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FCC Orders Comcast To Stop Labeling Equipment Rental a Service Fee

An anonymous reader writes "The FCC denied an appeal by Comcast, which argued that its practice of charging customers separately for a DTA (digital terminal adapter) -- a converter box that allows cable subscribers with older televisions to receive digital channels, which the company said would be provided at no charge -- is not subject to rate regulation, because it is a service fee. The ruling was issued on March 19." Also from the article: "In an e-mail last week to the Star Tribune, Comcast vice president of corporate affairs Mary Beth Schubert said the case “involved a relatively minor dispute about the way certain items are presented on the rate card but has no effect on overall pricing.” But, [Michael Bradley, an attorney whose firm represented Minneapolis-area franchising authorities in the dispute] argued the FCC’s decision sets a strong precedent for transparency within the cable industry."

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  1. Comcast does what they want by pete6677 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Comcast does not care what the FCC says. They have legislators in their pockets to make sure no real action will ever be taken against them. They will flat out ignore FCC regs and know that nothing will ever come of it.

  2. A simple solution by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about cancelling cable TV and finding something else to do with your time?

    We had cable. "Extended analog cable" if I remember, which was to say, no premium channels, no "digital" channels (this was as DTV was kicking off but was not yet mandatory), so about 80 channels of content, perhaps 60 channels that weren't some variation of an OTA broadcast.

    With eighty channels there were times when we couldn't find anything that we wanted to watch. We would end up watching complete and total crap, because we were paying for it and felt obligated to watch it. One day I realized that I was coming home from work, watching four or more episodes of CSI, and going to bed. Eventually I started seeing the same episodes over again, and realized that this needed to stop.

    We got rid of our cable TV subscription. Still have Internet, still have phone, but now I don't have to pay to find that there's nothing on TV, and since TV doesn't cost me anything I don't feel guilty about not turning it on. I go play music or work on something or read or even surf the Internet.

    Just let it go. Trust me, it will be okay.

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    1. Re:A simple solution by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Live Sports. The only reason I keep cable is to watch live sports. Until the pirates figure out a way to stream live sports in high quality, I'll be sticking to cable. Beyond that, I don't need it

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    2. Re:A simple solution by luther349 · · Score: 2

      yep my personal tv never gets turned on other then when im playing on a console. if my old man didn't watch the main tv all the time i would have cut the cable cord a long time ago. he does enjoy Netflix but hes not quite to the point of using the internet full time to watch all his shows.

    3. Re:A simple solution by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Oh...you want to *watch* live sports. Well you could always listen to live sports, I understand it works pretty well too.

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    4. Re:A simple solution by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh...you want to *watch* live sports.

      He could also play live sports. That would be entertaining and a lot healthier than sitting on the couch listening to how someone else runs around with the ball.

    5. Re:A simple solution by Amouth · · Score: 2

      I remember a few years ago when they did the black out of the world cup in the US. we had a computer setup back in my area streaming the World Cup in ASCII. It was actually quite good and you could follow the game fairly easily.. At one point we had 3-4 of us standing around watching it..

      http://ascii-wm.net/

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    6. Re:A simple solution by Bengie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Using pure logic is a slippery slope because "fun" is not "logical". While we're on the subject, ethics aren't logical either. Nutshell, don't bring logic into an argument about entertainment. If someone wants something, that's all that matters. He wants to watch sports, then don't sarcastically point out that he could just listen.

    7. Re:A simple solution by David+Jao · · Score: 2
      wiziwig.tv does a pretty good job of pirating most live sports, albeit only in standard definition quality.

      I think HD quality is overrated. Yes, I can tell the difference. Yes, I appreciate HD quality. But up until 2003 or so, I happily watched live sports in standard definition quality without feeling in the least bit cheated. So I see no reason why high quality is mandatory today.

    8. Re:A simple solution by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      I gave it up because I realized that the $100+ I was saving bought a LOT of beer at the local sports bar.

