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AT&T's Gigabit Smokescreen
Yesterday AT&T announced it would examine 100 cities and municipalities in the U.S., including 21 metropolitan areas, for introduction of gigabit fiber. Taken on its face, the announcement is the company's response to Google Fiber. But many were quick to note AT&T has promised nothing. Karl Bode at DSLReports went so far as to call AT&T's announcement a giant bluff.
"Ever since Google Fiber came on the scene, AT&T's response has been highly theatrical in nature. What AT&T would have the press and public believe is that they're engaged in a massive new deployment of fiber to the home service. What's actually happening is that AT&T is upgrading a few high-end developments where fiber was already in the ground (these users were previously capped at DSL speeds) and pretending it's a serious expansion of fixed-line broadband. It's not. At the same time AT&T is promising a massive expansion in fixed line broadband, they're telling investors they aren't spending much money on the initiative, because they aren't. AT&T's focus is on more profitable wireless. 'Gigapower' is a show pony designed to help the company pretend they're not being outmaneuvered in their core business by a search engine company."
If you expect me to believe this articles summary, that the worlds largest telecommunications monopoly and government spy against American citizens is lying about their services or speeds, then you clearly dont underst42t2$T%Y%[NO CARRIER]
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I applaud Google for actually fixing the problem in the USA. It serves AT&T and the other telco companies in America right, for taking $200 billion of government money and delivering nothing for it.
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AT&T has already been given Billions of dollars in tax incentives to deliver fiber optic cable based internet to your house.
According to the incentive plans these high speed internet connections should already be installed and functioning for pretty much every American at speeds averaging 45 Mbps upload and download. Every American taxpayer, that is not a provider of internet infrastructure, has taken on the burden of $2000.00 more in taxes in order to offset the incentives gives to AT&T and the baby bells.
Do you have your low cost, high speed fiber yet?
Smokescreen? I could be wrong but doesn't AT&T already own a lot of that cable that comes to a lot of houses right now? It seems to me like that would be the biggest hurdle in regards to rolling something like that.
Oh, yeah, this:
In February 2014, Google announced it had "invited cities in nine metro areas around the U.S.—34 cities altogether—to work with us to explore what it would take to bring them Google Fiber."
One shallow, useless promise begets another...
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My favourite quote comes from Karl Bode of DSLReports:
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As I read ATT's announcement, they've committed to four cities and are in discussions with twenty one more.
The response seems to be "They haven't committed to spending any money this year in those twenty one cities, this is clearly bogus!". Geez, don't they have anything important to write about?
Five years ago, AT&T announced an ambitious plan to roll out FTTC2DSL to millions of americans, and completed about half of that project two years ago.
Last year, the CEO of AT&T declared that AT&T would never again invest one more penny into expanding wireline infrastructure.
Now, they're promising 14B in new investment in both wireline and wireless.
I wish they'd make up their damn minds.
Like Google isn't doing the same thing. They announce years in advance and do nothing but cherry pick profitable areas. How many actual subscribers are in Google's territory?
Google just has a few demo locations - parts of Kansas City, and parts of Provo, Utah. That's all. They're talking about other cities, but it's just talk. All they've done are a few places where it was easy.
That $2000 number was as of 2006. It's 2014 now.
of what they're saying.. being a public company under scrutiny from sec and all...
Remember when they were going to put a video phone in every house?... this was in the early nineties. They had this big push about the future... how local bar's jukebox would have every song EVER.
Well, it happened. But it happened in spite of them not with their help. They didn't bring it to us.
But they keep pretending like that's what they do... when they don't.
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Like Google isn't doing the same thing. They announce years in advance and do nothing but cherry pick profitable areas. How many actual subscribers are in Google's territory?
Sorry, but I live in the hood and have google fiber, and my friends live in an even worse area (near 37th and Prospect) and also have google fiber. They aren't just cherry picking the nice areas.
AT&T sucks. I hope everyone there that makes more than 1,000,000/year contracts Gonorrhea, dies and goes to Hell. Laces out...
