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Experts Say Hitching a Ride In an Airliner's Wheel Well Is Not a Good Idea

Hugh Pickens DOT Com (2995471) writes "Hasani Gittens reports that as miraculous as it was that a 16-year-old California boy was able to hitch a ride from San Jose to Hawaii and survive, it isn't the first time a wheel-well stowaway has lived to tell about it. The FAA says that since 1947 there have been 105 people who have tried to surreptitiously travel in plane landing gear — with a survival rate of about 25 percent. But agency adds that the actual numbers are probably higher, as some survivors may have escaped unnoticed, and bodies could fall into the ocean undetected. Except for the occasional happy ending, hiding in the landing gear of a aircraft as it soars miles above the Earth is generally a losing proposition. According to an FAA/Wright State University study titled 'Survival at High Altitudes: Wheel-Well Passengers,' at 20,000 feet the temperature experienced by a stowaway would be -13 F, at 30,000 it would be -45 in the wheel well — and at 40,000 feet, the mercury plunges to a deadly -85 F (PDF). 'You're dealing with an incredibly harsh environment,' says aviation and security expert Anthony Roman. 'Temperatures can reach -50 F, and oxygen levels there are barely sustainable for life.' Even if a strong-bodied individual is lucky enough to stand the cold and the lack of oxygen, there's still the issue of falling out of the plane. 'It's almost impossible not to get thrown out when the gear opens,' says Roman.

So how do the lucky one-in-four survive? The answer, surprisingly, is that a few factors of human physiology are at play: As the aircraft climbs, the body enters a state of hypoxia—that is, it lacks oxygen—and the person passes out. At the same time, the frigid temperatures cause a state of hypothermia, which preserves the nervous system. 'It's similar to a young kid who falls to the bottom of an icy lake," says Roman. "and two hours later he survives, because he was so cold.'"

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  1. Thank goodness for these experts. by BitterOak · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm glad the "experts" cleared that up for me. I guess I'll have to change my vacation plans!

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    1. Re:Thank goodness for these experts. by gargleblast · · Score: 2

      Now I'm waiting for a community service announcement like this one in an old episode of The Young Ones. Fast forward to 5:07 :

      "The BBC would like to warn all small children that pushing people inside old fridges is a bloody stupid thing to do."

  2. Missed the obvious... by GrahamCox · · Score: 2

    Never mind the lack of oxygen and the cold, what about simply getting crushed when the gear is retracted? That's game over at 200 ft.

    1. Re:Missed the obvious... by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Depends on the aircraft type. In the main wheel bay of an A330 you can easily fit a whole family, since the bay is the same size as that of an A340 which has an extra body gear. Some aircraft also have versions with or without an extra fuel tank in the belly, and that space is usually wide open if this extra fuel tank isn't installed.

      In one company I used to fly for, someone had flown multiple legs in an A330's wheel bay before his body was finally found when someone noticed a strange smell... According to the report I read, he might have survived the first leg from Africa but remained unconscious and then died on the second leg. I don't remember after how many flights he was finally found.

    2. Re:Missed the obvious... by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to this article, it seems that many of the people who do survive, do so because the flights were shorter.

    3. Re:Missed the obvious... by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      I think the obvious thing missing is the two giant elephants in the room.

      1) If a 15 year old boy can do this so can someone with a bomb. Where are the cameras and the
      security guards watching the cameras. It's much easier to find someone to plant a bomb on a plane
      if they don't also have to be a passenger. We should stop strip searching the passengers and spend
      this money on actually monitoring the runway.

      2) This is not the first time that extreme cold + lack of oxygen has caused a human to go into suspended
      animation. I would love to see more research on exploiting this for trauma victims and space travel.

      The kid is just a single stupid kid that got incredible lucky. Interesting soundbite but that's about it.
      I think longterm (for everyone except the kid), these other two points are way more important.