      And then came the kids, which make watching sports almost impossible anyway, because it isn't purple and doesn't sing or dance. Well, maybe the Ravens. The $1000+ saved over the course of the year means I can justify going to an actual stadium from time to time without grousing too much about the overpriced beers.

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  3. The box is pretty much mandatory by supersat · · Score: 2

    The summary says it's "a converter box that allows cable subscribers with older televisions to receive digital channels," but now that the FCC allows cable companies to encrypt ALL channels, it's pretty much mandatory. Sure, you might be able to convince them to give you a CableCARD for your compatible TV, but I've heard that they make it difficult to get.

    1. Re:The box is pretty much mandatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hate to defend Comcast, but I had to get a CableCard from them for my HDHomeRun Prime tuner and it was very easy. I went to the local Comcast office, handed over my DVRs, and told them I wanted a CableCard. They verified that I was looking for an "M" card (some older Tivo models only support "S" cards apparently, so they keep both on hand), then gave me a card and updated my account/billing information. When I got home I plugged the card into my tuner, called Comcast support, and in under 30 minutes had everything working perfectly fine.

    2. Re:The box is pretty much mandatory by SCPRedMage · · Score: 2

      The FCC now requires cable companies allow self installs of CableCARDs, whereas that requirement did not exist back in 2010.

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  4. I can see their response already by mysidia · · Score: 4, Funny

    $0.99 - Convert box rental (Equipment fee)
    $18.99 - Converter box software update and 30-day license installation (Service fee)

  5. Greedy Corporate Assholes by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
    Any business as big and monopolistic as Comcast is going to be completely corrupt. They don't make money, they steal money. This applies to all the big corporations, no matter what business they are in.

    This example shows how low they will go to defraud their users. Just how many cable subscribers are using non-HDTV sets? This is obviously their lowest tier customer class, so it is likely that they are making the least amount of profit from these users. That is why they picked this group to gouge.

    There no real relationship between what they charge and what the delivery cost is. The content charges are just as artificial. The only competition is how the profits from the overpriced service is divided up. The only looser is the customer.

    This situation is normal when there is no real competition. It's identical to the telcos and the banks and the pharmaceutical companies and ...

    No capitalism here, just move along.

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    1. Re:Greedy Corporate Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      THis isn't the only thing the FCC has ignored, while they claim Comcast shouldn't applying fess to equipment that you can go out and buy since the conversion to digital. The fact remains under FCC law, if they apply a rental fee to any equipment a consumer has every right to by that equipment themselves. However since Concast has monopolized the equipment manufactures the manufactures refuse to sell that equipment, and as far I could tell/find no one else is allowed to make the equipment, so unless by chance you come across another manufacture, before Concast or Motorola files court complaint, your stuck. And yet the FCC in which I sent a letter, and copy of their regulations, over a thousand times refuse to do anything, they won't even direct it to the other Fed Agencies that are suppose to handle this type of crap.

      But I can buy the equipment for DirecTV without any problems.

  6. As a guy from Europe by InsultsByThePound · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm never ceased to be surprised by your guys prices never match the advertised price. Surcharges/Fees/Taxes/Tips flying everywhere. About the only time I paid the price adverted was buying gas. And it's not like it's predictable "Oh, things will be 10% over the price", nope every industry from hotels to airlines to cellphones has it's own rules and offsets. Why hasn't there been a consumer revolt yet?

  7. Re:A simple solution (live sports) by satch89450 · · Score: 2

    For the times I want to watch live sports, I go where there is no cost to watch: a sports bar. Living where I do, another possibility is the sports book. The only disadvantge is I have to share the bathroom, and the drinks cost more. I've been off cable for more than ten years. Really haven't missed it.

  8. Pink Floyd said it best. by Avantare · · Score: 2

    "13 channels of shit on the TV to choose from."

  9. Okay, so they have to explicitly state charges... by Cantankerous+Cur · · Score: 2

    but this doesn't stop them from charging whatever they want. There's no indication the FCC is going to attempt to regulate the pricing for them.

    A real win for customers would be the ability to buy them.