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Cuba: US Using New Weapon Against Us -- Spam

mpicpp (3454017) writes in with news about accusations from Cuban officials about a spamming campaign against the country by the U.S.. "Cuban officials have accused the U.S. government of bizarre plots over the years, such as trying to kill Fidel Castro with exploding cigars. On Wednesday, they said Washington is using a new weapon against the island: spam. 'It's overloading the networks, which creates bad service and affects our customers,' said Daniel Ramos Fernandez, chief of security operations at the Cuban government-run telecommunications company ETECSA. At a news conference Wednesday, Cuban officials said text messaging platforms run by the U.S. government threatened to overwhelm Cuba's creaky communications system and violated international conventions against junk messages. The spam, officials claim, comes in the form of a barrage of unwanted text messages, some political in nature. Ramos said that during a 2009 concert in Havana performed by the Colombian pop-star Juanes, a U.S. government program blanketed Cuban cell phone networks with around 300,000 text messages over about five hours."

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  1. The sheer volume! by DeathToBill · · Score: 4, Funny

    300,000 in five hours? God forbid!

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    1. Re:The sheer volume! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is pretty serious business. At a potential maximum of 140 octects/message, that's (just)Over 40 Megabytes delivered in the course of 5 hours.

      Just think. To deliver an attack like that, the US government must have had some sort of time machine, with Ronald Reagan shouting "Now witness the destructive power of this fully armed and operational ARPANET!" before turning on, um, maybe a couple dozen modems at once.

    2. Re:The sheer volume! by macpacheco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      300k SMS in five hours ? That's just 18 SMS / second.
      Add three zeros and you're still not making even the oldest GSM network in the world sweat.
      Sounds like a big bowl of boloney mixed with a lot of malarkey.
      Perhaps the explanation is since everything is censored in Cuba, perhaps the govt minders were overwhelmed trying to censor that much SMS, that would actually make some sense.

    3. Re:The sheer volume! by EasyTarget · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's 2009, networks were smaller then.

      According to this there were just 300k mobiles in Cuba in 2008.

      So it was actually an attempt to spam every person with a mobile in Cuba with pro-US propaganda. And it's just one of many such political spammings, and they still continue.

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    4. Re:The sheer volume! by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Checking my last cell bill, I think that's about the combined average rate for my kids and wife during any typical 5 hour period.

    5. Re:The sheer volume! by erikkemperman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, so their cellular networks are not quite as advanced as much of the rest of the world. How did you expect them to keep up, given that economic sanctions prohibit most producers of relevant hard- and software from trading with Cuba? Given the circumstances they have to chose their battles, I guess. It is a miracle how they managed to build up one of the most advanced healthcare systems in Latin America.

      By the way, there was a really fascinating AP story about a related US attempt to disrupt this sovereign nation: USAID covertly set up a fake twitter service, complete with shell companies, executives recruited on false pretexts, and so on. It reads like a bad spy novel, until you realize how sad it is that this counts as "development". If these were my taxdollars at work, I'd go see about that pitchfork.

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    6. Re:The sheer volume! by MobSwatter · · Score: 2

      Yes, Cuba too is targeted by corporate America, its not just for the citizens of the US anymore.

  2. They might be right. by jcr · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the level of brain-dead scheme that the CIA has pulled many times in the past, but it's just as likely that they're just getting overwhelmed by one incompetent spammer with a fat pipe...

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    1. Re:They might be right. by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the level of brain-dead scheme that the CIA has pulled many times in the past, but it's just as likely that they're just getting overwhelmed by one incompetent spammer with a fat pipe...

      -jcr

      Not sure how fat of a pipe you need to send roughly 17 text messages a second. But 300k text messages over 5 hours isn't really that much, unless they are going to a small amount of numbers. Must be running some old systems in Cuba.

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    2. Re:They might be right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you read the article it's unlikely that it's a spammer. Apparently the USA has actively spammed Cuba in the past under the argument of 'fostering free speech'. We built and distributed programs that are illegal in Cuba. It would be similar to people from Iraqi coming over to the USA and physically forcing as many people as they could to wear headscarfs under the argument of improving our morals. They have no more right to force their values on us as we do to force our values on Cuba's population.

      Our government confirms it had these programs. They were stopped due to funding cuts (some funding cuts actually work, yay!). This article isn't about the 300,000 text messages that are known to have been sent by USA back in 2009, but about Cuba's new claim that the USA has refunded and restarted it's spamming efforts. I really hope we're not wasting money on crap like this.

    3. Re:They might be right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I work at an SMS aggregator. We are the fat pipe. We run at a peak capacity of 2000 messages per second per connection to an operator. Cuba has one operator (officially).

