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Hacker Holds Key To Free Flights

mask.of.sanity writes: "A security researcher says he has developed a method to score free flights across Europe by generating fake boarding passes designed for Apple's Passbook app. The 18-year-old computer science undergrad didn't reveal the 'bypass' which gets the holder of the fraudulent ticket past the last scanner and onto the jetway; he's saving that for his talk at Hack in the Box in Amsterdam next month."

144 comments

  1. All I can say to that is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who?

  2. Okay, but... by broginator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... how do you deal with the inevitable "Hey, you're in my seat" dilemma?

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    1. Re:Okay, but... by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Oh, I'm sorry - I must have grabbed the wrong row."
      "Oh, I'm sorry - they said my seat assignment was provisional because I arrived so late, I'll find another one"

      Board near the end of the boarding time and take a free center seat near the back -unless then plane is 100% full, you're golden.

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    2. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't be an issue on an airline like Southwest.

    3. Re:Okay, but... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Board near the end of the boarding time and take a free center seat near the back -unless then plane is 100% full, you're golden.

      Except for the annoying habbit flight attendants have of counting the number of passengers.

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    4. Re:Okay, but... by stewsters · · Score: 1

      Go sit in the bathroom until after they count?

    5. Re:Okay, but... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Go sit in the bathroom until after they count?

      But don't close the door, else they count the occupied booth.

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    6. Re:Okay, but... by Kookus · · Score: 1

      get on the plane last...

    7. Re:Okay, but... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Don't they check bathrooms?

      If they don't... maybe they should.

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    8. Re:Okay, but... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Fly Southwest.

    9. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They count the number of passengers who got on.

      The number of passengers with tickets is usually higher. Even if it wasn't, they wouldn't deboard and fix it.

    10. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Oh, I'm sorry - I must have grabbed the wrong row."
      "Sir, let me confirm your name with the flight manifest."
      "Oh, I...um..."
      (radios for security, man goes to prison under terrorism charges)

    11. Re:Okay, but... by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Not in my last 6 flights they haven't, at least not without trying to be incredibly covert about it which I seriously doubt. All these flights were within Europe or SE Asia, I don't know if head counts are more common in other regions.

    12. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not observant enough. I've never been on a flight (anywhere in the US or europe) where they haven't done this. And yes, they're usually fairly covert about it.

    13. Re:Okay, but... by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      ...and it's not very hard to be covert when all you have to do is count the empty seats and subtract.

    14. Re:Okay, but... by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not in my last 6 flights they haven't, at least not without trying to be incredibly covert about it which I seriously doubt. All these flights were within Europe or SE Asia, I don't know if head counts are more common in other regions.

      Within the US they definitely count the passengers. I flew between Canada and Asia last year and I don't remember if they counted or not, but on flights within the USA they definitely do count. There was a rather embarrassing incident where a minor without a ticket of any kind got on a plane in the US and nobody ever did anything to make sure he was in the right place or even had a ticket for the flight. I think now all the airlines want to make sure that kind of thing never happens again, because if a kid can do it, an adult with bad intentions may be able to do ti too.

    15. Re:Okay, but... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      They count the number of passengers who got on.

      The number of passengers with tickets is usually higher.

      They don't compare the count to the number of tickets. They compare it to the number of people known to be getting on the flight, presumably these days from the number who've been scanned through security (in my airside days it was the number that had checked in at the desk, since this was before online check-in).

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    16. Re:Okay, but... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Didn't they check that everyone had their seatbelts on, their seats in an upright position, their belongings stowed in the overhead locker and had switched off all electronic devices?

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    17. Re:Okay, but... by yakatz · · Score: 4, Funny

      This sounds like part of the plot of Home Alone 2...

    18. Re:Okay, but... by plopez · · Score: 1

      Know the capacity of the aircraft. Count number of empty seats, a much easier task. Passengers=total seats-empty seats. It sounds like you would flunk a flight attendant interview....

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    19. Re:Okay, but... by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're familiar with European budget airlines. You can choose your seat when booking if you're willing to pay extra. Maybe a dozen people per flight have reserved seats, and the rest work on the basis of first come, first served.

    20. Re:Okay, but... by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      Board near the end of the boarding time and take a free center seat near the back -unless then plane is 100% full, you're golden.

      An empty seat? What's that? I don't fly a lot, but whenever I do they're bumping people because the flight's been so horribly overbooked.

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    21. Re:Okay, but... by RenderSeven · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just whisper to them "Im the Sky Marshal watching that passenger over there. For everyone's safety find another seat and tell NO ONE." For bonus points, tap your non-existent shoulder holster under your sport coat.

    22. Re:Okay, but... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Its easy to be covert on nearly full flights, you just walk the plane and count empty seats, basic math gives you filled seats.

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    23. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They count the number of passengers who got on.

      The number of passengers with tickets is usually higher.

      They don't compare the count to the number of tickets. They compare it to the number of people known to be getting on the flight, presumably these days from the number who've been scanned through security (in my airside days it was the number that had checked in at the desk, since this was before online check-in).

      .. Which this device claims to be able to get through (the jetway is after the last ticket check). So the numbers may actually match up...