    4. Re:Missed the obvious... by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      That only exists in the movies :-)

      Since the aircraft needs to be pressurized, the number of hatches to get in and out of the cabin is limited as much as possible. This avoids depressurization through leaking or damaged hatches. Some long haul aircraft have a large electronics bay with access from both inside and outside, but on most aircraft you can only get into the cabin via the doors.

  3. Survivor: Wheel Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    i'd watch it.

  4. Survival rate under-estimated? by hogghogg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If people who die in a wheel well always have their dead bodies discovered, while *some* of the people who survive a wheel-well journey don't -- they sneak out on the tarmac undetected -- then the survival rate of 25 percent must be an under-estimate, or at least is potentially an under-estimate.

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    1. Re:Survival rate under-estimated? by jarfil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they fall into the ocean when the gears open, many dead may have not been discovered either.

    2. Re:Survival rate under-estimated? by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Then again some of those may have been alive! ;D

    3. Re:Survival rate under-estimated? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless you are one serious badass, you won't be in the mood for much 'sneaking' after a few hours of hypothermia and hypoxia. If your luck holds, you didn't die or get violently ejected at a lethal altitude; but you've still been in a state closer to 'amateur hibernation', not one of our strong points, than anything else. You'll probably just lie on the tarmac defrosting and then maybe try some experimental crawling.

    4. Re:Survival rate under-estimated? by multi+io · · Score: 2

      Yeah, at least until they hit the water at 700km/h...

      Eh, terminal velocity in the lower atmosphere is abound 250 km/h. Not that it would make much of a difference though.

    5. Re:Survival rate under-estimated? by rgbatduke · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, terminal SPEED is the result of drag forces that scale like bv^2 opposing motion. The horizontal velocity component v_0 decays to zero like, lessee, v_x(t) = mv_0/(b v_0 t + m), just as the vertical component approaches the value where drag force balances gravitation like a hyperbolic tangent with a similar characteristic time. The real question is how long one is in the air relative to the drag and mass, that is, if dimensionless b v_0 t/m >> 1. A small person wearing a big puffy jacket (small m, large b) might do much better than a big guy wearing a tight wetsuit. With a v_0 on the order of hundreds of meters per second and greater than terminal speed, one of the times it is actually better to fall from a larger height rather than a smaller one to allow initial speed to decay to terminal speed.

      There are a number of cases on record of people falling out of moving airplanes (presumably travelling at speeds order of 300 to 800 kph, well above terminal speed) who survived, usually by falling into deep snow, soft plowed fields, just the right patch of springy trees. A VERY few weren't even terribly injured. And you are dead right -- water, an incompressible fluid, is literally "as hard as concrete" when struck at high speed. Because it isn't compressible, the collision has to literally move the quite massive water out of the way. People who jump from bridges don't always or even generally drown -- they break bones, rupture their body cavity, suffer massive internal brain trauma. There is an amusing, not-quite-tongue-in-cheek section in the Worst Case Scenario Survival Guide on surviving a fall out of a plane several kilometers high over water. Falling bluff (maximize b), turning vertical at the last moment, enter feet first and streamlined and keep those butt-cheeks clenched as we don't want to explode our intestines via a power enema.

      With luck one breaks ones legs, pops a few disks, remains conscious, floats back to the surface in time to breathe, and can then stay afloat with broken legs and internal injuries until somebody pulls you out of the water and gets you to medical care. I'm sure one "can" learn to enter the water perfectly enough to do better than this -- cliff divers manage it at a significant fraction of terminal speed -- but it's one of those experiences most of us would be better off avoiding...:-)

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  5. Physically Impossible by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mercury can't plunge to -85 degrees Fahrenheit. It solidifies at -37.8922 degrees Fahrenheit. Fail.

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    1. Re:Physically Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mercury can't plunge to -85 degrees Fahrenheit. It solidifies at -37.8922 degrees Fahrenheit. Fail.

      -85 F is approximately 210 K. Mercury can plunge damn close to that as a liquid.

      You just need a near-vacuum.

      Somewhat ironic that you failed to consider the effect of pressure on phase, especially given this was referencing a high-altitude LOW PRESSURE scenario, but you pedantically cited the freezing point value at standard pressure.

