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Lying Eyes: Cyborg Glasses Simulate Eye Expressions

Posted by samzenpus on from the all-the-better-to-see-you-with dept.

Rambo Tribble (1273454) writes "A researcher in Japan has taken what is, perhaps, the next step after Google Glass: Glasses which produce animated images of the user's eyes to simulate emotional responses. They are intended to aid workers in emotionally-intensive environments. As the researcher explains, '... they allowed others to feel they were "cared" about ...'"

56 comments

  1. authenticity by kruach+aum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would anyone interpret simulated expressions as genuine other than to delude themselves? And if you're willing to delude yourself, you could also just interpret apathy as caring. I don't understand how this is supposed to work.

    1. Re:authenticity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this works in Japan. You may die from overworking but nobody will notice it for at least a week (of course you might also want to mask the odour of decomposing corpse).

    2. Re:authenticity by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone interpret simulated expressions as genuine other than to delude themselves? And if you're willing to delude yourself, you could also just interpret apathy as caring. I don't understand how this is supposed to work.

      Maybe the same reason that it's easier to suspend disbelief when staring at a TV show instead of a blank wall?

      Because you could just imagine the action and adventure without any visual aid, but it's easier with one.

    3. Re:authenticity by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 2

      I really don't know. Maybe some sex line operator can inform you? Given their abundance, I think enough people like to be fooled.

      What is more scary is that this can be used on people who just don't know any better and react to instincts. In other words: babies. Would a baby accept a robot nanny as its mum in the future?

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    4. Re:authenticity by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

      But my imagination never suffers from bad actors, dumb dialogue or terrible cgi. The point of movies, tv shows and especially books is not that they make it easier to imagine, but that they can show you things you wouldn't have thought of by yourself, which is not applicable in the emo-glasses situation.

    5. Re:authenticity by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Surely I'm not the only one who finds this ... well... a bit creepy?

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    6. Re:authenticity by Schiphol · · Score: 1

      Probably because, as a matter of empirical psychological fact, you would find the latter impossible and the former irresistible.

    7. Re:authenticity by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Ever looked at a cartoon, or illustrated character? It's human instinct. We can interpret emotion in just two dots an a line :) Illustrated characters can easily express hyper-emotional levels far beyond what a real face could manage, an ability often utilised for dramatic or comedic effect. It wouldn't be a matter of willingness to delude onesself - even if you know the emotion is fake, it would take a deliberate effort not to be deluded subconsciously.

    8. Re:authenticity by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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    9. Re:authenticity by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Well there is research showing that it is hard to be analytic and empathetic at the same time. That is why a lot of Doctors who are treating difficult cases, seem very detached from the patients, it isn't because they are just a nasty person. But because they are trying to solve your problem, and that gets in the way of being empathetic.
      The same thing with tech people, it IS NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE AUTISM or some other issue, but because we are thinking analytically pushing aside our empathy.

      Even if we know this, we really don't like it. So while your MD is treating your case, and somehow he seems to be making eye contact to you and seems like he actually gives a shit about your condition and not just enjoying the complexity of the case. You feel better emotionally, he feel better as you are not getting pissy with him, while he is trying to think on how to do his job and make you physically better.

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    10. Re:authenticity by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      If I understand, your question is basically, "why is the human brain's amygdala hard-wired to produce emotional responses in this way?"

      There's no really good answer, other than "it just is" and maybe some handwaving about evolutionary psychology.

    11. Re:authenticity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you would never listen to a song twice because once you've thought of what's in it the song itself is pointless?

    12. Re:authenticity by ggraham412 · · Score: 1

      Maybe this has greater applicability in robotics? It's probably cheaper to outfit a robot with a pair of these glasses that try to mimic the complex expressions of eye movements with tiny motors.

    13. Re:authenticity by hey! · · Score: 1

      What about acting? Or fiction? These are artificial experiences that evoke real emotional responses. Once the right buttons in your brain are pushed, most of your brain can't tell the difference between what is real and what is synthetic.