    24. Re:Okay, but... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Wow! When did Southwest get ETOPS approval to fly over the Atlantic Ocean???

      They didn't. They just get lost occasionally.

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    25. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 2

      Usually they go down the aisle with a "clicker" - usually not very covert. The plane doesn't take off before the numbers match.

      On a flight I was on, the numbers didn't match up, so they went through the cabin with a list of all passengers, asking each of us to tell them their last name (which they crossed off from their list), in order to figure out who wasn't inside the plane.

    26. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Quite common if you're not picking the most popular flights. Tickets are usually cheaper as well.

      Got my own 3-seater many times that way, rise the armrests it's a quick flight to dreamland :)

    27. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Do sky marshals actually carry guns onto planes, loaded, in the passenger compartment?

    28. Re:Okay, but... by Teun · · Score: 1

      Ah, it must be the guy that carried his own seat...

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    29. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Usually you get a seat assigned when you check in. You can often ask for a specific seat (for no extra charge) then also - but of course you won't get first pick.

    30. Re:Okay, but... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're familiar with European budget airlines. You can choose your seat when booking if you're willing to pay extra. Maybe a dozen people per flight have reserved seats, and the rest work on the basis of first come, first served.

      Sure, but they will always check if there's an extra passenger on board, because else they may run out of fuel.

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    31. Re:Okay, but... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft, that's the stupid way. You count the number of legs and divide by two!

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    32. Re:Okay, but... by ClosedEyesSeeing · · Score: 1

      Well, since this still happens with legitimately purchased tickets... I would assume the standard chaos would still ensue.

      Or just be sure to pick really off hours flights to lower the chances.

    33. Re:Okay, but... by zoefff · · Score: 1

      Fly cheap airlines, they don't do seat reservation

    34. Re:Okay, but... by RenderSeven · · Score: 1

      Yep. Or at least the ones I know do.

    35. Re:Okay, but... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      And the even more annoying habit of flights being overbooked in the hope that someone will cancel.

    36. Re:Okay, but... by jb11 · · Score: 1

      Do sky marshals actually carry guns onto planes, loaded, in the passenger compartment?

      Yes, but they are highly trained to work in close quarters.

    37. Re:Okay, but... by CKW · · Score: 1

      And then she goes to tell the real sky marshal that there is someone back there claiming to be in posession of a gun, and suddenly you're looking down the barrel of a real gun. Don't make any sudden moves!

      (All flight staff are introduced to the marshal in person prior to the flight.)

    38. Re:Okay, but... by Wootery · · Score: 1
    39. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually starting to make sense now. This is nearly identical to how AMTRAK operates in the US. Except that AMTRAK scans the tickets while onboard.

      What I think is happening is that the person in the OP intercepted the passbook request to the booking page to return something that looks like the booking page, but is really just the "confirm your purchase" data turned into the booking confirmation page. That way it gets the right data to use.

      This is identical to how Amtrak works as well. When you book a ticket on amtrak and get a e-ticket you are sent a barcode. The barcode is XNNXXX-DDMMMYY which is the reservation number. So if you tamper with the code generated so it shows a valid reservation number, tada, nothing else is checked. It's made worse by Amtrak doesn't check ID unless you're crossing the border to/from Canada.

    40. Re:Okay, but... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Count number of empty seats, a much easier task. Passengers=total seats-empty seats.

      And you'd totally miss lap kids.

    41. Re:Okay, but... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Terrorism, theft of services, impersonation of a law enforcement officer, impersonation of a federal official, I figure they can find a few more.

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    42. Re:Okay, but... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      ...and only TWO carry on items!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... 35 seconds in.

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    43. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Highly trained or not, that sounds like a massive liability, both from the perspective of allowing people (who may or may not be thrustworthy) with weapons on planes, and the fact that firing a firearm inside a plane cabin is a pretty bad idea - a knife or similar would be at least as effective in a close-quarters situations such as a plane.

      Finally, being a Sky Marshal sounds like the most boring job ever - I would imagine you'll end up with only people who failed at burger-flipping taking it + a few freaks... Not the people I would feel comfortable flying around with weapons.

    44. Re:Okay, but... by Collective+0-0009 · · Score: 1

      You missed this debate. It was a little over 10 years ago. Just sayin...

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    45. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take Amtrak between NY and DC a lot. Amtrak checks ID depending on how you paid? I always pay by CC and/or I am a frequent flyer with them or something and they don't ask me for ID but I've noticed others sitting around me getting asked for ID. In fact when they do their first walk arounds, they ask everyone to have their tickets and ID out and ready.

    46. Re:Okay, but... by plover · · Score: 2

      Are you afraid of the whole "shoot out a window and Hollywood makes it seem as if the plane will empty itself via the hole" scenario? Mythbusters tested it. No, the plane doesn't explosively decompress, the passengers don't get sucked out the window. Basically, the results are "it's loud". Much more of a problem is that everyone's panicking and screaming because someone is shooting a gun.

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    47. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies could just release stuff on Blackberry's ... which are actually secure?

    48. Re:Okay, but... by mpe · · Score: 1

      how do you deal with the inevitable "Hey, you're in my seat" dilemma?