      Ouch.

    2. Re:Physically Impossible by vikingpower · · Score: 2

      MINUS 39something, mister. You are on about PLUS 40. 79 Fahrenheit off. You should check your numbers before spouting statements with such arrogance.

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    3. Re:Physically Impossible by Talderas · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pedant troll failure out pedanted by pedant.

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    4. Re:Physically Impossible by gsslay · · Score: 2

      So explain why a stowaway is carrying mercury in an open container?

      Don't they have enough on their hands without probably mercury poisoning? Is it really going to be packed with "things I'll need on the flight".

  6. Look at the bright side! by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No annoying seat neighbors. No screaming kids within earshot. Not getting groped and molested while going through security. You can bring any amount of liquids. You can even bring and consume your own alcohol. Etc ..

  7. What I want to know is ... by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why do they bother with all of the ridiculous security protocols for airline passengers when apparently it's pretty easy to sneak a 16-year-old-kid-sized bomb into the wheel well of an aircraft on the tarmac?

    So much neater and easier than trying to sneak weapons through airport security. And the best part is, you don't have to commit suicide to take the plane down.

    Seriously, airplane security is clearly full of holes and the sham of passenger security checks is just that, a sham meant to make us 'feel' safe while wasting our time and shoveling tons of dollars to the TSA.

    1. Re:What I want to know is ... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, airplane security is clearly full of holes and the sham of passenger security checks is just that, a sham meant to make us 'feel' safe while wasting our time and shoveling tons of dollars to the TSA.

      Well, any good government repression solves multiple problems, but the point of TSA is behavioral conditioning - giving away tons of money to political cronies is just a bonus.

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    2. Re:What I want to know is ... by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2

      airplane security is clearly full of holes

      I had to reread that a few times to realize you didn't forget an 'A'.

    3. Re:What I want to know is ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You want really scary: Off the shelf 10-20kg RC Plane packed full of explosives and with an FPV system to make a simple and cheap guided missile. They can be made fast enough to keep up with a plane just after takeoff or before landing, or while it is flying in the ATC pattern. Might not even be seen at night (though I guess they have bird warning systems).

      Or what if someone lands an explosive filled drone on a taxiing plane and latches on, detonating during or after takeoff.

      With modern RC autopilots they can even be automated. Just program multicopter autopilot to go and sit stationary 10m off the middle of the runway, if you aren't moving then radar is probably unlikely to see you.

      High speed trains are even worse. No way can they guard hundreds of miles of track against anvils being tossed onto them (or bombs put in their exceptionally predictable (in both time and location) path).

      Or what if someone programs a drone to fly a nail bomb into a crowded stadium, or the Kabah during Haj. GPS means they can be launched hundreds of miles away.

      One can only come to the conclusion that either the terrorists are remarkably incompetent/unimaginative, or that they are basically non-existant, and we are wasting our time and money doing anything at all.

    4. Re:What I want to know is ... by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      I think it is a mix of all of the above. Terrorists are rare (not quite non-existent) and are obviously incompetent and unimaginative. At most airports, one could fill an entire full-sized bus with explosives as long as it was labelled "Hertz" on the side, drive it right up to a place in front of the main terminal, and detonate it as a suicide bomber on any of the busy travel days of the year. If one wore the right uniform, one could probably get out, walk around to the off-side of the bus, jump into a getaway car, and get several hundred meters away before remote detonating with a phone call to a cell-phone detonator and actually escape in the resulting panic and confusion. One could do this at sports arenas, shopping malls, on large bridges. A full size bus would hold easily 5 to 10 tons of homemade explosive, and a really smart terrorist could amplify a smaller amount with aerosolized gasoline dispersed immediately before the detonation via compressed air and gasoline in tanks (the military has a similar super-bomb that has a devastating effect).

