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ARIN Is Down To the Last /8 of IPv4 Addresses

An anonymous reader writes "On 3 February 2011, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) issued the remaining five /8 address blocks, each containing 16.7 million addresses, in the global free pool equally to the five RIRs, and as such ARIN is no longer able to receive additional IPv4 resources from the IANA. After yesterday's large allocation (104.64.0.0/10) to Akamai, the address pool remaining to be assigned by ARIN is now down to the last /8. This triggers stricter allocation rules and marks the end of general availability of new IPv4 addresses in North America. ARIN thus follows the RIRs of Asia, Europe and South America into the final phase of IPv4 depletion."

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  1. About time! by drew_92123 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They've been talking about this day for what seems like an eternity... Finally, we can start complaining about something else!

    1. Re:About time! by Anrego · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nah.

      ISPs will just use more carrier grade NAT to free up IPs, maybe charge a little extra if you want your own IP outside of NAT to run game servers or skype or whatever (a relatively small group). Should hold of IPv6 for another 10 years or so.

    2. Re:About time! by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And hopefully more large companies and organizations that hold large blocks of public IP addresses will start moving to private IP addresses and release the public IP addresses for use by others. I know some places that have large numbers of systems with public IP addresses that are behind firewalls and really have no business having a public IP address on those systems anymore.

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    3. Re:About time! by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Yes, there's profit in scarcity. CGN/CGNAT also has a nice effect in breaking P2P which frees up the bandwidth they've been long seeking anyways. For them, IPv4 is a win-win-win all around.

      With regards to IPv6, I expect mobile phones to adopt it this standard more rapidly than your standard PC/Server market for home and business use. With the exception of IPv6 facing web servers of course.

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    4. Re:About time! by Gerald · · Score: 2

      Depends on the ISP. You could create a Homeric epic from the things that Comcast does wrong but they seem to be doing a great job with their v6 deployment. T-Mobile is doing a pretty good job too.

    5. Re:About time! by mikael_j · · Score: 5, Informative

      That would have about as much effect as pissing into the ocean would have on raising sea levels.

      We need to move to IPv6 and if you're not prepared then yes, it will cost you more than if you had a bit of foresight and didn't keep buying IPv4-only software and hardware right up till the very end.

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    6. Re:About time! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I don't understand that at all. If you're going to just have public-facing IP addresses, why not go to IPv6?

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    7. Re:About time! by jbolden · · Score: 2

      No they won't do that. Carriers have been pretty clear they aren't implementing carrier grade NAT and supporting it. ARIN has been hostile to them making use of carrier grade NAT. It isn't happening.

    8. Re:About time! by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      "Without looking"

      Clearly, if I do not know how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together I should only eat raw meat.

    9. Re:About time! by HappyPsycho · · Score: 2

      Quicker than what? IPv6 is at least a decade old, we've had time to switch and refused to do so.

      If you believe the week to month we get from reclaiming these blocks will have any reasonable effect on the global pace of allocations you are more than a little delusional.

    10. Re:About time! by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Without looking, what is the IP address of slashdot? Oh, you don't care because there is DNS?

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    11. Re:About time! by stderr_dk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Without looking, what is your static IPv6 address? ;)

      ::1/128

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    12. Re:About time! by HappyPsycho · · Score: 2

      Because if you are "Public-facing" you need to be able to speak to the maximum number of users for your service to stand a chance of being successful. To do that if you have to you need to choose the more common "language", right now that is still IPv4. You can argue the technical merits of going full IPv6 all you want (I have more than I care to admit), but at the end of the day if your product doesn't make money you will be out of business long before IPv4 vs IPv6 becomes a serious problem.

      Sadly, Content providers pretty much have to be bi-lingual until IPv4 dies, so do the ISPs (at least at their core, where their IPv4 and IPv6 customers mix, unless they have the enviable state of a full IPv6 customer base or current state of a full IPv4 customer base). The only ones that get to just move and have few repuccusions are the end users.

      Until IPv4 runs out and IPv6 is forced on end users by ISPs (on whom it will be forced by having no more IPv4 to give) will this dynamic change and then the content providers will respond by speaking the language the majority of their users are speaking (requiring less translators).

    13. Re:About time! by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Urgh, carrier grade NAT is the last thing the Internet needs.

      What's the point of the Internet if there is no end-to-end connectivity?

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    14. Re:About time! by suutar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      if anyone back then had seen this coming that clearly, they'd have just used 64 bits to start with and we'd be fine for the next thousand years.

    15. Re:About time! by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No one really imagined in the 70s that there would be a need for more IP addresses than people.

    16. Re:About time! by WillerZ · · Score: 2

      +1, accurate.