      Not all airlines assign specific seats to specific passengers. Some even charge for specific seats.
      A more obvious question would be if the crews do a "head count" or not.
      Wonder if the article the article should have said "Schengen Area" rather than EU.

    49. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Nah, I just didn't pay to much attention to it, and threw it in with the rest of the paranoia just after 9/11. Honestly, the debate here where more focused on Iraq - the right-wing governement we had at the time actually sent a few troops there (in addition to Afghanistan), and we might have been sucked into that conflict if they hadn't lost the election in '05.

      But when you mention it, I do actually remember there was a ton of fuzz about allowing them to carry guns in the cabin of US-bound/-originated planes from/to our airports - a quick search reveals it still is (last article from 2011). So far, the answer has been that it's illegal, and there would be severe reprecursions to the airline (and I guess also the mashal) if they went through with it without permission.

      Anyway, it's still an interesting thing to discuss - at the same time as we are banning nailclippers and toothpaste in carryon luggage, have installed solid cocpit doors (which also may have it's problems, but this is probably a better tradeoff), and the mode of passengers facing hijackers have in gone from a "stay in your seat, it's just a free trip to Cuba" to "rush'em and kill'em!" - so now, basically the only people who can hijack an aircraft are the flight crew (something which has happened a few times, last time was EA flight 702 in february). Thus I honestly don't see the need to fly around armed TSA personel - it's a waste of tax money, fuel, and probably more of a liability than a security.

    50. Re:Okay, but... by DroolTwist · · Score: 3, Funny

      (who may or may not be thrustworthy)

      As a guy, I hope I never, ever, enter this categorization.

    51. Re:Okay, but... by FuzzyDustBall · · Score: 1

      If by highly trained you mean a 2 month boot camp that mainly consists of jogging around and carrying a fake rubber gun, yea highly trained. (I worked at the facility where all the air martials got trained).

    52. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      No, not really, even if I don't think Mythbusters is the pinnacle of science & engineering. A few holes in the fuselage may even not be enough to decompress the plane, and a window would be unfortunate, but probably not too dangerous - given that the range of the plane while flying below normal altitude allows it to reach a runway. There might be some risk to wires for instrumentation etc., but I suspect the greatest risk here is to the passengers.

      However, we do normally go to ridiculous lengths to ensure safety on aircraft - both in the maintenance requirements, certifications for the people involved, and what the passengers are allowed to bring aboard. Adding a guy with a gun into the mix seems inconsistent and probably more of a risk than a benefit.

    53. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      So, its really just another make-work program under the TSA? Couldn't they rather invest in a bit more effective immigration control? Last time I flew to the US, I spent ~2 hours in line for a 1 minute interview, which almost made me miss the connecting flight. Three-four guys for interviewing a few 747s takes forever (not everyone gets the 1-minute treatment - that comes with knowing the drill and being prepared for which questions they will ask + a pile of old US entry stamps in my passport).

    54. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      I wonder how the flight staff reacts when a passenger walks up to them and quietly tells that the guy sitting next to them is carrying a gun on the plane...

    55. Re:Okay, but... by jb11 · · Score: 1

      If by highly trained you mean a 2 month boot camp that mainly consists of jogging around and carrying a fake rubber gun, yea highly trained. (I worked at the facility where all the air martials got trained).

      Well according to several articles I have seen like this one http://www.clickorlando.com/ne..., they are considered the best shots of any federal agency. So if what you say is true, then everyone else must be complete crap.

    56. Re:Okay, but... by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      An extra 150lbs won't make a difference. Besides, they always have extra fuel just in case the plane has to fly some extra time in case of traffic

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    57. Re:Okay, but... by Fritzed · · Score: 1

      Bathrooms are generally "locked" prior to take-off. But the "lock" is really not a security mechanism and anyone that has paid attention to the procedures when your flight hits 10,000 feet would know how to open them anyway. So, if you're stealthy enough, you could unlock the bathroom and duck in. It wouldn't be checked until somebody went to get in the bathroom after the flight hits 10,000 feet.

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    58. Re:Okay, but... by edawstwin · · Score: 1

      Adding a guy with a gun into the mix seems inconsistent and probably more of a risk than a benefit.

      You obviously haven't seen Non-Stop, then.

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    59. Re:Okay, but... by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Which airlines do you fly with? I mainly fly Ryanair or EasyJet, and they don't assign seats unless you pay. (I'm not sure, but I half suspect it's a ploy to make people get to the gate early so that they can be at the front of the queue). It's a while since I flew Air Nostrum, so I can't remember how they do it.

    60. Re:Okay, but... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      They count in Canada as well. Last time time I flew(dec last year), they deboarded the plane when I was in Calgary, and went through reboarding because there were more people on, than went though the entry kiosk.

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    61. Re:Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (Don't tell anyone else... but they are.)

    62. Re:Okay, but... by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      You've clearly never flown USAir. There's definitely no counting. You'll be mighty lucky if you can even see a flight attendant on a 2 hour flight.

