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Is Germany Raising a Generation of Illiterates?

StartsWithABang (3485481) writes "Over at Starts With A Bang, the weekly question comes in from Germany, where we're informed: 'In Germany, many teachers have adopted a new way of teaching children to write properly. The way is called "Writing by Reading" and essentially says: Write as you wish, you're not bound by any rules. Recently, this way of teaching has been heavily criticized [link in German], but not before it has been "tested" on several years of school children.' The reading wars have been going on in the US, too, but will this wind up having a negative outcome? Or, as this piece argues, is it likely to be a wash?"

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  1. Can the writings be read? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I take value in writing correctly (my native tongue is Dutch, not English, in case anybody finds errors).
    But language is not something defined by laws; it is alive, changing and evolving all the time.
    I may enjoy writing following proper grammar rules, but that's just my personal preference and just because I like it, doesn't mean everybody should do so.
    If the text written using this method can be read as easy and fast as text written according to the rules, what really is the problem?

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    1. Re:Can the writings be read? by GenieGenieGenie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People who are encouraged as kids to be sloppy about their writing tend to emerge from adolescence sloppy about their thinking too. This is a cliche but it is, unfortunately, quite an accurate one. There are exceptions to every rule, of course, but where I live there is a generation of people who can't spell or read efficiently and this is reflected in how shallow their thoughts are.

    2. Re:Can the writings be read? by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Language rules are critical to communication. Eventually if too many linguistic rules and word meanings are discarded, communication becomes essentially impossible as statements don't have the same meaning to both parties in the discussion. There are some rules that don't make a lot of sense, but they are what they are and mostly need to be adhered to in order to ensure that communication can happen.

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    3. Re:Can the writings be read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      But language is not something defined by laws; it is alive, changing and evolving all the time.

      Which is of course regulated by law, for German the Duden holds the currently recognized words and their correct spellings as well as meanings in common use.

      If the text written using this method can be read as easy and fast as text written according to the rules, what really is the problem?

      The linked German article has a nice, short example "Die Bollizei isst da", "The police eats there" where the correct spelling "Die Polizei ist da" would mean "the police is here". As can be seen the few wrong letters in Polizei wont cause any confusion, however other words are not blessed with that much error correcting redundancy - "ist" being and "isst" eating mean completely different things.

      Even if you manage to correct these errors from the context they appear in it makes the texts harder to read. Most texts it is likely that they will be written once and read a many times, with basic "Textverständniss" reading comprehension already being a problem for some having texts easy to understand is important and avoids misunderstandings.

    4. Re:Can the writings be read? by houghi · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are some rules that don't make a lot of sense, but they are what they are and mostly need to be adhered to in order to ensure that communication can happen.

      Dutch has had several changes over the last 100 years. This is to follow the evolution of language.

      I do not believe English has had the same done to it. Otherwise you would not end up with something like:
      Dearest creature in creation,

        Study English pronunciation.
        I will teach you in my verse
        Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
        I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
        Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
        Tear in eye, your dress will tear,
        So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

        Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
        Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
        We say hallowed but allowed,
        People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
        Mark the differences, moreover,
        Between mover, cover, clover;
        Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
        Chalice, but police and lice;
        Camen, constable, unstable,
        Principle, disciple, label.

      The trest can be read right here. Read it out loud the first time you read it. You will start to wonder what is so adhered in the language.

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  2. Re:u can rite any way u want by rrohbeck · · Score: 5, Funny

    This seems perfectly par for the course as far as Internet comments go.

  3. Is something being casually elided here? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize that Slashdot Summaries are one of the important, protected, habitats of a mixture of questionable proofreading and overt editorializing; but isn't something important being left out here?

    The scheme in question is known as 'write by reading'. This apparently boils down to 'write however you want', according to a blog post that barely touches on the matter aside from a link to a German newspaper. Is it possible that this 'write by reading' theory involves some 'reading' somewhere? Maybe the notion that children will pick up grammar by exposure to it, which would make spending the time previously allocated to Learning Your Grammar Rules Children on reading things that are both examples of good writing and also useful, interesting, or otherwise better than distilled essence of grammar a plausible alternative?

    Now, I'd be the first to agree that the standards of pedagogical research are... notably tepid... and education is much ruled by fads, many with little or no basis in evidence beyond anecdotes; but can we really have a useful discussion if we are going to start from a position of such inspiring intellectual honesty?

    The question: "Do children pick up grammar from exposure to well written, but not otherwise grammar focused, texts sufficiently efficiently that we are better off skipping the lessons in pure grammar in favor of receiving the grammar as a side effect of reading that will also have other uses?" is a perfectly reasonable one, and it isn't immediately obvious which side the facts would come down on, so some research would be nice; but I'm pretty sure that 'Writing by Reading' is not actually a polite expression for 'Thare iz no ruls in Sckool.'

  4. Re:u can rite any way u want by MakubeX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm torn between the issue. I discovered old letters in my house from the 1800's and was able to glimpse in the past of how life was like back then. The letters had their words written phonetically, and while I did "notice" what I perceived to be errors at the time, I did understand the letter and remembered that eduction wasn't necessarily standardized back then and not everyone had access or could afford to attend school.

    Fast forward to today and a part of me believes that if an educator is actually teaching words and meanings to students that their should be actually definitive meanings for terms when given the chance. We know that written language is derived from verbal communication which is why we used phonetics in the first place. So, for example, if a teacher was teaching the world "there" without a definitive meaning, then students would always have to rely on context clues to figure out if the communicator is saying the equivalent to "there, their, or they're". Which can become even more confusing if there are other words that are also homophones in the same sentence.

    Granted we already did with this when we speak, but if you are reading words, then there is the chance to be explicit and avoid the confusion from the beginning as you can specify intent with words.

    Again, I'm not the grammar police (English was always my worst subject), but I'm torn between if grammar is overbearing or necessary. Instructions are clearer when a standard exists, but then again someone being pedantic about bad grammar (commas) when the meaning clearly gets across merely seems to belittle someone to feel superior about something irrelevant to the topic. Case and point, when I write a paragraph to defeat someone's argument and they point out that I didn't capitalize a nationality, inferring my argument is thus invalid.

    -my 2 cents

  5. Re:u can rite any way u want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm hungry. Lets eat grandma!

    I'm hungry. Lets eat, grandma!

  6. Re:u can rite any way u want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You troglodyte.

    There should be an apostrophe in there.