      Granted, authenticity in human interactions is important, but it's overrated. Fake engagement often is a perfectly acceptable substitute. Situations where people put considerable effort into *seeming* pleasant usually *are* more pleasant than they would be if everyone felt free to paste their indifference to you right on their faces.

      So this is a very interesting technology. What's disturbing about it isn't that people might be fooled into thinking the user is truly interested; it's that the user himself no longer puts any effort into creating that illusion. What if that effort is in itself something important? What if fake engagement is often the prelude to real engagement? Maybe you have to start with polite interest and work your way up to the real thing; I suspect the dumber parts of your brain can't tell the difference. If that's true, taking the user's brain out of the interaction means that interaction will automatically be trapped on a superficial level. This already happens in bureaucratic situations where employees are reduce to rules-following automatons. Take the brain out of the equation and indifference follows.

      I suspect that the researchers are well aware of these issues; I believe that I discern a certain deadpan, ironic puckishness on their part. People who truly view engagement with other people as an unwelcome burden don't work on technologies that mediate between people.

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    14. Re:authenticity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You have to understand Japanese society. It's complicated but basically people in service industries ate expected to have a "service attitude" all the time. It's hard for them to maintain that, so assuming this could be developed to the point where it were not uncanny there might be uses for it. Look at it this way, everyone knows that the "service attitude" isn't the person's real feeling anyway, so this isn't any more fake.

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    15. Re:authenticity by ZeroPly · · Score: 1

      I don't know... I've been around a few people who are holding on to that last rung by their fingernails, and you'd be surprised at how little it takes for them to think that someone cares...

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    16. Re:authenticity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but you forget.. this is in Japan. The land of virtual girlfriends, manga for adults, etc.

    17. Re:authenticity by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      But my imagination never suffers from bad actors, dumb dialogue or terrible cgi.

      Wow, really?

  2. Surrogates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the first step...

  3. why stop there? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    Just simulate the whole face ... we won't even have to show up!

    1. Re:why stop there? by hodet · · Score: 1

      "Hey man, I have bad news. I have cancer."

      Friend: rolls eyes.

  4. Uncanny valley. by drolli · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow they just managed to create uncanny deep holes to fall into.

  5. But what ... is it good for? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Either the person looking at me cares about how I feel. Then he will be pissed that I try to delude him.

    Or he doesn't give a shit how I feel. Then it does not matter what I look like.

    And now tell me again why I'd want to spend money on that.

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  6. Get a dog by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dogs always give you the feeling that they care about you. The wagging tail, the dumb look in the face, the tongue hanging down to the ground . . .

    Forget cats, though. You could sink in quicksand if front of a cat, and it will barely give you a glance the entire time.

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    1. Re:Get a dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, the times my cat has been worried about me, he paced and howled, trying to get me to leave what he perceived as a threat to me.

  7. Ice Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you see it!

  8. kawaii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now what's missing are some pointy kitten ears to show me when the boy is pretending to be listening to me.

  9. language of the heart foolproof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for both the talker & the talkee http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=native+spirit+language+heart despite a poor spiritless beginning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88k2imkGIFA new clear options remain

  10. Psychopathic training wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you no longer need to wear the glasses, son, you will be ready.

  11. The eyes... by puddingebola · · Score: 2

    The eyes are the window to the soul. Perhaps in a job that requires that people show empathy and understanding at all times this is too demanding, but what does it mean when we make an electronic device to simulate emotions we aren't feeling. I am skeptical that people want to use something like this, but I could be wrong. I guess in the 80's we had mirror shades to hide a person's eyes, and other people looking at them could see themselves. Maybe this is just an extension of the technology of emotional distance.

    1. Re:The eyes... by sunsurfandsand · · Score: 1

      I'm getting these for my girlfriend...the one I'm building in the garage.