I live in Austin and can order "Giga" power currently with a current top speed of 300/300. Its been available in my neighborhood, a recent development in an established area, for a few months, but I haven't ordered. They have a 1TB download cap per month and in the $70.00 variant, they are using deep packet inspection in order to send targeted ads towards you. They have a more expensive option, $99.00 a month + install, where they don't examine your packets, but they have already lost me. I am sure Google will also utilize deep packet inspection and for some reason, I trust them more. I have TWC currently with a 50/5 plan that is supposed to be upgraded this summer with no additional costs. They haven't announced speeds yet but Im guessing they are going to be close in nature. Good to see competition working in the ATX.
He said that no one would install new services in a neighborhood that required digging up buried wires. My whole neighborhood has underground utilities, so he suggested that we pay to have fiber installed in our neighborhood and work a deal out with ATT. I don't think we will be getting it any time soon. However, because of Google and ATT here in Austin, TWC has announced (but not yet delivered) 300Mbps service, so competition does seem to be working.
I know someone that recently moved to Austin. On the side of their house is a little box that says "AT&T Fiber". When they called AT&T to ask about internet service: "I'm sorry, we don't have service in your area".
I guess it could be fast if they knew where there infrastructure was in the first place...
My ISP is Federated Telephone. Small little rural cooperative in Chokio (pop. 400) & Morris (pop. 5,000), MN. They had 100% FTTP rollout to Chokio back in 2009, and they're finishing their rollout here in Morris. They're now working on Appleton, MN.
If they can do it, anyone can. You just have to stop putting profits before customers. And as the parent poster indicated, they also did it with a disproportionate amount of tax dollars going to mega-corporations that only support urban development. Encourage your local congressman to also support fiber rollout in Rural America. Your schools, libraries, and civil leaders will thank you.
So what if they got fiber to everyone, everywhere? They would still be a nightmare to deal with. Business class is a joke; slow speeds, charging the customer for an onsite visit to fix AT&T problems (assuming they don't just tell you to fix it yourself), about a dozen different phone numbers to pick from and a truly epic automated phone-tree when trying to get support, etc. Home service isn't much better. I had U-verse a couple of years ago when they first rolled it out to my neighborhood. 24mb down, 3mb up. Worked pretty well, except with streaming services. I eventually went back to the cable company (faster and cheaper). Last week, some AT&T sales reps knocked on my door, claiming they had just added new connection to my neighborhood. I asked, "U-verse?" They said yes. I told them I had that a couple of years ago and they looked totally stumped. They were not even aware that U-verse was already well established and that half of my complex already used it. Just for fun, I checked the website to see what upgrades they may have made. LOL, now the max U-verse speed in my neighborhood is *slower* than what I had previously. AT&T can promise whatever they want, but until I can see it, I will absolutely not believe it.
You've linked to a poor source that gets its data from even worse sources.
AT&T is only worth $189 billion as of today. So what did they do with that $200 billion they supposedly got? Set it on fire? I dislike AT&T as much as the next guy, but let not create flat out lies.
AT&T was given billions of dollars to deliver broadband based on at least one leg of fiber to at least one home in each census tract in the subsidized area.
My census tract has ONE subdivision where AT&T vDSL is available (DSL from a fiber-fed, single-shelf, 4-card VRAD hosting 192 homes), yet AT&T is legally allowed to shade in the entire census tract (over 2000 homes) on the map and tell government that "this census tract has fiber coverage per our agreement."
The only reason 192 homes have access is because that maximizes revenue for the smallest VRAD they install on the lowest-provision fiber feed.
Color me shocked.
Google doesn't need tax breaks, they just need municipalities to cut through the red tape that has the habit of ending up in brown paper bags full of cash to regulators. The big telecoms need those tax breaks to fill brown paper bags full of cash that are sent right back to the army of "consultants" that grease the wheels of government and of politicians.
That's the only modern source of fiber I get....
It's all about AT&T teasing communities with gigabit to the premises, in order to get rapid approvals for running fibre that only helps along the backbone. Gigabit to the premises may never happen.