      Then yes, small airplanes are trivial -- for a smart, well-funded non-suicidal terrorist -- to convert into GPS guided cruise missiles, and the idea of the kamakazi -- a suicidal human guided cruise missile -- is now seventy years old, not even a new concept. Indeed, it's a good thing there aren't too many truly sociopathic people and that true sociopaths and religious or political zealots (is there a difference?) are often pretty stupid, unimaginative and so on.

      And yeah, they probably are opposed by occult counterterrorist forces that reduce the frequency of "smart" attacks like 9/11. So there might have been any number of additional attacks that were foiled. It isn't completely trivial to assemble the ingredients for large quantities of homemade explosives, and making explosives at home is a good way to end up aerosolized yourself. To do a good job of making something with a lot of power that is stable enough to transport and detonate on demand rather than when you sneeze, one has to use pure ingredients, strong chemistry-fu, precise temperature regulation and so on or one ends up making nitrate-based "stable" explosive stuff with all sorts of side compounds that detonate if you look at them funny. The feds keep careful tabs on high quality nitrates (fertilizer, nitric acid) that are often a primary ingredient. So even a lot of deranged psychopaths might have difficulty assembling the ingredients for making a bomb like that used in Oklahoma City and combining them and transporting them without killing themselves, their families (if any) and a number of their neighbors.

      But still, in the end we are remarkably dependent on the general goodwill and sanity of our co-humans. Lots of people working together to make a stable, secure, moderately contented world are never guaranteed to succeed, but all it takes is one suicidally deranged and stupid sociopath to murder tens to hundreds of people or do millions in property damage; smart sociopaths can bump that pretty easily by orders of magnitude. Fortunately they are rare, and opposed by smart anti-sociopaths who at least sometimes succeed.

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    5. Re:What I want to know is ... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      I fly business class a fair amount - and when they serve lunch/dinner I get nice, metal forks, butter knives, and serrated steak knives. All served with a smile and an "enjoy your meal sir!"

      Why worry about smuggling a knife onto a plane? Just book business/first class, enjoy yourself one last time, and then do your worst with the tools the airline graciously provided for you.

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  8. Re:units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The way you spell and the asshole nature of your post suggests you, too, are American.

    Bunch of Americans calling each other assholes in here... yep, business as usual.

  9. Wheel-well traveling 101: by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Dress warmly. Even if the plane takes off in a tropical location. Make sure to cover exposed body parts - you don't want to pay with eary, fingers, toes or your nose for the trip.
    2. Bring oxygen (that's going to be the hard part. Several hours worth of oxygen).
    3. Familiarize yourself with various plane types so you don't get crushed by an unsuitable wheel well design.
    4. Secure yourself to the plane so you don't get thrown out during landing.

    1. Re:Wheel-well traveling 101: by geraud · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your points 1. and 2. are wrong. Have you read the article ? Hypothermia and hypoxia preserve the body during the flight.

    2. Re:Wheel-well traveling 101: by Ihlosi · · Score: 2
      Oxygen getting absorbed in your lungs depends on that pressure, less pressure, less oxygen gets to your blood.

      This is why you want to increases the ratio of oxygen in the gas mixture you breathe when ambient pressure drops. If ambient pressure is only 25% of what it is at sea level, you'll need to adjust the gas mixture to 80% O2, 20%N2 to have roughly the same partial pressure of oxygen.

      The acclimatization is more a matter of coping with the lower CO2 level (CO2 partial pressure also drops, causing the body to exhale more CO2, which causes hypocapnia and affects the acid-base-balance of the body and various other functions.).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

    3. Re:Wheel-well traveling 101: by will_die · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is more leg room in the wheel well.

    4. Re:Wheel-well traveling 101: by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is the pressure, only 26% at 10km of what you have on ground. Oxygen getting absorbed in your lungs depends on that pressure, less pressure, less oxygen gets to your blood.

      No, oxygen getting absorbed into your lungs depends on the partial pressure of oxygen in your breathing gas. Partial pressure is the pressure multiplied by the percentage of the gas in question.