    63. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Most of the time it's Norwegian out of Oslo, but I also fly Lufthansa/SAS quite a bit, and occasionally KLM. The "premium" airlines are often actually cheaper than the "low cost" ones, you just have to spend 30 minutes comparing prices - expedia is great for this (but not neccessesarily book through them, the airlines are easier to deal with for changes etc. if you go through their system).

      On the self-check-in machines for Norwegian, you can pick your seat, but of course you get 2nd pick after whoever paid for it. On check-in counters, they often ask "aisle or window", but I think they have the same choice as on the machines. Personally, I try to get one a bit in the back, on a 3-seater with only one other passenger on one side (or place myself and my SO on each end of such a 3-seater. If the plane is almost empty, I sometimes gamble and pick the seat in the middle of an empty 3-seater - its a pretty good chance of getting it to yourself...

      I have honestly never seen a boarding card without any seat assignement - I guess they don't want all the passengers to clump in one end of the plane or something similar which would be bad for the weight distribution.

    64. Re:Okay, but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      I have not (never even heard of it - it hasn't been very much adverticed here (currently living/working in France/Switzerland), but a quick check of IMDB indicates that it's a even less reliable source of information than Mythbusters :)

  3. Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Got to pick your flight carefully if you don't want to end up sitting on someone's lap (or vice versa).

  4. Just don't fly out of Europe by bunyip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might get lucky and get an empty seat. Hint - pick a center seat in the last few rows, these seats suck. However, if you fly into the US or many other countries, they will have received a passenger manifest electronically from the airline. You'll have fun when you get to customs and there's no record of you...

    1. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last rows are the absolute best in the whole plane because everyone thinks they're terrible.

    2. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      You might get lucky and get an empty seat. Hint - pick a center seat in the last few rows, these seats suck. However, if you fly into the US or many other countries, they will have received a passenger manifest electronically from the airline. You'll have fun when you get to customs and there's no record of you...

      Why would there be no record of you? The airline has you recorded as checking in to that flight. The only part that's being skipped here is the billing part. Once you check in, you're in the airline's system. Of course, you might be checked in using someone else's check-in code, which could be a bit dicey come customs.

    3. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      The last rows are the absolute best in the whole plane because everyone thinks they're terrible.

      Shh! Everyone knows that they're both the most unsafe seats, and the worst overall, being so near the toilets... right?

    4. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

      Once you check in, you're in the airline's system.

      That's not how it works, or even remotely so.

    5. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by ejasons · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows that they're both the most unsafe seats, and the worst overall, being so near the toilets... right?

      And it really sucks to have so much available overhead space for carry-ons...

    6. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows that they're both the most unsafe seats, and the worst overall, being so near the toilets... right?

      And it really sucks to have so much available overhead space for carry-ons...

      Good point; you might not get to have someone else's bowling balls in the compartment above your head, but have to stow your own stuff above your seat.

    7. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Only problem is that the overhead bins on the few last rows are often filled with crew's stuff, PA system boxes, firefigthing equipment, portable oxygen containers and a ton of other stuff. So you might end up putting it under the seat in front of you (which sucks if you're tall).

    8. Re:Just don't fly out of Europe by ejasons · · Score: 1

      Only problem is that the overhead bins on the few last rows are often filled with crew's stuff, PA system boxes, firefigthing equipment, portable oxygen containers and a ton of other stuff. So you might end up putting it under the seat in front of you (which sucks if you're tall).

      But, being the first on the plane, you can put your stuff pretty much anywhere...

  5. Last time I was on an aeroplane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the ticket was a punch card.

  6. Oh Crap by Virtucon · · Score: 0

    Another possible attack vector for terrorists. Unwittingly this guy is now going to make it a living nightmare for people flying around Europe for exposing this security flaw. Prepare for the requisite knee-jerk response from the EU and the US.

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    1. Re:Oh Crap by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I'd be more concerned about lax security allowing travel using stolen passports.

      e.g. the two Iranian passengers on the missing Malaysian aircraft, travelling on euro passports stolen a year earlier.

    2. Re:Oh Crap by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Another possible attack vector for terrorists. Unwittingly this guy is now going to make it a living nightmare for people flying around Europe for exposing this security flaw. Prepare for the requisite knee-jerk response from the EU and the US.

      What, for EXPOSING this flaw to the general public, instead of keeping it a secret that only miscreants, terrorists, and airline authorities know about?

      You're right. It pulls up the curtain before the security theatre is ready.

  7. show up early, print dupe boarding pass as kiosk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You need to do this in two steps

    1) Knowing the name of someone on the flight, get a copy of their boarding pass at one of the omnipresent selfcheckin kiosks in the terminal. This might be a bit tricky, perhaps shoulder surfing or social engineering? Even trash can rummaging (since people often get a new boarding pass when they check bags, etc.).
    That gets you the seat assignment on the plane, and past the scanner.

    2) Bogus boarding pass that matches your ID so you can get past the security checkpoint (the last time they check id for domestic flights). You could print this anywhere, and for all I know, your name is encoded in the funky barcodes. Or a legit boarding pass for another flight you've booked yourself on, perhaps on standby? (since they don't charge your credit card til you board)

    3) A boarding pass with the seat number you have chosen (to be non conflicting with the the seat of the known passenger in #1) would probably be most effective at convincing the flight attendants that you are legit. If you're doing the late boarding, pick an empty middle seat approach, I'll bet "there's an App for that" that can produce a legitimate looking pass.