Sounds like the way they responded to Verizon. When Verizon started bragging about their 3G coverage, AT&T started running commercials showing their own 2G coverage.
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Why should we have to be paid to be spied on? The Gov is going to spy on us, give us free access. Someday we will all be required to carry Stalin's Dream (cell phones - for our own protection) and we will be required to pay for that also.
I remember reading in _Big Blues_ how IBM mainframes were throttled when first installed. That way, a tech could be sent into the locked room with the golden screwdriver and magically upgrade things to incredible speed. The customers didn't know that they had been using hobbled systems and were happily impressed that the thing was now so much faster. Sounds like the same trick AT&T is trying to pull.
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The market cap of the company is $189B. That's the stock price times number of outstanding shares (not considering fully diluted share count). It is not related to income or cash+assets on hand. The stock price is a reflection of those items by the market, but is not directly related.
The $200B figure was treated on the balance sheet over time as income or some other accounting item which you'll need to analyze the 10-K to find out for each year. Those dollars were then saved or paid out as dividends to shareholders, corporate expenses, etc. Whatever was most advantageous taxwise and needed for capex, etc.
So the point is that the $200B figure is not directly related to the market cap as you proposed, although funds may have viewed that free money as a positive when analyzing whether to buy the stock.
While AT&T isn't pushing to run fiber to your home, they ARE pushing damned hard to get fiber to the businesses. Very, very hard. In fact, a huge chunk of money is being thrown at this project to have 10,000 plus sites access to Gigabit eth speeds. ( Officially it's known as Project VelocityIP ) Emphasis on BUSINESSES, not consumers.
ALL companies offering bandwidth will always be selective in what markets they deploy into. It isn't profitable to run fiber to neighborhoods where the majority of those living there will never pay for the service being offered. Akin to not seeing very many Ferrari dealerships in blue collar neighborhoods. The customer base just isn't there.
Initially, they will all concentrate on those areas where they can get the biggest bang for their buck.
I'm pretty sure I would decline the service ( even if offered for free ) if it came with the deep packet inspection stipulations intact for targeted advertising.
No, but the AT&T execs have their high cost, high speed sports cars. That's almost the same thing, right?
What pisses me most about AT&T U-verse is that they do have FTTU (fibre-to-the-user) / FTTP, but they limit FTTP users to speeds that are lower than what they offer through VDSL through FTTN.
I used to live in San Jose, CA in 2010/2012, in a brand new apartment complex, had AT&T U-verse fibre strand terminated in my bedroom closet with an ONT. The line was FTTP-BPON (622/155 1:32), e.g. 622Mbps down / 155Mbps up, shared with at most 32 users, I checked with the manufacturer of my particular ONT.
But AT&T would only provision me with 18/1.5. They'd offer 24/3 to VDSL users only, supposedly too lazy to update the fibre profiles to offer it to the fibre customers. I researched it, and it was not unique to my building or to California, they were doing it all across the country with every single BPON build. My T-Mobile HSPA+ had higher upload speeds than 1.5Mbps on my top-of-the-line AT&T FTTU through BPON.
Keep in mind that the 622/155 line can only be shared with at most 32 users, and some wouldn't even want the top-of-the-line plans, either, or would not have active service in the first place, so, they're basically wasting their own capacity, and refusing an extra 10$/mo from me. Ping time was sometimes about 3ms to some locations within the Bay Area, but the 1.5Mbps bandwidth was pretty pathetic for a BPON fibre line.
I was so pissed I started a whole web-site dedicated to showing how uncompetitive AT&T internet offerings are compared to the options elsewhere in the country -- http://bmap.su/. So happy Google Fiber has finally been announced for San Jose, CA and lots of other markets now! I'm willing to be it'll be some other provider that'll offer broadband to my past place before AT&T will get to their senses and starts using at least the BPON infrastructure that they already have in place.
That $2000 number was as of 2006. It's 2014 now.
Then AT&T should have acted in 2006 instead of waiting this long. They are perfectly capable to make a sound business decision to lose money.
Who modded this crap up? Revenue obviously isn't the same as market capitalization. Dumbass.