      One of my peeves with IPv6 is that in v4 I had over 16 million legal loopback addresses out of only 4 billion addresses; now in v6 I have exactly one out of a much larger pool. It is not often useful, but it isn't always useless to use more than one of the loopback addresses on a host.

      I would have preferred loopback to be a /64 rather than a /128 in IPv6: it's not like the address-space is too small to afford it.

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    17. Re:About time! by Cyberdyne · · Score: 2

      Others such as Eli Lily or the UK Gov Dept of Pensions really don't need so many addresses

      Someone in the UK government pointed that out recently - it turns out that "Dept of Pensions" allocation is actually used across most of the government as some sort of VPN extranet with various external contractors. Apparently, since they all use different RFC1918 blocks internally, they can't all be VPNed into any single RFC1918 block: they needed a globally-unique block for that purpose.

      British Telecom uses the 30.0.0.0/8 block for managing all their customer modems - that block is actually allocated to the US DoD, but they don't allow external access to it anyway, so there's nothing to stop you using that block internally yourself as long as you don't need to communicate with any other networks using the same trick. Better than wasting an entire /8 of global address space just for internal administrative systems - or a /9, like Comcast grabbed back in 2010.

      My inner geek - who cares about efficiency - would love to see all the legacy blocks revoked. I'm sure the DoD could use 10/8 instead of 30/8 quite easily for their non-routed block; the universities could easily fit in a /16 instead of a /8, or smaller with a bit of NAT. Still, we should be moving to IPv6 instead now: give each university and ISP a /48, or /32 for big complex networks needing multiple layers. I just have a nasty feeling we're in for a long time of CGNAT spreading instead - where we currently have ISPs that don't offer static IP addresses, in a few years they'll be refusing to issue anything other than a NATted 100.64/16 address.

    18. Re: About time! by vadim_t · · Score: 2

      Why would they release anything? The more time passes, the more they are worth. They have all the incentive to sit on them as long as possible, and only sell for $$$. If they can't resell, still no reason to release, where would they get more afterwards if they need them?

    19. Re:About time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would have about as much effect as pissing into the ocean would have on raising sea levels.

      But then Portland would throw out the Pacific Ocean.

    20. Re:About time! by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Client nodes reach the public internet just fine using NAT.

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    21. Re:About time! by mysidia · · Score: 2

      they'll be refusing to issue anything other than a NATted 100.64/16 address.

      "Super-Enhanced Xbox/PS3 Plan: For an extra $75 a month, you can get a unique dynamic public IP address. Play games online with your network connection!"

  2. And yet Akamai deserves a /10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pretty outrageous that the whole of North America has to go on a diet earlier because Akamai somehow needs a whole fucking /10.

    ARIN's behavior has made it clear: you can get all the IPs you want as long as you're a big guy paying big fees. But a small company asking for a /22? Go away, small businesses don't deserve to be able to do business.

    1. Re:And yet Akamai deserves a /10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RIR's general policy is if you can prove you require it, you can have it. Akamai clearly have the documentation to prove that they will burn through an entire /10 within a reasonable time frame (It was 3 months at the end in the RIPE region. I'm unsure about ARIN).

      Akamai are huge. They claim to provide 15-30% of all web traffic (http://www.akamai.com/html/about/facts_figures.html). Stands to reason that they will likely utilise that all fairly quickly.

      As for a company being unable to get a /22? Again, I'm not in the ARIN region, but I'm fairly confident if you can prove you are multi-homed - no problem. You can read their allocation policies here: https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/ipv4.html#multihomed

    2. Re:And yet Akamai deserves a /10 by PRMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Akamai is one of the few companies in the US that is actually using a large allocation they were given. They're the LAST ones you should be complaining about.

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    3. Re:And yet Akamai deserves a /10 by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2

      SNI is universal, unless you're running Windows XP

      That's a pretty huge unless!

  3. Sigh by koan · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's no place like ::1

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  4. Wasn't allocation always the problem? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Years back, my boss got a whole class C for a company with ~5 employees and network footprint nothing more than one website. Maybe they can get some of the corporations with class As to give some back? (yeah yeah I know)

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    1. Re:Wasn't allocation always the problem? by afidel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nope, it takes longer for existing tenants to vacate space than it has been for ARIN to allocate new addresses (ie it would take MIT 5 years to re-engineer their network to free up say half of their allocation, but at the rate we've been using new addresses that space would last less than 10 days, so why should an organization put in 5 years of work to help with 10 days of usage?) so the solution is IPv6.

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    2. Re:Wasn't allocation always the problem? by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was going to post the same thing.

      If they raise the cost of blocks of addresses sufficiently, many orgs will relinquish their under-utilized addresses and get a smaller block.