    4) Bear in mind that if they get suspicious, there is a printed passenger manifest at the gate and they can fairly quickly walk down the aisle checking everyone. That's going to be hard to beat.

    There's several social engineering steps that will be needed (as with any good con).

  8. CSS? Does my seat come with extra padding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whoa, talk about floating yourself relative to your original position! If the flight is full can I just sit aligned in the center?

    1. Re:CSS? Does my seat come with extra padding? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. Go on, you know you want to.

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  9. Welcome to the No-Fly List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When journalist Drew Griffin investigated flaws with the TSA in the US, he ended up on the no-fly list.
    Another got raided by the feds: http://yro-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/25/1939214/feds-confiscate-investigative-reporters-confidential-files-during-raid

    Guess what's going to happen to this guy ...

    1. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      First rule of Fight Club is..

      You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

      Second rule is..

      You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

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    2. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how this was a hack only applicable in Europe, and he is giving the talk in Amsterdam, I doubt he cares about the US "No Fly List." However, rendition is still a possibility...

    3. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      First rule of Flight Club is..

      You do not talk about FLIGHT CLUB.

      Second rule is..

      You do not talk about FLIGHT CLUB.

    4. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by mbone · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      The first rule of FLIGHT CLUB is...

      You do not talk about how you got your tickets

    5. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Second Rule of Flight Club is

      You Don't Need Tickets

    6. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Njovich · · Score: 1

      To be fair, this is more of an airline issue than a TSA issue. As long as he has proper ID, passes security, and doesn't pose a threat, the TSA likely won't care one way or another. They never cared about fake tickets that could get you through security before in any case.

      Of course, being able to get on a flight with this is new, so maybe they will suddenly start caring.

    7. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Uh, the TSA very much wants to know the identity of anybody boarding a plane. Any airline that allows somebody on a plane who wasn't on the manifest will get in really hot water, as will any passenger attempting something like this.

      In the US a background check was run on you before you even arrive at the airport.

    8. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Third Rule of Flight Club is
       
      Where We're Going, We Don't Need Tickets

    9. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Where We're Going, We Don't Need Tickets

      You need a ticket, but only a one-way.

    10. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by mbone · · Score: 1

      The Third Rule that you do not talk about the Second Rule.

    11. Re:Welcome to the No-Fly List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tickets? We don' need no stink-ing tickets!

  10. Or not... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    He said the model used in all EU airports to check the validity of tickets was "malfunctioning" noting they lacked "direct access to the airliner database", but wouldn't be drawn on whether he tested his research by boarding a flight.

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    1. Re:Or not... by pla · · Score: 1

      So you mean, he didn't admit to a variety of felonies in public?

      Shocking.

  11. Free? I think not by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Hacker Holds Key To Free Flights

    Until you count the risk-weighted cost of getting arrested for fraud.

  12. Congrats! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess who just made it onto a whole bunch of lists!

    I forsee many small rooms in this guys future. Filled with unhappy people with guns and badges wanting to talk to him.

  13. Checkin will not allow double seating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lately, when I checkin for a flight, the software in the ticket scanner checks to see if the seat has already been scanned. If it has, it'll beep, if not then it marks it as now allocated.

    Now if there are places in Europe that don't have that sort of checkin system then I can see it being vulnerable...

    1. Re:Checkin will not allow double seating by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Lately, when I checkin for a flight, the software in the ticket scanner checks to see if the seat has already been scanned. If it has, it'll beep, if not then it marks it as now allocated.

      The gate agents also have access to electronic versions of the passenger manifest, and newer systems even display the names of passengers that are not yet checked in/on board/awaiting seat assignment next to a seatmap of the aircraft so they can be literally dragged and dropped to assign seats. If the boarding pass fails to scan, the first thing the gate agent will notice, either by looking at the list or manually typing in the passengers name, is that no one with that name is booked on the flight, either as a paying passenger or on standby. The name would have to match up with a person assigned to the flight, otherwise they will not let you on.

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  14. Picking a seat is easy by ugen · · Score: 2

    Seat maps are now available online realtime for most major airlines. So there is no need to guess - you can pick a right flight and an empty seat, do it right before the departure and it will likely remain empty.

    On the other hand, my impression of gate check was that it checks boarding pass against database record of name/reservation/seat assignment. Certainly any other information maintained by gate agents is in the same remote database (such that any changes they perform at the gate become instantly visible online, for example standby and upgrade list status). So, no matter what the "local hack" is, it would only work if either:
    - He can also hack remote passenger database (unlikely)
    - Specific airline does not check passengers against the database and trusts properly constructed boarding pass (also unlikely, at least in US, as there needs to be positive match between passenger and loaded luggage that has to be performed based on that darn remote record).

    There is also pesky passenger manifest with names, which again comes not from your boarding pass but from the remote system (though they need to reconcile with with reality).