      At sea level, the partial pressure of oxygen, ppO2 is 0.21, because the pressure is one atmosphere and the air is 21% oxygen. You can obviously survive just fine on a ppO2 of 0.21. If you're in an environment with 0.26 atm ambient pressure and breathing air, you're getting a ppO2 of 0.26 *0.21 = 0.05 atm. Generally, 0.16 atm is considered the minimum safe ppO2, though that's a pretty conservative number. But 0.05 is not enough to keep you alive. If you're breathing pure O2 at that pressure, though, the ppO2 is 0.26, which is higher than the ppO2 of air at sea level, so you'll be just fine (as long as you avoid freezing to death).

      Incidentally, SCUBA divers worry about excessively high ppO2 levels, because oxygen is toxic. Generally, divers try to keep their ppO2 below 1.4 atm, which means that breathing air becomes dangerous at depths greater than 220 feet (of course, at those depths the ppN2 of air is generally already having a huge narcotic effect so diving that deep on air is a bad idea for other reasons). For deeper dives, therefore, divers use gas mixtures with less O2.

      Such deep, technical, diving is pretty rare, though. What's very common is diving with air that has been enriched with additional O2, usually to 32% or 36% O2, called nitrox. The purpose of this is to lower ppN2 levels during the dive, to reduce nitrogen absorption by the tissues and therefore increase the amount of bottom time without needing decompression stops to safely offgas the N2. Many divers also think the higher O2 levels make them feel better during and after the dive. However, with 36% O2 (EAN36), ppO2 reaches 1.4 atm at only 128 feet so divers breathing nitrox have to be careful to stay shallower. Smart Nitrox divers test their breathing gas O2 percentage before every dive and calculate a floor below which they must not go.

      For example Mount Everest climbers, if they just ran from 0m to top of Everest they would pass out, extra oxygen or no.

      The top of Mount Everest is about 0.33 atm, which means a 100% O2 mixture would provide them with more oxygen than they get at sea level. The reason they have to acclimate first is that carrying enough O2 to breathe 100% O2 is impractical. It would require carrying thousands of cubic feet of compressed gas. By acclimating themselves they increase their bodies' ability to utilize lower ppO2 levels. Depending on their fitness levels and degree of acclimatization, they may be able to get to a point where they don't require supplemental oxygen. Most, though, will need some.

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  10. Re:units by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    It's just not Slashdot without the ad hominem metric flame. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

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  11. Flying experience by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    What I get out of this story is that, if you're lucky enough to survive the trip in the wheel well, it's much more convenient to travel this way than doing it the regular way: no queuing, no overcharging from the airlines, no restrictions on the amounts of liquids you can carry, no getting your gonads showered with x-rays, no groping from TSA perverts... and of course, no arbitrary, secret no-fly list that prevents you from boarding the plane in the first place.

    The airport security theater almost makes me want to risk my life as a stowaway.

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    1. Re:Flying experience by surmak · · Score: 2

      What I get out of this story is that, if you're lucky enough to survive the trip in the wheel well, it's much more convenient to travel this way than doing it the regular way: no queuing, no overcharging from the airlines, no restrictions on the amounts of liquids you can carry, no getting your gonads showered with x-rays, no groping from TSA perverts... and of course, no arbitrary, secret no-fly list that prevents you from boarding the plane in the first place.

      The airport security theater almost makes me want to risk my life as a stowaway.

      I'm not sure about that. For the (surviving) wheel-well travelers, all of that unpleasantness simply comes after the flight. They may not use the backscatter X-ray machine, but I'm sure there will be a far more thorough examination than the TSA would give you, which you will receive on a regular basis. There are also far more limits on what items you can bring with you, not just liquids.

      ...and after all that, you will likely have a good idea if you are on the no-fly list. (The answer will be yes)

  12. This warning reads like a challenge to me by Karmashock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... is that sick?

    So there are three factors that you need to deal with apparently.

    1. The cold.

    Solution: Get yourself a really good jacket. Something you could take to the north pole... should be enough.

    2. Lack of oxygen.

    Solution: Get yourself an O2 tank... The kind they take to Everest. Just something to supplement the air you're breathing.

