wrong so they had to cover it up. These days, they don't because "it's ok."

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    1. Re:privacy, wiretapping, eavesdropping by Quila · · Score: 1

      Remember Enemy of the State with Will Smith? All that surveillance was illegal and was being done by a lose cannon within the agency. Once the agency found out what he was doing, he was history. The movie was made when we still respected the NSA.

      Fast forward not too much to today, we find such surveillance is SOP.

  26. Someone should give him early retirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with a baseball bat to the head. Problem solved.

  27. I'm not American... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not an American, but this guy sounds like he gets his playbook mailed to him as a personal menoir from Vladimir Putin. Just sayin'.

  28. That's one of the reason for which we must first p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we did not allow those data collection from companies they would have nothing to give. Thay would not be able either to facilitate spamming or phone calls at dinner time....

  29. As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, I looked it up and it really made my day :)

  30. I really don't care by pii9088 · · Score: 1

    I really don't care. They won't see any data from my users anyway, because I am building services around decentralized user data.