      And what? We'll buy ourselves another couple of years, at the most? Just fix the problem now and we don't have to worry about this anymore.

    3. Re:Wasn't allocation always the problem? by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      People are greedy, even with something as seemingly simple as reclaiming unneeded addresses.

      So why not use the greed to your advantage? Charge $10/ip and see how quickly they give back the ones they aren't using.
      ARIN could do the same thing. If ARIN charged just $1/ip per month you would see a huge influx of returning ips.

    4. Re:Wasn't allocation always the problem? by medv4380 · · Score: 3, Funny

      IPv6 is the re-engineer the network solution.

    5. Re:Wasn't allocation always the problem? by Unknown+Lamer · · Score: 2

      If MIT had to give up some of their IPv4 addresses, maybe we'd get IPv6 openafs this century ;)

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    6. Re:Wasn't allocation always the problem? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      It might be possible for HP, Apple, or Xerox to move things around that quickly but I doubt a University could get that done at any priority.

      I know people who work on university networks. They face the most bizare requirements. At Michigan for instance essentially any two ports anywhere on the entire campus have to be able to be made layer 2 adjacent upon request.

      Big research universities like MIT have odd problems like academics doing "network research" collaborating with different colleges withing the university, large portions of the network managed by academic teams rather than the "Network Engineers" to many cooks in their kitchens.

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  5. Re:Phase Four!?!? Oh noes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've got a whole block of IPv6 addresses available, cheap... act now, before the rush!

  6. A useful case study because it's not catastrophic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The IPv4 address exhaustion is a useful case study in human behavior in response to resource exhaustion.

    http://www.albartlett.org/presentations/arithmetic_population_energy_transcript_english.html

    Relevant quote: "Remember our conclusion from the cartoon of one person per square meter; we concluded that zero population growth is going to happen. Let’s state that conclusion in other terms and say it’s obvious nature is going to choose from the right hand list and we don't have to do anything—except be prepared to live with whatever nature chooses from that right hand list. Or we can exercise the one option that’s open to us, and that option is to choose first from the right hand list. We gotta find something here we can go out and campaign for. Anyone here for promoting disease? (audience laughter)"

    In this case, fortunately, it's extremely unlikely that violence and death will occur as a result of this specific resource exhaustion, but the study of human behavior in response to the resource shortage is telling.

    We've been aware for years that zero IPv4 address availability is going to happen. It's absolutely certain. The only way to make it not happen, or not *care* that it happens, is to do something about the problem. But of course, even for such a technically manageable problem, humanity on the whole chooses to do nothing. The exact same thing will happen for fossil fuel exhaustion, arable land exhaustion, etc.

    And now nature will choose for us from the right-hand list of IPv4 exhaustion: here comes corporate greed, lawsuits, slow and inconvenient CGNs (one bad actor in your ISP's network causes you to be banned from the services you use), etc.

    Humans are hard-wired to be reactionary, not proactive -- and at that, only reactionary to immediate problems. "Oh, I can't get a new IPv4 address. What do I do?" or "Oh, I can get a new IPv4 address, but it's too expensive. What do I do?" -- These are the kinds of things we will start thinking about, and making people start to care. NOT "Oh, we better deal with this problem that is likely to happen in 5 years."

    As flawed as we are, it's probably a good thing that we won't survive long enough to leave our solar system and populate the cosmos. We don't deserve it. We're just too *dumb* as a species.

  7. It didn't matter whether it was last year or next by gjh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It didn't matter whether it was last year or next...IP usage was accelerating into the wall anyway. The GOOD part about this is that now the US is out of addresses certain parts of the Internet industry are more likely to take IPv6 seriously.

    Sadly, ISPs in other parts of the world have proven adept at further avoiding the problem by downgrading consumer connections to carrier-grade NAT, so we have another 5 years of eking out of old order before people REALLY have to take notice.

  8. Re:1/8 and 240/8-255/8 by compro01 · · Score: 2

    Great. Wave your wand, fix every piece of internet infrastructure that regards those reserved addresses as unroutable, and we can put off exhaustion for about 9 months, at best.

    Anything you do to IPv4 is nothing but a short-term stop gap. The address space is simply too small for the modern internet.

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  9. Re:1/8 and 240/8-255/8 by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    285 million addresses reserved for no compelling reason. sure, let's push onwards to ipv6, but saying "our hands are tied" when over 1/16th of the entire space is still available is a bit irritating.

    Would you want to be the guy who pokes every existing and legacy system that makes stupid and/or dangerous assumptions about reserved blocks being reserved permanently? You'd hope that that wouldn't be an issue; but finding out could be exciting indeed.