      Operators are capable of handling more than we can send, but in that 5 hours we could have flooded their network with 36m messages. 300k is a drop in the bucket.

      If we used multiple routes instead of direct to the operator, we could have run hundreds of millions in that same period.

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    4. Re:They might be right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thanks for trying to post some truth, but between the government astroturf and the useful idiots there is not much chance anyone will pay attention.

    5. Re:They might be right. by michaelwigle · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what you're saying is you would like an opportunity to bid on the contract the next time the project comes up? ;)

  3. Re:The amusing thing is... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are hardly a dangerous player in Cold War intrigue anymore; but I wouldn't necessarily underestimate the supply of nostalgic B-list and below feds just itching to go fight the last war, now set to 'casual' difficulty level.

    Unless they truly fuck something up, people just keep accruing seniority until they die or finally become too senile to disguise their senility. We still have some years left before we've aged out all the cold warriors.

  4. Accused? We planned to do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We had all kinds of crazy ideas for killing Castro. 10 Ways the CIA tried to kill Castro

  5. Re:if i was in charge of an island nation by BitZtream · · Score: 2

    Filtered... nice.

    North Korea, Iran, Syria ... is that you guys?

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  6. Re:The amusing thing is... by jandersen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another, perhaps less amusing thing is that the US actually do care; at least as long as there is a noisy group of displaced, Cuban voters to please.

  7. Re:The amusing thing is... by Johann+Lau · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idiotic thing is that you think "the US" is a monolith, instead of a bunch of agencies made up by people, with plenty of incentive to use tax payer money for useless or even counterproductive things, like attacking Iraq in response to 9/11, or killing kids with drones. If anything, "The US" isn't in the business of dealing with threats, it's in the business of creating them while talking about mushroom clouds and fucking its own population as it jumps on chairs in fear of imaginary mice; and the population responds with hollow chauvinistic sound bites aimed about other populations to make itself feel better about it. You're pinned to the floor, get fleeced for everything of value you got, and scream "ahhh! sweet victory!" because it's even worse elsewhere. Fucking pathetic.

  8. Re:The amusing thing is... by romco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >feds just itching to go fight the last war

    I don't think the feds want to go to war. Cuba is communist and parts of it work. (like health care for the amount they spend). If they lifted the embargo and stop messing with them they could become a very successful communist country.

    The success would be more due to them being a great tourist location and less because they are communist but the right wing is simply not going to tolerate a successful communist county if they can do anything about it.

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  9. Re:The amusing thing is... by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .. that the Cuban government still think the US gives a damn about their 3rd world Island apart from Guantanamo Bay. Since the USSR collapsed its been pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things other than a source of refugees and comedy revolutionaries in green slacks with silly beards.

    Well, the problem is that there are some people who do care and their influence is way out of whack with regards to their actual numbers. There are a small number of members of the US House and Senate who are offspring of Cuban refugees and they have a lot of influence. The younger generation of people who immigrated many years ago has little interest in continuing the embargo, but there are still enough of the old hardcore anti-Castro people in Florida that no president is willing to undo the embargo for fear of the next presidential election going against his party. Florida is a hotly contested state that gives a very thin majority to whoever wins it in the presidential elections. Florida has a lot of electoral votes. So if you piss off, say, 40 or 50 thousand voters who care a lot (maybe too much) about the Castro brothers and Cuba, you could lose the next presidential election. So the president never has the courage to drop the embargo as either he or his party's next candidate will face angry voters in the next presidential election and it could be enough to decide the race in favor of the other party. It's rather remarkable to see an entire country held hostage to the whims of a really small group of people over one issue, but that's exactly how it is here.

  10. Re:The amusing thing is... by DriveDog · · Score: 2

    Finally somebody's getting at what's behind all the meddling in Cuba. Virulent anti-Castro Cuban ex-pats hold a lot of political sway, and giving them what they want doesn't annoy many other US citizens. So they get what they want because the cost to politicians is near zero. Never mind that Cuba isn't the falling domino threatening to take the rest of Latin America to communism that it was thought to be 50 years ago and really has little effect on anyone outside its borders. Sure, there are a few dinosaurs and misadventurers in the US government or three-letter-agencies, but they wouldn't get funding if it weren't for the ex-pats' influence. Shouldn't funds go instead to countering real threats like Bermuda, the Canaries, and Palmyra?

  11. Cuba? by snemiro · · Score: 2

    Still with that? Obviously big fishes are pocketing tons of taxpayers money with this scam.....and those guys will never cut the flow, on both sides of the story. Reality is, no govt really cares about the people.