    Let's wait and see. Perhaps some of these conditions don't hold in Europe for whatever reason?

    1. Re:Picking a seat is easy by kuiken · · Score: 2

      On the budget airlines there are no seat assignments, you can pay extra to get in the first queue. Once the gate opens its a dash for the 'best' seats

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    2. Re:Picking a seat is easy by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > Let's wait and see. Perhaps some of these conditions don't hold in Europe for whatever reason?

      You mean like it is all a bunch of unnecessary hoopla that costs way more than its worth for the nearly non-existent problems it solves?

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    3. Re:Picking a seat is easy by ugen · · Score: 1

      Which one? Knowing what passenger is in what seat? I dunno, airlines don't do much of anything if it costs extra. Remember the peanuts?

  15. 18 year old "researcher"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So exactly how many years of experience does this gent have as a, um, "researcher"? 18 year old comp sci "undergrad"? I.e.-- freshman? Ah, the innocence of the naive inexperienced youth!

  16. There is a downside by mbone · · Score: 1

    This might work fine, but if it didn't work you would probably get arrested, get put on a blacklist and, if it was really your day, get close attention from the likes of the French DGI. There is nothing like a week of interrogation to spice up your vacation.

  17. But what did he end up flying on? Not that easy. by Shag · · Score: 1

    Most airlines have assigned seats. Most airlines have computers that know who's supposed to be in each seat and also know who's bought tickets. So on most airlines, that fake boarding pass is going to be pretty tricky. And using passbook is just a more hip way of the old "print a fake boarding pass" trick.

    You could make a "no seat assignment" boarding pass, which often happens when a flight is booked full except for rows that are blocked (exits, front row of economy blocked for the handicapped, etc). Then you go to the gate, ask the gate agent for a seat assignment, all perfectly normal... except that you're not going to be in the computer, so at the very least, there's an element of social engineering.

    You could make a "no seat assignment" boarding pass for an earlier/later flight, and if the computer at the gate were so dumb it didn't know about any flight but the current one, you might be able to "stand by."

    Making a "no seat assignment" boarding pass for a different airline entirely ... well, they'd probably want to know why you had been sent over to them. And they'd probably want someone at the other airline to sign off on it. Odds might be a tiny bit better if the airline you chose was a partner, but not in a joint venture involving shared access to customer records. If Delta and Alaska both have flights between a pair of cities, make a fake boarding pass for the one that leaves first, show up at the other one after it's left, claiming you missed your flight and asking to stand by.

    Of course there's also the non-rev standby category, but for that you need to fake an airline ID and uniform... and that's a lot more risky.

    So I'm guessing this guy may be flying an airline that lacks assigned seats, and maybe isn't all that great at IT in general... which means congrats, you're getting flights on either Ryanair or something even worse, for £0 instead of £1 they usually charge. ;)

    I don't know when I'll have the opportunity, but next time I'm heading through a certain airport where I have lounge access and am friends with the lounge staff, I'll see if I can make a few "modified" boarding passes and see what happens when they scan them, just for amusement. Like if I'm in economy on a domestic flight to Los Angeles, make one that says I'm in business class on the upper deck of a 747 to Tokyo, and see what they say when it doesn't show up in the computer.

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  18. Re:But what did he end up flying on? Not that easy by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Of course there's also the non-rev standby category, but for that you need to fake an airline ID and uniform... and that's a lot more risky.

    Non-rev standby doesn't work like that. You are thinking more of jump-seating for pilots and flight attendants, who must be in uniform and can just show up at a gate and get listed. Non-revs wear regular clothes and do not need to show ID at the gate, but when they check-in at the airport they need to have already made a reservation through their online company portal, or need to produce an airline ID to the ticket agent if they are booking the flight day of. But trying to fake either of those, especially jump-seating, is a good way to earn yourself a nice little vacation in federal prison.

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  19. Iron Man challenge by Kamamura · · Score: 2, Funny

    For hackers with balls, try that on Air Force One.

    "Hey, Mr. President, this is my seat!"

  20. what the hell? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Who the hell would accept a digital image of a boarding pass? I could make a fake one so easily and just imitate the app. Or I could snap a shot of someone else's pass and then swap out the info. What airport in the world would possibly accept something so unbelievably unreliable?

    1. Re:what the hell? by Teun · · Score: 1
      Uhhh, all airlines I fly with and at virtually all airports accept a digital boarding pass.

      You need to check in on-line, less than 24 hrs. before the flight and in return you get a mail with a QR code.
      At the airport you just show your phone displaying the code, both at immigration, at security and at boarding.

      Also realise there is no Immigration between the EU Schengen countries.

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      "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
    2. Re:what the hell? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Who the hell would accept a digital image of a boarding pass?

      Err, everyone, on every flight I've taken in the last few years (which admittedly isn't many). A QR code in an email sent to my phone is my boarding pass. A scanner reads it, presumably displays my details to the security guy, and he checks my ID.

      I could make a fake one so easily and just imitate the app.

      Off you go then.

      It's not like someone scrawled "Boerd!ng Pars" on the back of an envelope with a crayon.