    3. Falling out of the god damn airplane.

    Solution: Some basic mountaineering gear would likely do the trick. Just ropes and clamps.

    All told, what you seem to need are high altitude mountaineering gear. So, some cold weather gear, an oxygen bottle, and some ropes. Doubtless it would be a nasty ride but you'd probably survive.

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    1. Re:This warning reads like a challenge to me by mysidia · · Score: 2

      All told, what you seem to need are high altitude mountaineering gear. So, some cold weather gear, an oxygen bottle, and some ropes. Doubtless it would be a nasty ride but you'd probably survive.

      The only thing left is about... the crushing risk. And radical sudden air pressure changes you may be exposed to.

      Also... the difficulty of getting in and escaping while carrying all this gear.

      In this heavy winter gear... you will likely stand out for sure.

  13. Meanwhile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Normal People Also Say Hitching a Ride In an Airliner's Wheel Well Is Not a Good Idea"

  14. Re:units by Zdzicho00 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "By the end of the 20th century, most countries used the Celsius scale rather than the Fahrenheit scale. Fahrenheit remains the official scale for the following countries: the Bahamas, Belize, the Cayman Islands, Palau, and the United States and associated territories (Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands)."
    Yep. Archaic or just retarded?

  15. Units converted in celcius and metric by Barryke · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those outside of Lybia, USA, and Burma:

    "at 6 km the temperature experienced by a stowaway would be -25C, at 9,1 km it would be -45 in the wheel well — and at 12,2 km, the mercury plunges to a deadly -65C (PDF). "

    20,000 feet = 6km
    40,000 feet = 12,2km
    -13F = -25C
    -85F = -65C

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  16. Re:units by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 4, Informative

    The US gallon (3.78541 liters) is different than the Imperial gallon (4.54609 liters). Fluid ounces are different too. 128 US fluid oz in a US gallon, 160 imperial fluid ounces in an Imperial gallon. So a US oz is 1.04084 Imp oz.

  17. Young kids these days by confused+one · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bah. You kids these days...

    Back in my day, we didn't complain about the cold and lack of oxygen. We rode in unpressurized planes with open gun ports. Sure, it was cold -- we wore fur lined jackets and liked it. Our oxygen masks smelled like engine exhaust and we were grateful. You didn't here us whine about 'being crushed by landing gear' or 'being thrown from the plane'. We were being shot at. Hell, we were lucky to have landing gear at all when we got back.

    So, stop your bitching and get off my damn lawn.

    Written for my grandfather who manned a gun in a WWII bomber.

  18. Re:units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, there's such a thing as "US units"?

    Oh yes.
    The big gulp.
    The Supersize.
    The happy meal.

  19. Re:units by rgbatduke · · Score: 3, Funny

    Would that be a crazy diamond with a weight given in carats, or a crazy diamond with a weight given in SI kilograms?

    I'm just sayin'...

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  20. Re:units by gsslay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cos the equivalent in Celsius would just be totally confusing!

    40 = dangerously hot
    25 = warm
    0 = cold
    -20 = dangerously cold.

    I mean, who has the time for those crazy numbers?!

  21. Re:units by almitydave · · Score: 2

    Answering anonymous troll, I know, but the reason the US uses Imperial units is simply cultural momentum. We're used to these units and have learned them intuitively. Metric is taught in schools, used in science, and everyone with an education knows it and the approximate conversion factors (2.54, 3.3, 1.6, 2.2, 9/5+32, etc.), and maybe someday there'll be a switch - but the mathematical convenience is just not worth the cultural effort required right now.

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  22. Re:units by stepho-wrs · · Score: 2

    Likewise, I find Fahrenheit confusing every time I visit the US. 15-30C is comfortable (I live near a desert), 45C is try not to move weather (2 weeks in January) and 5C is wear a jacket weather. I can remember 100F only because I know it is body temperature (approx 37/38C). When visiting the US I usually make a little lookup table on a scrap of paper to convert between C and F.