  12. so...emoticons? by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    This is not "innovation" or a new "tech frontier"

    This is reductive design, with the human usage of the tech as almost an afterthought

    Anyone who spends any budget money on this shit is a total idiot

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  13. Re:Zontar the Mindless: Eat your Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show us a post where I put up material on hosts where it doesn't apply.

    Um, this one right here?

    You dislike Zontar. Fine. We get it.

    Why don't you just go back to "annihilating" ars, and why don't you put
    127.0.0.1 slashdot.org

    In your damn hosts file.

  14. Sincerity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once you can fake that, you've got it made.

  15. How do you see? by Yebyen · · Score: 1

    Did anyone watch the video and notice that there's no way to actually see when you're wearing these?

    This technology is obviously not ready for prime time...

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  16. maybe useful for autistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    facial expressions on demand. I could see this as being very useful for training people with Autistic spectrum disorders such as aspergers on different types of facial expressions. Give them a much greater EQ.

  17. The winking Virus and demon eyes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if it gets a virus and starts winking at any females in the room? OR, if I get angry will it do demon eyes?

    1. Re:The winking Virus and demon eyes by r_a_trip · · Score: 1

      Well, if it does demon eyes, I want one. I've been dying for the ability to flash the proverbial eyes that can kill.

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  18. So now we fake emotions technologically? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    All to make a quick buck. Despicable and repulsive.

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    1. Re:So now we fake emotions technologically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's an upgrade from the old technology (self help books about social skills)

  19. Other Uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Presumably, a production version of these will not be so obvious - instead looking like a pair of regular glasses.

    I want that in order to screw with the rise of CCTV cameras backed by facial recognition databases. I don't care about faking emotions, I want to fake things like the size of my eyes and brow as well as the distance between my eyes and with respect to my nose. Those characteristics are a major part of modern facial recog algorithms. If you can convince the system that your eyes are closer together than they really are, then it becomes a lot harder for them to pull up a match from the database.

    1. Re:Other Uses by PPH · · Score: 1

      Cheap solution

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    2. Re:Other Uses by mikael · · Score: 1

      Koreans have the solution - note-pad eye glasses:

      http://www.funshop.co.kr/goods...

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  20. Re:Zontar the Mindless: Eat your Words by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Speaking of "creepy"...

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  21. Use Case by bradgoodman · · Score: 1

    I could use them for my wife long dissertations about "how her day was"...

    1. Re:Use Case by mevets · · Score: 1

      Donâ(TM)t worry. I have a feeling you wonâ(TM)t have to put up with that for much longer.

  22. Successful Glasses by cstacy · · Score: 2

    The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made.

  23. Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose it was inevitable someone would automate the process of pretending to give a sh*t.

  24. Hey Al - please stop behaving like a child. by mmell · · Score: 1
    I'm afraid your anonymity is no longer effective. I'm relatively certain your invective never was.

    If you feel you've been wronged, how about demonstrating how you've been wronged instead of demonstrating that you deserve what you've gotten?

  25. Oh, I get it now. by mmell · · Score: 1
    You're just butt-hurt because your pet website only has 533 FB "likes" and now you're taking it out on Slashdot, Ars Technica, Windows IT Pro forums and anybody else you feel has "wronged" you by not bowing before you and crying out "we're not worthy"!

    You just keep bringing it on yourself.

  26. Simpsons did it by gijoel · · Score: 1

    Fantastic. I could wear it during jury duty. And no one would know I was asleep.

  27. All your sockpuppet downmods = zilch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    "for a crapware host files app that nobody in his right mind wants to allow anywhere close to his system" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Wednesday April 16, 2014 @12:24PM (#46769393) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    You say my program's crapware?

    Disprove 17 points here showing hosts give uses more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity then since YOu say my program's "crapware" http://start64.com/index.php?o...

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    "You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Show us a post where I put up material on hosts where it doesn't apply.

    You can't, can you? Nope - That makes YOU a liar.

    APK

    P.S.=> You FAIL, sockpuppeteer troll...

    ... apk