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      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    3. Re:what the hell? by MrMickS · · Score: 1

      I've not taken a flight in the last couple of years, between a number of European countries, that I've not used a QR code on my phone as the boarding pass. Given that its a QR code even if you take a snapshot of someone else's how are you going know what details to swap out? The other information there is for the user only, its not used by the scanner.

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    4. Re:what the hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the last 100 flights I've been on in the last 5 years. I check in to the flight and get my boarding pass on the phoneup to 24 hours ahead of the flight. I go from the taxi straight to the security line, then to my gate. When it's time to board I walk up the person at the jetway, scan my QR code again and say "I will, thank you" when they say, "Have a nice flight". That is it.
      I have no idea what all of those people are doing at the ticket counters waiting in the snaking lines. If you just want to check baggage, do it at the curb with the skycaps.

  21. Better watch out for himself by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    "he's saving that for his talk at Hack in the Box in Amsterdam next month"

    He'll be in a CIA torture chamber before then if he's not careful.

    1. Re:Better watch out for himself by PPH · · Score: 1

      At least he'll be taking the train there.

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  22. Age related trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This trick only works with 18 year olds. Only they are at the age when they can pretend to be younger and thus not have an ID and then say things like, "I was just waiting for my parents!" and "my phone must be broke!". LOL. That is the "trick". Its just all social engineering.

    1. Re:Age related trick by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Spoiler alert: they don't do the count until everyone's sitting down.

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  23. Domestic flights, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This kind of shit won't fly (pun intended) internationally, where every passenger list is carefully checked. At the very least, you'd be stopped at the destination airport; they'd probably notice a seat that's supposed to be empty too.

    Also, to everyone worried about terrorism: You still need to go through security. The only difference this makes is whether you have to pay for a ticket to get on the flight. That is not commonly an impediment to terrorists.

    1. Re:Domestic flights, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This kind of shit won't fly (pun intended) internationally, where every passenger list is carefully checked. At the very least, you'd be stopped at the destination airport;

      This method specifically says it applies to flights "across Europe". It probably really means flights within the Schengen zone. Passenger lists are not carefully checked and there is no immigration at the destination airport. (And we like it this way.)

  24. Re:But what did he end up flying on? Not that easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like if I'm in economy on a domestic flight to Los Angeles, make one that says I'm in business class on the upper deck of a 747 to Tokyo, and see what they say when it doesn't show up in the computer.

    We'll make sure to write to you in Gitmo.

  25. Bullshit by aepervius · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the CKI system i know of, count the pax boarded against the pax list in the CKI system. If they find a discrepancy, they check the one in addition and ask to check the ticket. Good luck making your explaining.

    The bottom line was that the secure (relatively) thing is not the boarding pass but the ticket. Now if you could free ticket i would be downright impressed. Free boarding pass have long been known to be insecure. They are not there to be secure but to count boarded pax on the system against real boarded on plane, to be able to remove the one which are No-Show and remove their baggage.

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    1. Re:Bullshit by Collective+0-0009 · · Score: 1

      Well that's a problem, then. All you need to get past security is a boarding pass. If it's that insecure, then the lines I spend an hour in are worthless because they don't really stop anyone from getting in to the gates, except my family who wants to send me off. Those lines are also worthless for quite a few other reasons.

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    2. Re:Bullshit by hweimer · · Score: 1

      Now if you could free ticket i would be downright impressed.

      Free ticket is easy. Just buy a ticket online and use someone else's bank account data (which should work in most of Europe via SEPA direct debit). Bank account data is widely availabe on the web, as this is generally not thought to be highly sensitive information. If you do it shortly before the flight, the account holder will most likely not notice what's going on to have the ticket cancelled in time.

      For bonus points, you can get the ticket issued under a pseudonym and alter the boarding pass to match your real name, so whenever you get asked for ID you won't get into trouble. The only thing where this won't work is when you want to check luggage (or, when flying to the U.S.), as there people will match your ID against what is actually stored in the airline's database.

      Of course, if you do this without the bank account holder's consent, this is plain old direct debit fraud. So kids, don't do this at home.

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  26. And confirmation of BS : by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "He said the model used in all EU airports to check the validity of tickets was "malfunctioning" noting they lacked "direct access to the airliner database", but wouldn't be drawn on whether he tested his research by boarding a flight."

    To that I have to say only "yeah , right" as in very sarcastic. Some airline in europe have spearheaded the interline and ground handling electronic exchange between TKT and CKI systems (using edifact messages TKCREQ, TKCUAC, TKCRES) since.... 2001. Even the medium airline are using the itnerline access. only very very small airline are still using offline process like ETL list.

    That "security" researcher never checked in real life its results.

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  27. Re:This should be fixed, by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

    Yeah, wouldn't want a muslim flying for free.

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    He tried to kill me with a forklift!
  28. Permanent DNF by wiredlogic · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This kid is asking to be put on a permanent Do Not Fly list. Emperors don't like peons who point out their absence of clothes.

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    I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
  29. Free flight ... to prison by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Getting on the plane is only part of the "game."

    Unless you plan on doing something bad on the plane that will get you arrested or killed anyways, you also have to never be caught, even after the fact. Or at least delay your capture until all relevant criminal and civil statutes of limitations have run out.