  10. We are not anywhere near running out of addresses. by ErikTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're running out of free ones. And like any freely available resource, they've been squandered. Once the free supply is exhausted, they'll simply no longer be free - meaning that actual incentive will exist to conserve them and organizations will have incentive to sell unneeded blocks. Economics 101, people.

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  11. Re:It didn't matter whether it was last year or ne by badfish99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now that addresses have run out, they have become a valuable resource for the ISPs that own them. If those ISPs implement IPv6 then there will be no shortage of addresses, and they will lose all their value.

    So the monopolist ISPs will now do everything in their power to prevent IPv6 from being adopted.

  12. Re:Phase Four!?!? Oh noes by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

    Finally, Xerox will have a revenue increase?

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  13. Re:We are not anywhere near running out of address by Anrego · · Score: 2

    I doubt the organizations with those large blocks will sell them unless they become very expensive (which I don't think will happen for a long time). The costs of restructuring the network for a lot of these companies would far outweigh the gains.

    What I see as far more likely is ISPs implementing carrier grade NAT as the default, and potentially charging a small fee for those who need a unique IP. The vast majority of users won't care, and as long as getting an IP if you run a game server or use skype or whatever is an easy process, it's actually not a bad solution. I figure we've got 10 years or so before we actually see IPv6 really take off.

  14. Re:We are not anywhere near running out of address by pr0nbot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly we should have invested years ago in finding renewable sources of IP addresses...

  15. Re:We are not anywhere near running out of address by Kurast · · Score: 2

    Because there is a very high one-time-only cost involved in switching to ipv6, compared to a small running continuous cost of continuing in ipv4, and for now, it is advantageous to become in ipv4. No one wants to be the one to switch first.

    Just think of all sort of problems large ISPs will have to deal in terms of support if they switch to ipv6, in terms of phone service, visits, substitution of cable modems, support for old machines running none/bogus ipv6 implementation.

    Just think of all the programs coded years ago, with ipv4 hardwired in (I know 4to6, but your client does not).

    Not easy as flick a switch.

  16. So let's finally move on by dkman · · Score: 2

    So let's finally move on to IPv6. ISPs, I'm looking at you.

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  17. Re:It didn't matter whether it was last year or ne by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

    Most of the ISPs I've dealt with here in Canada do not offer routable IPv6 allocations to users. They certainly don't readily offer static ones for business use like they do with IPv4.

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  18. And yet... by Dahan · · Score: 2
    Obligatory comment on Slashdot articles about IPv4 exhaustion or IPv6:

    $ host -t aaaa slashdot.org
    slashdot.org has no AAAA record

  19. Re:We are not anywhere near running out of address by Dagger2 · · Score: 2

    Except this still won't fix the fact that v4 is simply too small.

  20. Re:We are not anywhere near running out of address by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here at DHCP, we're committed to providing only renewable and conflict-free IPs.

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  21. Re:Phase Four!?!? Oh noes by MrNemesis · · Score: 2

    Hmmm... sounds like there's a market for selling hardware to mine IPv6 addresses. Just need to set up some sort of exchange...

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  22. 4G mobile should have been IPv6 only by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Newer mobile phones should have been IPv6 from the beginning. China mandated that years ago. T-Mobile is IPv6. (You can supposedly open up an end to end IPv6 connection between two T-Mobile phones). It's suprising that the cellular phone companies didn't fix this, since they have control of both network and handset.

  23. Re:1/8 and 240/8-255/8 by compro01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Addresses were being allocated at a rate of about 2 /8s per month just before IANA's pool was depleted back in 2011.

    If a new range of addresses became available, then, barring a policy shift, I would expect them to go at a similar rate, if not faster.

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  24. Re:We are not anywhere near running out of address by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    Because there is a very high one-time-only cost involved in switching to ipv6, compared to a small running continuous cost of continuing in ipv4, and for now, it is advantageous to become in ipv4. No one wants to be the one to switch first.

    Nobody is switching to IPv6 they are *adding* IPv6. IPv4 is not being turned off by anyone well into the foreseeable future.

    Most large content providers are already offering service via IPv6 and millions already have IPv6 access via their ISPs.

    Just think of all sort of problems large ISPs will have to deal in terms of support if they switch to ipv6, in terms of phone service, visits, substitution of cable modems, support for old machines running none/bogus ipv6 implementation

    The migration to IPv6 takes a while and does not involve turning off IPv4 anytime soon. There is no need to rush to replace gear. It will eventually break or become obsolete in the next few years anyway.

    Not easy as flick a switch.

    For most consumers it will be easier than a flick of a switch. They get it without having to expend any effort at all or ever even knowing they have it. This happens either immediately or after their old router or CE has broken and gets replaced.