Wait until you catch up to the top level research universities of the world.
Three 100 Gigabit/sec ports, and 40 Gigabit/sec campus-wide.
Mind you, not everyone can use that kind of power.
It's like an announcement that you guys have brand new shiny Vespas with 2nd gear and we're supersonic with fat pipes.
(mind you, Vespas are really cool)
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Not yet. But my town is planning to do it itself. Gig up, gig down. Like Chattanooga.
Why can't AT&T just buy Google?
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I just got an email from AT&T letting me know my 6 Meg DSL is going up $3.00 a month starting in June. Here's their email message (with annotations):
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Dear AT&T High Speed Internet Customer,
We're writing to let you know about a change in price for your AT&T High Speed Internet service. In an effort to continue providing you with the high level of quality, service, and features you've come to expect from AT&T, starting with your June 2014 bill1, the monthly rate for your AT&T High Speed Internet FastAccess® DSL Xtreme 6.0 plan2 will increase from $46.00 to $49.00 per month.3
This change will be automatic. There will be no interruption to your Internet service because of this change, and you will continue to enjoy the same great features, including:
Up to 11 email accounts with virtually UNLIMITED storage space
Personalized Home Page
Instant Messaging
Parental Controls
Security tools including the AT&T Internet Security Suite with Anti-Spyware,
Anti-Virus, and Firewall protection (available free to select speeds)4
Plus, don't forget that access to the entire national AT&T Wi-Fi Hot Spot network is included in your AT&T High Speed Internet plan, so you can stay connected on the go!
And we're always making improvements to offer you even more value, more speed, and more ways to stay connected.
For more details on these changes, please go to att.com/sedslupdate. Or, if you have any questions, please call us at 866.417.6819.
From all of us at AT&T, thank you for your business. We are dedicated to making your Internet experience the best it can be.
Sincerely,
Your AT&T High Speed Internet Customer Care Team
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1The amount billed may include prorated charges. Prorated charges occur when your monthly recurring rate is increased during your billing cycle. This means you may be charged for a portion of the month at your current rate and the remainder of the month at your new rate.
2If you are on a current high speed Internet pricing promotion, the promotional benefit will continue until the applicable promotion ends or expires.
3For most customers, price change will be reflected in their first billing period following the automatic price change on June 1, 2014.
4AT&T Internet Security Suite powered by McAfee available at no charge to customers who purchase AT&T High Speed Internet services with downstream speeds of up to 3.0 Mbps or higher. For AT&T High Speed Internet customers who have a service with a maximum downstream speed of up to 1.5 Mbps or lower, the AT&T Internet Security Suite is an optional service for only $5 per month. McAfee and/or other noted McAfee related products contained herein are registered trademarks or trademarks of McAfee, Inc., and/or its affiliates in the US and/or other countries. McAfee Red in connection with security is distinctive of McAfee brand products. Any other non-McAfee related products, registered and/or unregistered trademarks contained herein is only by reference and are the sole property of their respective owners. © 2014 McAfee, Inc. All rights reserved.
I'm not so sure that it's that AT&T doesn't know the fiber is there. They just do not offer fiber services currently. It's the same story here in Kansas City. I can see plenty of orange fiber markers along some of the major streets, but the service is not offered.
It's quite possible that AT&T is going to roll out fiber service, and it won't cost much: in some areas, they merely have to switch on the lines already in place.
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Gigabit Tor nodes? Yes, please.
VPN's are ok for casual surfing but even at a few megabits they have burps and hiccups. You need some pretty serious provisioning to proxy a gigabit connection for long periods.
AT&T is only worth $189 billion as of today. So what did they do with that $200 billion they supposedly got?
The "AT&T" whose stock you are looking at now didn't exist in the same form when these subsidies were handed out. SBC and the other bells used the savings from those billions in tax subsidies starting in the 90's and went on an acquisition spree, culminating in AT&T and SBC's merger in 2005.
TL;DR: they gave it to shareholders of Pacific Telesis, Ameritech, New England Telecom, TCI, MediaOne, and themselves.
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