    Given that there are cameras everywhere these days, "Good luck with that."

    Even then you have to worry about countries retroactively extending the statutes of limitations if their Constitutions/Basic Laws/whatever allow for it (In the last 10-20 years, California [USA] retroactively re-instated the right to sue for damages for certain decades-old torts).

    To those who say "it's the bad guys who plan on hurting themselves or others once onboard" I say "You are right, that is an issue that needs to be addressed, but that's outside the scope of my comment, please start another thread."

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    1. Re:Free flight ... to prison by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Given that there are cameras everywhere these days, "Good luck with that."

      While they're busily fixing it, an old problem was matching a low-resolution image of a face to an actual individual with enough certainty that you can't find a half-dozen other individuals that also match without much problem.

      It's tough even with witnesses and books of known criminal gangs.

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  30. hairs on heads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.. your method doesn't account for zero, one, or three legged pax.

    I propose: count hairs on heads, then estimate statistics for hairs/person, then develop a model for hair distribution, use that to estimate population based on number of hairs.

    1. Re:hairs on heads by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Ah, so it's a bald 18 year old.

  31. Kind of already been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's somebody in the US already doing this with Delta boarding passes - https://www.netspi.com/blog/entryid/208/sky-prioritize-yourself

  32. 18 year old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    legally adult? welcome to jail.

    of course, when the talk happens, it will have all been blown out of proportion and it turns out he just found some checksum hack that gets him into the security area, not onto the actual plane in any meaningful way.

    note how the article says he can *board* a plane. that's the key to this article. it doesnt say he has any chance of successful travel.

  33. You're missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People like him don't give a fuck about emperors like coward bitches such as yourself.

    He's in it to make a change/difference - you're in it to serve your masters.

    So be a good little slave and kiss your emperors taint.

  34. I Guess by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    I guess if he doesn't make the talk then the hack didn't work!

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  35. next month if he's not in lockup by them by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    next month if he's not in lockup by them and even them he may make the no fly list.

  36. They would be fairly ineffective at stopping a hij by kaladorn · · Score: 1

    Yes, they are armed. That is their purpose - to be a last line of defense for major threats and to be an early-responder to unruly passenger scenarios.

    They are also well trained.

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  37. Hmmm... by kaladorn · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression sometimes a second marshal may fly on a flight without notifying staff.

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  38. Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are three major manufacturers of intelligent BGR (boarding gate reader) primarily in use around the world - manufactured by Access, Desko, and IER. A boarding gate reader is plugged into a computer, which is either dedicated use (provided by the airline themselves), or Common Use (provided by a Common Use vendor - ARINC, SITA, Ultra, RESA). Different Common Use vendors require different firmware, and different airlines may also utilise different firmware.

    The boarding gate reader should send the barcode data to the Airline application (either directly, or via the Common Use platform) - the airline application then has to acknowledge to the reader whether the user is "good to board" (a green light displays) or "not good to board" (a red light displays). A message is often sent to the boarding gate reader as well, with information about the passenger's name, seat number, alerts about exit rows or seat changes etc...

    If there was a vulnerability, I would imagine it affects a single device manufacturer, or a single Common Use vendor, or a single airline, or even more likely, a single combination of all three. His assertion "he said the model used in all EU airports to check the validity of tickets was "malfunctioning" noting they lacked "direct access to the airliner database"" is completely false - there isn't a single model used in all EU airports, and the vast majority of airlines automatically reconcile against a passenger list at the boarding gate.

    What he may be talking about is use of specialised standalone boarding gate readers at security positions - the data in the 2D barcode on a boarding pass can be digitally signed, and the contents of the barcode alone can then be used for a degree of validation - whether the passenger is on a valid flight, from this terminal, from this airport, on this day, that hasn't already departed and the passenger hasn't already been through security. If one particular variant of reader isn't properly validating the digital signatures (using the certificates published by the airlines) then it may be possible to create a boarding pass with valid (unsigned) data on it to get through security - it shouldn't be possible to board a flight though.

    Finally, being caught doing anything of this kind is a one way ticket to a criminal record, and probably being treated as a terrorist until you can prove otherwise. It's just not worth it.

  39. It should be a good step for progress in technolog by pettertom · · Score: 1

    It should be a good step for progress in technology. keep it up. Mobile Phone Solutions

  40. Am I dating myself? Sounds like an adaption of the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the not so distant pass it was common to use open source hash generators to create credit card #'s that would return a Boolean valid or invalid when parsed for viability. The merchant processing systems didn't validate the account number against a creditor account, they simply calculated a hash against the credit card # and returned a valid or invalid base on the result of the hash. This was/is enough for a hotel, for example, to grant you checkin and charging privileges.

    Perhaps the jetways systems of cattle car airlines simply ask of the scanned boarding pass: "Are you valid" versus "Who are you? "Are you on the right flight? " Have you checked in already?..."

    If you think of the layers of security employed in a defense in depth model and the fact that passengers are in a sterile area, perhaps the requirements of the system assume that the dude standing in line and the person looking at the moving cell phone is good enough.